Madeleine McCann found?

[SapphireSteel]

You obviously think Madeleine's parents did something to her. Let's say you're right. What did they do with her? Are they also "cleverer than the Scarlet Pimpernel"?

They are believed to have moved her body several times.

The first evening the secreted her somewhere nearby. They moved her very early the next morning.

Suggestions were made in regards to a Church that Kate frequented. Pat Brown, a noted US forensic profiler, walked through PDL and formed the opinion that the rocky part of the beach would be the natural place in the first instance, either lightly buried or under part of the cliff.

Results of testing in the hire car indicated that she may have been frozen, and her body finally dumped weeks after. Suggestions are at sea, where she would sink without trace.

One thing I am sure of, is she will never be found, either dead or alive.

:moo:

 

[saggymoon]

You obviously think Madeleine's parents did something to her. Let's say you're right. What did they do with her? Are they also "cleverer than the Scarlet Pimpernel"?

Where did I say they did something to her? i dont like everyone else know. I think they know exactly what has happened, whatever that was. that is my opinion. i dont believe their spin and never have.

i was responding to dotr who said that great effort is needed to find her. And asking which great effort might that be? and listed all the efforts already made.

Edit to previous post, 3/4 million spent by leicester police, not 1/4
as for cleverer than the scarlet pimpernel you obviously have not cottoned on to the magic verbal tricks of gerry mccann

 

[saggymoon]

The effort to overlook personal opinion for the greater good.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...um-becomes-ambassador-for-missing-people.html
She said: “Having these billboards on show could prick the conscience of people who know where that person is or what has happened.


“I’ve been told by experts that you need to keep ‘pricking’ the conscience of that someone who knows.


“Keep prodding until finally that person thinks, ‘I’ve had enough’ and comes forward with information about where the missing person is.”


In her new role, Kate, from Rothley, Leics, will be speaking at events, lobbying Parliament for better funding of the charity and supporting families whose loved ones have disappeared.


She also hopes the campaign will raise public awareness of the whole issue of missing people.


She said: “It was recently revealed that in the UK a child goes missing every three minutes. That is frankly terrifying.”
"

billboards in the uk will do exactly what after five years of madeleines face being on the front pages of many newspapers around the world and on the tv screens to millions

 

[Cappuccino]

They are believed to have moved her body several times.

Believed by whom? And on what evidence?

The first evening the secreted her somewhere nearby. They moved her very early the next morning.

Citation needed.

Suggestions were made in regards to a Church that Kate frequented.

What suggestions exactly, and by whom? Are there any evidentiary supports for these suggestions?

Pat Brown, a noted US forensic profiler

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh for the love of all that's holy. Pat Brown is Sylvia Brown with more sciency troothiness in her PR campaign. End of. Don't quote charlatans like that at me.

Results of testing in the hire car indicated that she may have been frozen, and her body finally dumped weeks after.

Can you show me links to the lab reports of these tests please?

Suggestions are at sea, where she would sink without trace.

Suggestions by whom and on what evidence?

One thing I am sure of, is she will never be found, either dead or alive.

*Sigh* I wish this wasn't the one thing I agreed with you about, but I'm afraid it is.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Believed by whom? And on what evidence?



Citation needed.



What suggestions exactly, and by whom? Are there any evidentiary supports for these suggestions?



HAHAHAHAHA. Oh for the love of all that's holy. Pat Brown is Sylvia Brown with more sciency troothiness in her PR campaign. End of. Don't quote charlatans like that at me.




Can you show me links to the lab reports of these tests please?



Suggestions by whom and on what evidence?



*Sigh* I wish this wasn't the one thing I agreed with you about, but I'm afraid it is.

All of the above is freely available on MSM.

 

[Cappuccino]

Then there should be no problem for you providing the links I asked for. You're the one making the claims after all.

Let's make it simple - please post a link to the "lab reports which indicate she may have been frozen and dumped at sea weeks after."

 

[saggymoon]

*Sigh* I wish this wasn't the one thing I agreed with you about, but I'm afraid it is.

And the reason for you thinking she will never be found is?

