Madeleine McCann found?

[Gem2626]

It doesn't matter what way the British "see themselves" - geography is not decided by popular vote. Now let that be an end to the geography hijack.



She was last seen around 5 when being picked up from daycare.

I think the confusion about the distance from the Tapas bar is because it is only about 50 yards "as the crow flies", but walking distance would be about 150 yards.

The distance as the crow flies is 50.82 metres (almost 56 yards)
Walking distance is 77.38 metres (almost 85 yards)

That is according to google maps.

It says in the description at the top of this page that it was 120 metres away. Mods this is wrong!

 

[goldengirl57]

First, I am in no way presuming to know what happened to Madeleine. That said, the thought has crossed my mind, here we have two highly educated people, physicians, who know all about taking precautions and how to protect and care for their small children. So it is somewhat of a red flag as to why they chose not to use the Nanny service there? Was it that they felt too safe, or because something had already happened to Madeleine? Possibly a convenient part of a cover up?
Just more thoughts, :moo:

What one must remember was at 10pm Mrs McCann was only going to CHECK the children, she wasnt finishing for the night.

IF abductors were watching their routines they would know that they were there in the Tapas until about 11pm.

Perhaps the checking became less frequent as more wine was consumed.

IF the abductors were watching they would have planned it to the minutest detail, even used mobile phones perhaps to say when one of them was returning back to the bar.......

I would think the later they took the child, the less chance they would have been seen by others out i.e. Tanner and Smith for example.

The 10pm sighting by Smiths for me is simply another person taking their child home from a creche or babysitter.

It is totally illogical to walk a snatched child through lit streets.....

No I think it would be quite easy to slip in from the front door using a key made, pick up the child saying they were taking her to mummy and daddy if she woke, then either use the empty apartment to hide away until everything went quiet, or simply slip out the front door after just checking to see if anyone was about, turn left on the lagos road into a parked car with a driver already insitu and been off towards spain or any other place.....but i would have done it after the last check which i would think was possibly 10pm or maybe 10.30pm.....

 

[Venom]

No its not ok . They know that .they will live with it for ever. But this dies not make them involved in her dissapearance

I get the feeling that people think if they cant prove that they will vilify for the babysitting.

Whats the point ? This is about finding out what happened not some constant narrative abou how bad the parents are

All due respect, but the point is that if MM was abducted, had a parent been there there's a very good chance that this would have never happened.
If she was babysat, this would not have happened.

jmo and :twocents:

 

[Cappuccino]

I think the McCanns already know that. And as they were not the only family leaving their children unattended that night, it may well have been another child who was abducted instead, (if indeed there was an abduction).

 

[Jmoose]

I think the McCanns already know that. And as they were not the only family leaving their children unattended that night, it may well have been another child who was abducted instead, (if indeed there was an abduction).

The practice of leaving your children like this is obviously a bad one. I wouldn't do it at home, where I know all of my neighbors well, and certainly wouldn't do it in a resort! To me, these resorts are a bit like cruise ships, where crimes do happen, and the management carefully guard their reputations by not accurately reporting crime statistics. Of course, abductions are relatively rare, but burglaries are not-and I would never want to take that chance with my children. The McCanns may now know that this practice is wrong, but they have to get used to the idea that people consider them partially responsible for their daughter's abduction, because they are-it is part of the price they will have to pay.

 

[Cappuccino]

I think they probably already know that too. They're not here though, and nobody as far as I can see is posting here that its acceptable to leave your children unattended. So I don't really see where this is getting us.

 

[gord]

All due respect, but the point is that if MM was abducted, had a parent been there there's a very good chance that this would have never happened.
If she was babysat, this would not have happened.

jmo and :twocents:

of course They know that - there decision to do the checks has had disastrous consequences -

They cant turn back the clock - hell we have all made mistakes in life - this one has cost them dear

but at the end of the day the person who took Maddie is the person that needs to be caught and for me that is why we are here on line posting - not to constantly castigate the parents - IMO

 

[Jmoose]

I think they probably already know that too. They're not here though, and nobody as far as I can see is posting here that its acceptable to leave your children unattended. So I don't really see where this is getting us.

The reason I am still saying it is because there are still people here saying "the McCanns did nothing wrong-leave them alone in their grief!". They did do something wrong-and actually, there might be something gained by LE at least, by looking at the possibilities that extend from the opportunity the McCanns provided. The people seen watching the McCanns villa could have been staff, responding to complaints that other guests made about the children crying incessantly for maybe more than one night. I can imagine the lady upstairs calling the mgmt complaining about crying, and some staff member standing right outside for an extended time, just listening to see if the children might be crying...it's relevant to me for such a reason.

 

[dotr]

http://news.sky.com/story/1155298/madeleine-mccann-150-calls-after-dutch-appeal

"Police say they received 150 phone calls from the public after an appeal about Madeleine McCann was aired on Dutch television.

