Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[SapphireSteel]

But now you are going against the current belief of 2 police forces.. who have lots of more info than we do.

How do you know what LE think?

They have only just reopened the investigation.

Don't give me another planted story full of spin and hot air. I've had enough of the gypsies, Hewlett, the dogs are crap etc.

LOL @ anyone believing LE are actually speaking to Joe Public when they make their ridiculous proclamations. They are speaking to the perp.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Which brings us to my original point. Everyone should be kicking themselves for overlooking an important sighting but apparently they're not, the statement from the fund says that all information was acted upon where necessary.

Which is clearly not true if they were running after the wrong dog and tossed the real sighting aside and possibly delayed finding Madeleine for five years.

Yup.

All these years of lies and distorting the truth to cover their own butts.

They never once looked for Madeleine, now even Blind Freddy is starting to realise why.

 

[jigzy]

Saying Madeleine died earlier than the evening of 3 May means that Catriona Baker the crèche worker is also lying.

What is her motive?

Catriona Baker states that in the same room as Madeleine, there were 6 other children in the morning and 4 in the afternoon (including Madeleine).

All the children from the Minis Club go to the beach that morning between 10:00 and 11:00, according to 24horas, based on Catriona Baker's account.



24horas continues: 'After arriving at the beach, little Maddie's group walked along the beach walk to an area where a red parasol and several sunshades were located. The children were prepared for a boat ride.


'For approximately one hour, Maddie and her mates rode in a small yellow catamaran, always under the attentive eyes of two employees.'

Why oh why is everyone else "lying" or "mistaken" apart from the McCann?

You misunderstand me. I, too, disbelieve the McCanns; you only need to look at my 6 years' worth of posts elsewhere on fora where I posted a great number of theories, location posts and Photoshop work as Speefts!

I am not for one minute suggesting that 'everyone else' is lying or mistaken apart from the McCanns. I just questioned you as to why you ruled out previous dates expecting a reasonable discussion without misunderstanding. I wish now that I hadn't.

 

[SapphireSteel]

You misunderstand me. I, too, disbelieve the McCanns; you only need to look at my 6 years' worth of posts elsewhere on fora where I posted a great number of theories, location posts and Photoshop work as Speefts!

I am not for one minute suggesting that 'everyone else' is lying or mistaken apart from the McCanns. I just questioned you as to why you ruled out previous dates expecting a reasonable discussion without misunderstanding. I wish now that I hadn't.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend...

I am just totally frustrated with the way the McCann has managed to completely undermine the search for their own child, and somehow are still managing to engender blind support in the UK.

Even now, the new investigation is in its infancy, and everything released is pointing ONE WAY and still there is accusations of others lying.

Yes I have excluded the "she died before 3 May" theory because it would mean everyone Non-McCann is lying/untruthful/mistaken which is what I have been fighting for, oh, about the same length of time as you.

:seeya:

I believe she died either just before, or during the Payne visit.

:twocents:

 

[SapphireSteel]

It seems to me that if you think people did it, disliking them usually comes with the territory.
I don't suppose there are too many cases in which people believe that X did something to a child and then say, oh, but X is so nice, I like him so much...

Yes it would seem wildly hypocritical to state the McCanns at least covered up their own daughters death, lied about it to everyone, defrauded a lot of good people who believed them, and started legal actions against everyone who disagreed with them, then turn around and say "but apart from that they are wonderful people".

They are NOT wonderful people. They are lying narcissists who caused their daughters death by (best case scenario) pure neglect and they think everyone else is so stupid that they will get away with it. :moo:

Amazingly, they nearly did.

:twocents:

 

[haden]

I found an online edition of portugal news talking about reopening the investigation in Portugal

http://epaper.theportugalnews.com/

 

[SapphireSteel]

<modsnip>(modsnip)

The information from SY should lead directly away from the McCann, if they are the innocent and misunderstood party as they claim.

It hasn't. Every single word released has, if anything, strengthened the case against them and hopefully the news about the supressed e-fit will be one of the main nails in their coffin.

Truth will out.</modsnip>

 

[haden]

In my opinion they are poor parents who tried everything to find their daughter.

On their way they might have made mistakes, and who did not?

Not a single person is a saint really.

I agree, the truth will out.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Trying "everything" would include actually looking for her.

:moo:

 

[Salem]

Stop with the us against them nonsense. Just knock it off or I am going to start TO'ing everyone.

Salem

 

[haden]

Regarding the reports of McCanns not passing this info to the police there is another report from the Daily Telegraph, which is also a valuable source claiming that this report has been passed first to PJ and then to UK police

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...8/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."

So actually it depends who would you trust, The Times or The Daily Telegraph LOL

 

[CHERIE.T]

Why the hello would these parents pick one child to kill over their others? Was there a fit of rage Or an accidental death? If so why didn't the parents call for help?
I'm not buying that the MCCann's offed their little one while on vacation.