 

[saggymoon]

I think sadly it will be chance that finds Madeleine, especially if she has been killed. There is only so much the police can do, they cannot search the home and garden of each and every person in PDL, let alone those within driving distance. And that is assuming she is either being held alive, or buried, locally. If she was taken a distance away, or dropped into the sea it is bordering on the impossible to find her. Look at Peter Tobin, if he had not killed for a third time, and this time someone he knew, he would never have been caught, and his two other victims would have just lain in his old garden until someone decided to do work there. That is despite the fact he was nown to have drugged and raped two teenage girls, and lived in Bathgate where his victim disappeared (and five hundred miles from where he buried her).

But there is always hope, and not looking will certainly not find her.

I have lined to an article on the thread for Martin Allen, in the 1970s missing forum. In this article a policeman describe show there were departments of the police that dealt with missing art etc, but not one dedicated to missing children!

Well scotland yard have 3.5 million pound to rake over old ground, seeing as they are supposed to be the best in the business lets wish them luck

 

[Sabot]

Unless you know the facebook real names compared to forum
pseudo names you are in absolutely no position whatsoever at all to declare that the general public and supporters of missing people were not posting those posts of dissaproval, none whatsoever, stroll on dear

I do know most of the real names. When you have been as involved as I have it doesn't take that much effort to spot these people. They are all over Face Book and Twitter, and their style, if you can call it that, is not difficult to follow up. They all give themselves away in the end even if they do use numerous Socks.

 

[Sabot]

This is not true.

The media and the British Government support the McCanns, but Joe Bloggs in the street does not.

The reason? Because the McCanns were wealthy doctors, on a wonderful holiday, and they neglected their children.

People can not get past that fact. The McCanns have vocal support, and the best PR money can buy, but despite this the majority of the public DOES NOT support them.

All you need to do is read the comment section of any McCann article on major news site, and you will see overwhelmingly that even those who give credance to the abduction theory are very unsupportive of the McCanns themselves.

They are still perceived as careless, neglectful parents, and always will be, because it is fact. They were careless, and they did neglect their children.

Just check the numbers who signed The Petition in support of The McCanns, and then check the numbers who have signed various Petitions against them.
The vast difference makes it glaringly obvious that The Public do support The McCanns.

 

[Sabot]

All of the above is freely available on MSM.

But absolutely No Proof. Just the meanderings of an Incompetent Policeman with a Criminal Record for Lying Under Oath, and Forum Myths.

 

[SapphireSteel]

But absolutely No Proof. Just the meanderings of an Incompetent Policeman with a Criminal Record for Lying Under Oath, and Forum Myths.

The British police were the ones who first developed information against the McCanns. Until they declared they had found evidence implicating the McCanns, the Portugese LE were in fact investigating an abduction.

The British police were also the ones who provided and paid for Eddie and Keela, and the services of FSS Ltd.

 

[Sabot]

The British police were the ones who first developed information against the McCanns. Until they declared they had found evidence implicating the McCanns, the Portugese LE were in fact investigating an abduction.

The British police were also the ones who provided and paid for Eddie and Keela, and the services of FSS Ltd.

This is simply not true. The British Police simply said that everyone must be considered, including the parents, which is perfectly normal.
The Dogs were not provided by The British Police because Martin Grime had already retired from The British Police at that point, taking his dogs with him. If you had read The Files you would know this.
Martin Grime had already set up a Private Company, and only that Company was paid for the use of Eddie and Keela in Portugal. Also in Jersey to the tune of £97,000.

I really don't want to take cheap shots, but I am so tired of the lies and distortions. Eddie The Cadaver Dog was never any such thing because he had been trained originally to scent Blood in a Search and Rescue situation, so no one, not even his Handler knows precisely what he was reacting to. But he did react to The Car Key Fob which only contained the blood of Gerry McCann, who is still very much alive on the last occasion that I heard.

You really should read the transcript of The Casey Anthony Case wherein The Dog Handler said that a Cadaver Dog will react to decomposing body fluids from Live People.

 

[brit1981]

They are believed to have moved her body several times.

The first evening the secreted her somewhere nearby. They moved her very early the next morning.

