Madeleine McCann found?

[Donjeta]

Hey I didn't make the distinction

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I did not say you did, did I?

 

[chlban]

gord;9902419]

I have no idea

Both authorities chose not to prosecute = its done

to me it is trying to prosecute Hitler of tax evasion

Hitler's in this now? Wow, you know what that means right?

The big picture is what happened to Maddie - I always find it strange that people who believe the parents are involved in murder/ disposal are worried about the babysitting arrangements

I find it amazing that you think it's strange. If they drugged their children so they would sleep instead of keeping the neighbors up again, it's relevent. If Maddie died in an accident, and they covered it up, it's still relevent. If she was abducted, it's relevent.

Whatever happened to that child happened because her parents were not there to protect her. They were busy out eating, drinking, and partying with their friends while whatever happened to her happened.

I would love to believe they do, at the very least, feel horrible guilt. However I don't believe that self absorbed narcissists who have chased both fame and fortune on their dead daughters memory feel a whole lot of guilt.
But that's just my opinion.

 

[Jmoose]

I have no idea

Both authorities chose not to prosecute = its done

to me it is trying to prosecute Hitler of tax evasion

The big picture is what happened to Maddie - I always find it strange that people who believe the parents are involved in murder/ disposal are worried about the babysitting arrangements

we have people here who think that it was a pre planned plot to " loose her " yet still go about the child care

Some of the people (like me) who go on about the babysitting arrangements, are not wedded to the "the McCanns killed their daughter" theory. I just think they are bad parents, and bad stuff happens more frequently to the children of bad parents-that's just the way it works.

 

[Cappuccino]

Quit with the "Europeans leave their kids outside" justification, please!!!!

The McCanns are British not European.

:banghead:

British people are European.

 

[gord]

I don't think that the leap people are making is that because they (the McCanns) were willing to leave their chidren alone without a sitter, they are also likely to be killers. The leap, if it is one, is that they are, at the very best, irresponsible parents who are now pointing their irresponsible fingers at some ambiguous intruder, who got into their unlocked, ground floor, unattended villa.

I understand what your are saying

but surely the wrath and pointing must be against the person who took maddy ?? It is now 6 years on and people are trying to find out what happened . That is what we surely must debate and move on with. ? This argument about the neglect has being going on since the case started - whats the point any more - we all agree it was not a wise decision

 

[Cappuccino]

I've gotten more into trying to understand this case just lately. Learned many interesting facts, thanks to all your posts. Watching the BBC1 Crimewatch video, and have so many questions.

Why was the door to the children's room mentioned by both parents as being open quite a bit?

Why didn't the door slam shut before Kate was there?
I don't understand something about this door story!
Wouldn't the wind shut the door so forcefully before Kate got there?
That's when Kate noticed the window open, not when she was standing there listening to the quiet.

I'm off to look at the grounds and floor plan.

Not necessarily. This is early May in Portugal, so I doubt it was a very windy night. Its quite possible that a draft blew the door shut at that moment even if the night was generally calm.

 

[gord]

Some of the people (like me) who go on about the babysitting arrangements, are not wedded to the "the McCanns killed their daughter" theory. I just think they are bad parents, and bad stuff happens more frequently to the children of bad parents-that's just the way it works.

ok they are bad parents - now what ? are we any closer to finding out what happened

 

[SapphireSteel]

British people are European.

No, they are not.

Europe is a continent, and the UK is an island.

Ask a Frenchman how "European" he considers folks from Rothley, Lancashire. He'll set you straight.

It is not, nor has it ever been, a British tradition to leave your children unattended while you go out to party. No matter what they do in Iceland or other parts of the Arctic Circle.

 

[Cappuccino]

No, they are not.

Europe is a continent, and the UK is an island.

Ask a Frenchman how "European" he considers folks from Rothley, Lancashire. He'll set you straight.

It is not, nor has it ever been, a British tradition to leave your children unattended while you go out to party. No matter what they do in Iceland or other parts of the Arctic Circle.

Britain is part of the European continent. (Hint - continents can include islands, see Tasmania, Hawaii and Madagascar).

 

[SapphireSteel]

ok they are bad parents - now what ? are we any closer to finding out what happened

Yes.

We know that the guy seen at 10 had Madeleine.

We know that the guy seen at 10 was identified as Gerry.

We know this sighting (and presumably, identification) is now "being taken seriously".

We now have identikits of a brown haired guy who looks like Gerry.

All of the above is official, and new information.

I'd say they're a lot closer, personally. :seeya:

 

[Jmoose]

I understand what your are saying

but surely the wrath and pointing must be against the person who took maddy ?? It is now 6 years on and people are trying to find out what happened . That is what we surely must debate and move on with. ? This argument about the neglect has being going on since the case started - whats the point any more - we all agree it was not a wise decision

Because, for me at least, it's not a certainty that she was abducted. There really hasn't been a proper and full investigation yet. It's partly because the "crime scene" was contaminated by all of the people who were in and out of the McCann's villa before the police, it's partly because the McCanns have not appeared to fully cooperate (I personally would have carefully considered how and with what I cooperated, too), partly that Jane Tanner's identification of a guy holding a child morphed drastically over time, etc. It really isn't so clear-cut that an intruder stole her. I happen to think that someone very well could have, but think it only could have happened because the McCanns practiced poor parenting-it is a significant factor.