From July 4, 2013.
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London police launched a review of the case in 2011 after the couple wrote to British Prime Minister David Cameron saying not enough was being done to find their daughter.
http://[link removed]/news/world/20...nquiry-into-missing-madeleine-mccann-n1634321

Since then British detectives have made 16 trips to Portugal and pulled together thousands of documents collected from Britain, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies who had worked on the case.

That had led to "in excess of 3,800 actions", yielding new findings and new evidence from witnesses, they said.

B B M
The pictures of Madeleine's last days seen with her family make me think she was not an abused child or a stressed child, etc.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Regarding the reports of McCanns not passing this info to the police there is another report from the Daily Telegraph, which is also a valuable source claiming that this report has been passed first to PJ and then to UK police

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...8/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."

So actually it depends who would you trust, The Times or The Daily Telegraph LOL

It depends on whether you trust SY, now, or the McCann "source".

The claim that they disseminated this e-fit goes directly against the word of their own detectives who were given a Legal Threat to keep it quiet.

We've had so many efits, exclusively sourced from the McCann, why would the ONE that looks like Gerry not be issued especially by Clarence? He released all the others............!!!!

These people....:banghead:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Why the hello would these parents pick one child to kill over their others? Was there a fit of rage Or an accidental death? If so why didn't the parents call for help?
I'm not buying that the MCCann's offed their little one while on vacation.

From July 4, 2013.
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London police launched a review of the case in 2011 after the couple wrote to British Prime Minister David Cameron saying not enough was being done to find their daughter.
http://[link removed]/news/world/20...nquiry-into-missing-madeleine-mccann-n1634321



B B M
The pictures of Madeleine's last days seen with her family make me think she was not an abused child or a stressed child, etc.

You know there is a "hint" of pedophile activity around this case don't you?

Maybe the other children were too physically small yet to join in the fun and games.

Worst case scenario, I agree Madeleine did NOT appear to be an abused child so I fervently hope this isn't the case.

We know that parents rape their children...we know it happens in all levels of society.

Why is it so impossible to believe in this case?

 

[Jmoose]

Well, I'm pretty sure that the Gypsies do not steal the children. I haven't seen even one documented case of that and seriously in Poland it is hard to live anywhere far from some Gypsy community. So I think that the linked article uses the stereotypes, unnecesarily heats the atmosphere and helps to grow the prejudices. Nothing more.

Yes, I agree with you-I don't believe they (gypsies) are baby snatchers, and at least some of what people accuse them of must be stereotypically driven. Very unfair

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes, I agree with you-I don't believe they (gypsies) are baby snatchers, and at least some of what people accuse them of must be stereotypically driven. Very unfair

Hahah I know i said there's no gypsies here, well a friends ex husband was Hungarian and actually from Gypsy stock.

One of her daughters is a compulsive thief and cannot settle in any house longer than a couple of months even though she's got kids.

We blame the gypsy genes...politically incorrect as can be, but there is no other explanation for her compulsive lying and thieving!

She's a beautiful girl and will steal the lining out of your hat if she could.

Unfortunately there is going to be a long, long line of men in her life who will give her whatever she wants, and she'll no doubt steal from them too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes it would seem wildly hypocritical to state the McCanns at least covered up their own daughters death, lied about it to everyone, defrauded a lot of good people who believed them, and started legal actions against everyone who disagreed with them, then turn around and say "but apart from that they are wonderful people".

They are NOT wonderful people. They are lying narcissists who caused their daughters death by (best case scenario) pure neglect and they think everyone else is so stupid that they will get away with it. :moo:

Amazingly, they nearly did.

:twocents:

Their tactics and narcissistic taunts are so strikingly similar to the Ramsey's ..,.its uncanny! IMO


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[haden]

It depends on whether you trust SY, now, or the McCann "source".

The claim that they disseminated this e-fit goes directly against the word of their own detectives who were given a Legal Threat to keep it quiet.

We've had so many efits, exclusively sourced from the McCann, why would the ONE that looks like Gerry not be issued especially by Clarence? He released all the others............!!!!

These people....:banghead:

With all due respect the Times source is the ex spy who worked on the case, one who was once caught stealing perfumes.
Apparently he's been in jail in past 5 years. And the other guy is still in jail.
So it is up to you to chose who to trust .. LOL

And the other guy you choose to trust is Amaral, who was also convicted of lying, not to mention his best friend also ex PJ polioceman, Cristovao, also charged recently on seven counts, one including spying on a 6 year old child!

All good guys LOL and we hear their theories in here and trust them!

 

[CHERIE.T]

Their tactics and narcissistic taunts are so strikingly similar to the Ramsey's ..,.its uncanny! IMO


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LOL and I see nothing about them that is similar to the Ramsey's in any way, shape or form.
Funny hu how many view the same case so differently?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Trying "everything" would include actually looking for her.

:moo:

And at the very least... Cooperating with law enforcement.

IMO

That's what normal loving parents do when their children go missing.


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