Officers at Scotland Yard say they received the calls after the appeal was broadcast on the Netherlands crime programme, Opsporing Verzocht on Tuesday evening"

<<<Snip>>>


" Following a similar appeal on Norway's TV2 channel on Monday, a Norwegian woman has claimed to have seen a girl resembling Madeleine with a strange man when she was on holiday in Spain two years ago.

The woman contacted former police superintendent Finn Abrahamsen with the tip-off after the ex-policeman appeared on TV2 to discuss a new suspect in the case.

Mr Abrahamsen said: "There was a lady who had been on holiday in Spain two years ago.

"She was at a shopping mall and believed she observed the missing girl with an older man. She's pretty sure this could be Madeleine McCann."

 

[Cappuccino]

The reason I am still saying it is because there are still people here saying "the McCanns did nothing wrong-leave them alone in their grief!". They did do something wrong-and actually, there might be something gained by LE at least, by looking at the possibilities that extend from the opportunity the McCanns provided. The people seen watching the McCanns villa could have been staff, responding to complaints that other guests made about the children crying incessantly for maybe more than one night. I can imagine the lady upstairs calling the mgmt complaining about crying, and some staff member standing right outside for an extended time, just listening to see if the children might be crying...it's relevant to me for such a reason.

The last point is true, that could be a possible explanation for some of the people seen by witnesses around the apartment building. You would think all staff members would have been interviewed by now though, its been six years.

 

[dotr]

This is a composite of the" perp" as depicted in 2008 by an unusual group of 'sensitive" people... surprisingly, not unlike the one we have now imo.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66896/EXCLUSIVE-FBI-psychics-turn-up-face-of-Maddy-killer

 

[Jmoose]

The last point is true, that could be a possible explanation for some of the people seen by witnesses around the apartment building. You would think all staff members would have been interviewed by now though, its been six years.

You know, I really think that so very much gets missed in even the most careful police investigations, and timelines so frequently are incorrect. I know lots of people for whom time is always just an estimate. My husband has no idea how long ANYTHING takes-cannot tell when 10 minutes have passed accurately, etc.

Also, the PJ and Scotland Yard could actually already know who some of these people are that witness claim to have seen-they never tell the general public because they are looking for information that is untouched by preconceptions. I have a close friend who has been in LE for 30 years-spent time at Quantico learning much of this, and this is how I know some of this stuff:twocents:

 

[Cappuccino]

This is a composite of the" perp" as depicted in 2008 by an unusual group of 'sensitive" people... surprisingly, not unlike the one we have now imo.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66896/EXCLUSIVE-FBI-psychics-turn-up-face-of-Maddy-killer

It doesn't look anything like him to me, and their description of a Middle Eastern man doesn't sound like the Smiths' descriptions either.

IMO its a bit irresponsible too for any psychic to declare a missing child dead. Remember Shawn Hornbeck and Amanda Berry....

 

[Jmoose]

It doesn't look anything like him to me, and their description of a Middle Eastern man doesn't sound like the Smiths' descriptions either.

IMO its a bit irresponsible too for any psychic to declare a missing child dead. Remember Shawn Hornbeck and Amanda Berry....

I agree-and don't put much stock in psychics (sorry to all who are offended!)

 

[Cherwell]

It doesn't look anything like him to me, and their description of a Middle Eastern man doesn't sound like the Smiths' descriptions either.

Doesn't look anything like whom?

 

[Cappuccino]

Doesn't look anything like whom?

Like the e fit.

 

[dotr]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/437054/Madeleine-McCann-Crimewatch-film-attracts-7-3million-viewers

"At its peak 7.3 million viewers tuned in to the BBC1 programme on Monday night &#8211; 30 per cent of that night&#8217;s total audience share.

It had an average audience of 6.7 million viewers and even the 10-minute update at 10.35pm attracted 3.3 million.

A BBC spokeswoman said: &#8220;It is the highest audience for a Crimewatch programme on records going back to 2002".

 

[goldengirl57]

It doesn't look anything like him to me, and their description of a Middle Eastern man doesn't sound like the Smiths' descriptions either.

IMO its a bit irresponsible too for any psychic to declare a missing child dead. Remember Shawn Hornbeck and Amanda Berry....

I agree nothing like the e fit now.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It doesn't look anything like him to me, and their description of a Middle Eastern man doesn't sound like the Smiths' descriptions either.

IMO its a bit irresponsible too for any psychic to declare a missing child dead. Remember Shawn Hornbeck and Amanda Berry....

There is no such things as psychics.


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[Cappuccino]

There is no such things as psychics.


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I fully share that belief, but unfortunately some people do claim to be psychics. Some of those are irresponsible enough to declare that missing children are dead, rags like the Express print their claims as if they're news and all too many people believe them.