Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[goldengirl57]

This is the original article (in Portuguese) from which the author of said blog translated into English.

It was not their 'personal opinion' at all !!

http://www.lux.iol.pt/nacionais/leo...tica-leonor-cipriano-prisao/1435391-4996.html

I have spent since 5am showing links and news about this cipriano case lol.

It says they were acquitted, mine said absolved....SHE LIED. IF she lied then there was no case against the detectives....jeez my headaches lol...

acquit
əˈkwɪt/Submit
verb
past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1.
free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
synonyms: absolve, clear, exonerate, exculpate, declare innocent, find innocent, pronounce not guilty; More

 

[Donjeta]

I have spent since 5am showing links and news about this cipriano case lol.

It says they were acquitted, mine said absolved....SHE LIED. IF she lied then there was no case against the detectives....jeez my headaches lol...

acquit
əˈkwɪt/Submit
verb
past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1.
free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
synonyms: absolve, clear, exonerate, exculpate, declare innocent, find innocent, pronounce not guilty; More

I don't think anyone is disputing what acquitted or absolved means or that the officers were acquitted of torturing Mrs Cipriano. However, there can be several charges laid at the same time for one or more persons and it is possible for one to result in an acquittal and another of a conviction.

The article that was posted earlier stated that the officers charged for the beating (Cristovao, Margues and Bom) were acquitted of that charge, and Mr Amaral was acquitted of the charge of not reporting a complaint but convicted of making a false statement and another person (Nunes Cardoso) was convicted for forgery of a document.

Gonçalo Amaral, the former coordinator of the Criminal Department of Investigation of the Judiciary Police of Portimão was absolved of the crime of omission to denunciate [failing to complaint] and condemned to one and a half year for the crime of false statement, with a suspended sentence for the same period time.

The inspector António Nunes Cardoso was condemned to two years and three months for the falsification of a document, with a suspended sentence of two years.

The former Judiciary Police inspectors Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, Leonel Morgado Marques and Paulo Marques Bom, who were accused of having tortured Leonor Cipriano during the questionings2 at the headquarters of the PJ of Faro, were all absolved.

Even though Mrs. Cipriano's allegations of having been beaten were found to be false, it is nevertheless illegal to make false statements and forge documents.

 

[gord]

The case against the detectives who were charged for beating up the woman might have been. But Amaral case for perjury was a separate case and his suspended sentence was never acquitted. If you have proof if this case and not just the other I would be happy to see it.

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[Linda7NJ]

When I watched Crimewatch I thought Kate, in particular, had aged more than what you would have expected for someone her age. I could see the stress of it all in her face. I also agree that if they had really done something to harm their daughter they would have dropped all this years ago. I personally think that the only thing that all those involved might collude with to cover something up is that they didn't really check on the children as often as claimed, because they knew it wouldn't look good.

If they're narcissists, and I believe they are, they would find it difficult to drop it.


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[gord]

Oh by the way The Star above is a complete rag and wouldn't even give it the presumption of calling it a newspaper.

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[Donjeta]

I think it probably would be somewhat difficult to drop it after it was such a huge media affair initially. The press has adopted Madeleine, so to speak, and I think many stories crop up in the press without prompting by the McCanns. If they suddenly stopped commenting and giving interviews it wouldn't make the story go away completely, it would just seem strange, particularly after vowing that they'd never stop searching.
Plus, I think some guilty parents in the past have counted on people thinking that they wouldn't be on television sobbing and pleading if they were guilty.

 

[Cherwell]

I don't think anyone is disputing what acquitted or absolved means or that the officers were acquitted of torturing Mrs Cipriano. However, there can be several charges laid at the same time for one or more persons and it is possible for one to result in an acquittal and another of a conviction.

The article that was posted earlier stated that the officers charged for the beating (Cristovao, Margues and Bom) were acquitted of that charge, and Mr Amaral was acquitted of the charge of not reporting a complaint but convicted of making a false statement and another person (Nunes Cardoso) was convicted for forgery of a document.

Even though Mrs. Cipriano's allegations of having been beaten were found to be false, it is nevertheless illegal to make false statements and forge documents.

Re the BIB, I took that to be a recap of what had happened prior to LC being found guilty of false accusations.

Ideally I would like a Portuguese speaker to look over that news report and clarify that part. Online translations are helpful up to a point, but can be misleading.

 

[haden]

Lets forget Amaral, the new investigation is not following his ideas.. hopefully they will even after 4 years find clues on Madeleines whereabouts.

I am trying to find one statement from a Mark Warner staff, a girl who said she was with her boyfriend who works at the same resort and they drove to OC reception to pick up something and they saw a car.

Does anyone in here remembers this statement? What time the car was seen, or even several cars?

 

[~n/t~]

Re the BIB, I took that to be a recap of what had happened prior to LC being found guilty of false accusations.

Ideally I would like a Portuguese speaker to look over that news report and clarify that part. Online translations are helpful up to a point, but can be misleading.

I think it's irrelevant. He was obviously back on the job as lead detective in Madeleine's case. I doubt they would keep him if the charges were of a serious nature.