 

[blefuscu]

Britain is part of the European continent. (Hint - continents can include islands, see Tasmania, Hawaii and Madagascar).

Have you ever asked a British person if they count themselves as European?

 

[Cappuccino]

Have you ever asked a British person if they count themselves as European?

Yes, I spent half my childhood there actually. Plenty of them do, especially those acquainted with that subject called Geography.

 

[Donjeta]

Continent has many definitions, and only the narrowest definition excludes islands. (a large continuous landmass that is separated from others by expanses of water)
Continent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If, however, we're using the narrowest definition, then Europe is not a continent as it is not surrounded by a coastline all the way through, it runs seamlessly into Asia and Africa.

 

[LinasK]

This is what most brit parents do me included. Why they chose to dine as they did has been debated for ever.

It does not though make them murderers or involved in her disposal. To equate the two is just not logical or correct.

Why they chose to dine alone makes them criminally negligent. What evidence makes them murderers is that they were the last people to see Maddie alive- often LE starts with the closest family and works their way out- and the cadaver dogs detected scent in their apartment and their car. Many people have been convicted on far less evidence. I personally think they od'd Maddie on some type of sleeping medication and that it wasn't planned, then they had to dispose of her.

 

[blefuscu]

Yes, I spent half my childhood there actually. Plenty of them do, especially those acquainted with that subject called Geography.

There's no need to take that tone. If you have spoken to Scottish or Welsh people a lot of those don't count themselves as British never mind European, so don't start telling a British person that we count ourselves as European as I can tell tho straight away that the majority don't!

 

[neesaki]

"dine" - there's that word again like they were something out of Downton Abbey. Downtown, more like. ullhair:

The McCanns didn't "dine", if they did they would be across and back within the hour.

The McCanns went on a drinking session with their boozy mates, night after night, without their kids. It was a Tapas Bar, tapas are light meals that the Spanish serve as bar snacks.

Certainly not fine dining by any stretch of the imagination.


:sick:

First, I am in no way presuming to know what happened to Madeleine. That said, the thought has crossed my mind, here we have two highly educated people, physicians, who know all about taking precautions and how to protect and care for their small children. So it is somewhat of a red flag as to why they chose not to use the Nanny service there? Was it that they felt too safe, or because something had already happened to Madeleine? Possibly a convenient part of a cover up?
Just more thoughts, :moo:

 

[Cherwell]

I can't swear for mainland Europe but leaving babies in prams/pushchairs in the UK outside shops would get you arrested.

Up to about forty years ago that was normal practice. After a number of cases of babies being snatched, people stopped doing it. As far as I recall (I was a child myself at the time) these were mostly cases of disturbed women taking the babies, women who had lost their own babies.

Have you ever asked a British person if they count themselves as European?

I'm British and I certainly consider myself European. But there are many different peoples in Europe, a Scandinavian is different from a Latin who is different from a Slav .....

 

[Cappuccino]

There's no need to take that tone. If you have spoken to Scottish or Welsh people a lot of those don't count themselves as British never mind European, so don't start telling a British person that we count ourselves as European as I can tell tho straight away that the majority don't!

Then the majority are in denial. I don't believe that though, in reality I doubt even Nigel Farage would try and claim that Britain is not part of the European continent geographically, regardless of what he believes about politics.

 

[ziggy]

First, the restaurant is on the other side of the pool from the room. Perhaps they had a false sense of security. It would not be the first time people who are a bit better off than the average folks don't have the same fears we do. I know a Harvard grad who has as much common sense as I do in my pinkie fingernail - he leaves his wallet in his car - he never locks the house outside Boston etc. So don't be so quick to jump all over them. Hindsight is 20/20.

I think Wendy Murphy is over the line and her stance on the Ramseys has been the same. When people don't answer questions by the authority it doesn't mean they are guilty. There is a reason we don't allow such evidence in a court of law...it is not reliable. Got it? It's not reliable - it's all speculation.

Kids are taken. There are a lot of missing children. Have you simply read the sicko threads in the Crimes Against Children Forum right here? We don't know what kind of rings are operating in other countries. I know there are plenty of threads of parents hurting children, but these parents have no motive, they've raised two other children, no mental instability or drugs etc. So, it's reasonable to draw another inference beyond their involvement.

If there is a sliver of a chance that she is alive, please God, let's just focus on finding her. It can't hurt. Don't give up hope for this little girl.

Please, if one child can be rescued, it will shine the light of hope for others.

This is one effed up cruel world.