Suggestions were made in regards to a Church that Kate frequented. Pat Brown, a noted US forensic profiler, walked through PDL and formed the opinion that the rocky part of the beach would be the natural place in the first instance, either lightly buried or under part of the cliff.

Results of testing in the hire car indicated that she may have been frozen, and her body finally dumped weeks after. Suggestions are at sea, where she would sink without trace.

One thing I am sure of, is she will never be found, either dead or alive.

:moo:

There have been no indicatiosn she was ever in the car whatsoever. they found hair in the car - that is normal. Hair being found in your own car does not indicate you had a dead body in it. they found an unidentifible bodily fluid belonging to three to five people, which madeleine cannot be excluded from, but which it is equally possible came from her parents (her parent's DNA contains all of madeleine's components). So the material could quite easily belong to the mccans, which as they used the car is not suspicious.

At no point do the police, the numerous journalists or any other witness recall seeing the McCanns carrying anything that could be a body.

Like everyone keeps pointing out cadaver dogs were used, and failed to find a body. Sniffer dogs failed to find her the night she disappeared. What freezer where they supposed to use? Why did they allow someone to film them during the three months after madeleine disappeared. Madeleine was seen alive at half past six, the Mccanns were seen at dinner at eight thirty, they had a two hour window for madeleine to die, for them to hide her body somewhere where the police did not find it, and come up with the entire plan. Why despite the fact they were being followed by the world's media did no-one notice them moving around and burying a body?

And pat brown I believe, can only call herself a profiler because in the US anyonce can as no qualifications are needed. I believe her qualifications amount to an MA in criminal justice and reading books. I do not believe she has ever been employed by the police or FBI to help track down a killer. She is not so much noted as semi-famous due to self publicity.

 

[brit1981]

Grimes writes in his report that Eddie alerts to bodily fluid. The dog is a sweet little chap, but sadly not much use unless a body is actually found. If there is no body all anyone can say is that the dog alerted to a bodily fluid that is degrading. As there was nail, hair, and an unidentifible bodily fluid in the car then Eddie would alert to these (assuming he reacted correctly).

there is also a big difference betwen information available on the internet and facts. The madeleine foundation, the madeleine McCann research group (same people), and their supporters such as debbie butler and Tony bennett are resposnible for putting a lot of this rubbish about.

the general public do support the mccans, people like the above are in the vast minority. This is why Gerry has been invited to tae part in the last stages of the leveson inquiry, and Kate has been made an ambassador for missing people. Those against them constitute a vicious and vocal minority, some of whom have been investigated by the police for their behaviour. Some of the things they have said about madeleine are sickening - lie claiming photographs of her giggling on the floor, or eating an ice cream, are sexually proocative, and there are threads going into great detail about this, which says more about them then anyone else.
Sabot is right, they are incredibly easy to recognize, be it their twitter ramblings or their various little forums.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Grimes writes in his report that Eddie alerts to bodily fluid. The dog is a sweet little chap, but sadly not much use unless a body is actually found. If there is no body all anyone can say is that the dog alerted to a bodily fluid that is degrading. As there was nail, hair, and an unidentifible bodily fluid in the car then Eddie would alert to these (assuming he reacted correctly).

there is also a big difference betwen information available on the internet and facts. The madeleine foundation, the madeleine McCann research group (same people), and their supporters such as debbie butler and Tony bennett are resposnible for putting a lot of this rubbish about.

the general public do support the mccans, people like the above are in the vast minority. This is why Gerry has been invited to tae part in the last stages of the leveson inquiry, and Kate has been made an ambassador for missing people. Those against them constitute a vicious and vocal minority, some of whom have been investigated by the police for their behaviour. Some of the things they have said about madeleine are sickening - lie claiming photographs of her giggling on the floor, or eating an ice cream, are sexually proocative, and there are threads going into great detail about this, which says more about them then anyone else.
Sabot is right, they are incredibly easy to recognize, be it their twitter ramblings or their various little forums.

The British Police themselves believe the McCanns are guilty.

There is now proof of high level involvement in the direction of investigation of this crime.

I would question why the prime minister of your country has involved himself in a missing child case, further exactly what personal relationship or associations he has with Gerry McCann.