 

[haden]

I think it's irrelevant. He was obviously back on the job as lead detective in Madeleine's case. I doubt they would keep him if the charges were of a serious nature.

He was not back. He was first an arguido, and then he was charged and then found guilty.. all of this took time so the Madeleine case was in the beginning of this process.
Any case of a policeman lying is a serious nature.

 

[haden]

What a disgusting bit of journalism. This article makes it appear that Maddy has been found. I am amazed the newspapers can get away with this really.

Have I heard it right on the Sky News right now.. that the Greek Authorities have another 9 children found in the same camp who 'don't belong there' ????
9 children??
Maybe I heard it wrong?
Also they said that this group of travelers travel from country to country and they are not sure which country these children would belong to..
This was from spokesman for the Greek Authorities.

 

[cobalt sky]

Here is the WS thread on the Gypsy Camp girl ACTIVE SEARCH Police in GREECE trying to ID 4 year old found ALIVE - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[~n/t~]

He was not back. He was first an arguido, and then he was charged and then found guilty.. all of this took time so the Madeleine case was in the beginning of this process.
Any case of a policeman lying is a serious nature.

Depends on what they lied about. Someone brought up fuhrman in the OJ case. Doesn't make OJ innocent. Anyway we have to agree to disagree. I don't think Amaral was out to get the mccanns. If I was a detective I'd be a little tad suspicious if the parents of a missing child refused to answer questions.

 

[goldengirl57]

I don't think anyone is disputing what acquitted or absolved means or that the officers were acquitted of torturing Mrs Cipriano. However, there can be several charges laid at the same time for one or more persons and it is possible for one to result in an acquittal and another of a conviction.

The article that was posted earlier stated that the officers charged for the beating (Cristovao, Margues and Bom) were acquitted of that charge, and Mr Amaral was acquitted of the charge of not reporting a complaint but convicted of making a false statement and another person (Nunes Cardoso) was convicted for forgery of a document.


Even though Mrs. Cipriano's allegations of having been beaten were found to be false, it is nevertheless illegal to make false statements and forge documents.

Yes I appreciate what your saying but the main charge he was acquitted, he is hardly a hardened criminal that everyone tries to make him out to be he was trying to protect his men.

xx

 

[Donjeta]

Yes I appreciate what your saying but the main charge he was acquitted, he is hardly a hardened criminal that everyone tries to make him out to be he was trying to protect his men.

xx

I did not say that he is a hardened criminal.

 

[goldengirl57]

Depends on what they lied about. Someone brought up fuhrman in the OJ case. Doesn't make OJ innocent. Anyway we have to agree to disagree. I don't think Amaral was out to get the mccanns. If I was a detective I'd be a little tad suspicious if the parents of a missing child refused to answer questions.

I really dont get it.

IF this was in the UK they would look at the parents first they always do. They dont mess about. The same in the states.

Actually Amaral was pointed to Murat because of Tanner saying it was him she saw.

It was only after all the contradictions etc, and the dogs and Smiths sighting etc.

He has seen a lot of horrible things in his time as a policemen and recently before maddy he was up against the family who beat their daughter..

Anyway isnt that what police are for, to find the truth and arrest someone, they are not there to be nice are they lol.

We just are not going anywhere as too much concentration on Cipriano case and Amaral wanting the McCanns blood.

I have yet to see ONE abduction theory.

I myself have posted about Maddy perhaps walking out of the apartment and asked if anyone else thought this could be feasible, not one reply, yet every thread about Cipriano and the bent copper is answered lol.

I am lost i thought it was a thread about what happened to maddy and to do some sleuthing......my bag i must have been wrong lol.

 

[goldengirl57]

I did not say that he is a hardened criminal.

No you didnt hun, but others keep saying so. I wasnt aiming at you not at all.

 

[Donjeta]

As far as I'm concerned it seems quite possible that Madeleine could have walked out and gone to search for her parents but in that case I am somewhat at a loss to explain what happened to her afterwards and why she hasn't been found.

 

[goldengirl57]

Have rewritten original post.

Going back to Madeliene.

I actually still think it is feasible she did wonder out of the apartment to look for her parents.

Everyone concentrates on someone going in but really she could have come out.

Any thoughts?

Was she annoyed when she found her mum and dad were not there and went off to punish them by hiding somewhere.

The GNR dogs found her scent near to the supermarket did she walk that far on her own, did she meet someone, did she go off and fall into an open culvert or something.....

Wasnt there there work being done in PDL at the time on the roads, with big holes and things going on....

There was also a lot of bushy areas about, could she have fallen into something, or did someone with bad intent find her and take her away and this is the 10pm sighting......

 

[goldengirl57]

As far as I'm concerned it seems quite possible that Madeleine could have walked out and gone to search for her parents but in that case I am somewhat at a loss to explain what happened to her afterwards and why she hasn't been found.

Yes good point, but children can fall into tiny spaces. On my revised post there was a lot of road works and holes being dug, really easy for a child to fall in, perhaps not even seen or noticed.

The same goes to the abduction what happened to her afterwards......it is a real mystery.