There have been many questions as to the involvement of Clarence Mitchell, McCann spokesperson, in particular his relationship with several high ranking British government officials, including one David Cameron.

If the McCanns had've been ordinary people, they would have been charged with neglect. The fact that they were not begs the question "why"?

The publishing of the wikileaks communication between the US and British Ambassadors is proof of involvement at a diplomatic level. Why Madeline, where other missing children are not the focus of high level communications?

Anyone who ISN'T asking questions of these anomalies is being extremely naive.

:moo:

 

[Sabot]

Merci beaucoup, Brit 1981. But when does Opinion become Libellous? I really do not know. And I don't suppose that I actually care.
I know that many lies are spoken, and that there never has been any evidence to implicate The McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter.
I also know that Eddie, The Cadaver Dog remains no better able to find a Cadaver than my soppy mutt could. If there is a Cadaver to be found, then any dog can find it. It stinks, okay.
Eddie remains only capable of scenting Blood or other body fluids from live people if there is no body.

What do you want me to say? There was no Body. There was never any proof that The McCanns harmed their daughter. Madeleine was abducted. But I don't care of what anyone thinks of otherwise. I am just so sick of the lies and distortions that these horrible people keep on churning out. They have absolutely no proof of what they say.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Merci beaucoup, Brit 1981. But when does Opinion become Libellous? I really do not know. And I don't suppose that I actually care.
I know that many lies are spoken, and that there never has been any evidence to implicate The McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter.
I also know that Eddie, The Cadaver Dog remains no better able to find a Cadaver than my soppy mutt could. If there is a Cadaver to be found, then any dog can find it. It stinks, okay.
Eddie remains only capable of scenting Blood or other body fluids from live people if there is no body.

What do you want me to say? There was no Body. There was never any proof that The McCanns harmed their daughter. Madeleine was abducted. But I don't care of what anyone thinks of otherwise. I am just so sick of the lies and distortions that these horrible people keep on churning out. They have absolutely no proof of what they say.

This is untrue, further I too am sick of the pro-McCanns ignoring facts and evidence that we DO have -

In a diplomatic cable marked confidential, the US ambassador reported: "Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."


The comments attributed to the ambassador throw fresh light on the case built against the McCanns, which was widely believed to have been driven by the Portuguese police, and in particular the extent of the involvement of the British police and authorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...vidence-against-Madeline-McCanns-parents.html

 

[Sabot]

The British Police themselves believe the McCanns are guilty.

There is now proof of high level involvement in the direction of investigation of this crime.

I would question why the prime minister of your country has involved himself in a missing child case, further exactly what personal relationship or associations he has with Gerry McCann.

There have been many questions as to the involvement of Clarence Mitchell, McCann spokesperson, in particular his relationship with several high ranking British government officials, including one David Cameron.

If the McCanns had've been ordinary people, they would have been charged with neglect. The fact that they were not begs the question "why"?

The publishing of the wikileaks communication between the US and British Ambassadors is proof of involvement at a diplomatic level. Why Madeline, where other missing children are not the focus of high level communications?

Anyone who ISN'T asking questions of these anomalies is being extremely naive.

:moo:

Oh Perleeze do bugger off. The whole World is IN IT if this is what you believe. The Portuguese Judiciary is IN IT now, is it?

Goncalo Amaral was convicted of Perjury in the Case of another missing child some few miles from where Madeleine went missing. Or do you think that this is by the by? Do you think that it was acceptable to beat a Confession out of this peasant woman? And do you believe that she was guilty when The Portuguese Police beat her black and blue?

Good God. There are times when I can't hack this.

 

[Sabot]

This is untrue, further I too am sick of the pro-McCanns ignoring facts and evidence that we DO have -

In a diplomatic cable marked confidential, the US ambassador reported: "Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."


The comments attributed to the ambassador throw fresh light on the case built against the McCanns, which was widely believed to have been driven by the Portuguese police, and in particular the extent of the involvement of the British police and authorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...vidence-against-Madeline-McCanns-parents.html

Ah, So, The McCanns are about to be arrested, are they? Oh No, sorry. That rubbish wasn't true. Just more Media hype.
But there you go. Never mind, Lovey, one of these days your dreams won't come true.