Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[CHERIE.T]

I concur. All seven gave the same basic story with slight variations in time and personal perceptions. They couldn't have maintained that, imo, with all of them interviewed 3 times, twice in Portugal and once back in Leicester. Someone would have slipped up by now.

exactly

 

[Estelle]

When Paulo Rebelo, the Investigator who took over from Amaral, arrived in England, the McCanns fled to Brussels!

Working on the thesis the children were not neglected but all together with an adult each evening, or at least seven of them , makes one question why Paulo Rebelo is reported to have said seven, and not eight. Information known only to the investigation. (The eighth child would have been Maddie who was probably dead earlier in the week)

One member of the group who babysat the children, taking it in turns as to who would be 'sick' that night , made it impossible for Madeleine to have been abducted !

Paulo Rebelo arrived in England and the McCanns fled the country. Mitchell said 'it is pure coincidence that the McCanns are leaving Britain during the week of the Police interviews'

The Police interviews and what a circus they turned out to be...

The McCanns had a devious plan to disrupt the investigation.

This would be the moment a Spanish reporter Nacho Abad, revealed on live television that he had proof the PJ had leaked information from the McCanns files. The 'crying incident' had been born right in the middle of Paulo Rebelo's interrogation of the tapas 7.

Nacho Abad, it will come as no surprise to learn, had good contacts with Metodo 3 and of course Clarence Mitchell.

The McCanns including the tapas 7 well aware that Rebelo knew their secret, they had all lied about neglecting their children.

John Stalker's comment, the McCanns and their friends are hiding a big secret, well this was it!

Rebelo an unknown quantity, the McCanns no longer in control of the investigation, their fear must have been what if Rebelo repeats 'the children were all together'... to the media whilst in England , they would be finished.

Hence the' leaking' of information, once more pushing child neglect.

Rebelo would have realised at this point what he was up against, he packed his bags and returned to Portugal.

Only a confession will solve this crime.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...arence-mitchell-of-lying-through-his-teeth.do

 

[Donjeta]

With all due respect the Times source is the ex spy who worked on the case, one who was once caught stealing perfumes.
Apparently he's been in jail in past 5 years. And the other guy is still in jail.
So it is up to you to chose who to trust .. LOL

And the other guy you choose to trust is Amaral, who was also convicted of lying, not to mention his best friend also ex PJ polioceman, Cristovao, also charged recently on seven counts, one including spying on a 6 year old child!

All good guys LOL and we hear their theories in here and trust them!

So what are you saying here?
Are the Scotland Yard detectives silly idiots for taking this sighting seriously and publishing the e-fits that were produced by these people who should not be trusted?

 

[Estelle]

Mystery of Madeleine parents' secret emails 'intercepted by police'
09 August 2007

The friends who were with Madeleine McCann's parents on the night she disappeared have tried to shake off a growing whispering campaign against them.

They have spoken out after a Portuguese newspaper claimed police had 'intercepted' emails and phone calls between Kate and Gerry McCann and their friends.

These, the newspaper reported, provided 'decisive proof' that Madeleine was not kidnapped, but died in the family's holiday apartment in Portugal.


Diario de Noticias, a respected national daily, said 'police sources' insisted the intercepted 'messages' were key evidence.


Police say there are discrepancies between the timings given by the McCann party and staff and other diners in the restaurant that night.

One Portuguese newspaper yesterday, which quoted 'police sources', said: "If everything happened as the English holidaymakers say, in terms of their checking the children, it would be almost impossible for a kidnap to have taken place."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-emails-intercepted-police.html#ixzz2j04XF0tt

 

[Estelle]

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMc...-SPECIAL-Videos-by-Upload-Date-1-1090898.html

This is a link to 117 videos that HiDeHo put together on the McCann case. She submitted them to Operation Grange (SY) in May, 2012 so they are now part of the investigation.

The link above gives you links to all of them as it is her website.

I have known and posted with HiDeHo for the last six years about this case and is very passionately Pro-Madeleine. She lives in Canada. They are also available on youtube.com.

http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...j0j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.iUa5WAdXf6U

If you are interested in this case, I recommend that your view them.

 

[Estelle]

A significant study into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has indicated that kidnapping would be inconsistent with the evidence.

Paulo Sargento, a criminal psychologist at Lusófona University in Libson, has produced a 3D reconstruction of events at the Ocean Club on the evening Madeleine disappeared.

He used minute-by-minute breakdowns of events published in The Times, the respected Portuguese newspapers Público and Sol and the BBC to test all hypotheses put forward by the Portuguese authorities.

From the statement of the Tapas9, Dr Sargento cross-checked times and events from the moment that Kate and Gerry McCann went to pick up their children from the resort’s kindergarten at 4pm, until 10pm, when Mrs McCann reported that Madeleine was missing from their apartment.

He found that from the moment when the McCanns arrived at the tapas restaurant at 8pm, seven people in their party got up a total of 14 times in two hours.

Dr Sargento told SIC television: “There were people passing almost every five minutes. The question is how, in that time, could it be possible with so many people coming and going that no one saw someone coming in through the window without being seen? We have concluded this theory is very inconsistent.”

It is understood that the recreation will be made available to the Polícia Judiciária to assist them in creating a definitive timeline of events on the Ocean Club.

http://hypocriteandliar.wordpress.com/tag/kate-and-gerry-mccann/

 

[Pisces Cloud]

Have you actually read the PJ files or even the Archive Summary?

Thousands and thousands of pages of diligences. If you haven't read them or even cast your eye over the summary, you cannot judge them poorly. It looks like an absolute shed load of work to me, despite zero cooperation from those who should have been cooperating from Day 1.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id199.html

The thing that stopped the PJ was the non cooperation of the McCanns who by then were the main suspects...indeed, they were suspect from the first hour.

How can this be the PJ's fault?

Why doesn't anyone criticise the "crack team of detectives" that the McCann spent millions of donated pounds on, yet who failed to even recognise the night crèche?

:banghead:

My argument has more or less been about the beginning of the investigation and wasting valuable time. Trampling all over a potential crime scene and disappearing on the night it was reported. Even if it was dark I don't believe that would have happened over here in the UK with regards to a child so young. I've read many cases on these boards concerning a big-scale police search at night and leaving a police presence with the victim's family. Also, for all we know, a member of the police could have previously been dealing with a dead body which could have contaminated the scene too. They made a complete hash of it, IMO. Same with the Greek police with regards to Ben Needham, who didn't even have an excuse that it happened at night.

 

[gord]

Yes I have completely ruled that out.

Madeleine was seen by crèche staff that day.

The "checking" was only started that day too.

The 30 minute/30 second visit by Payne was a lie, and indicates to me at least that that is when she died OR just after she died.

I am hoping and praying that my worst suspicions are not correct - that she died while being raped by Payne with her mother's permission.

:sick:

What ?

so payne raped and killed maddy whilst Kate was next door and Gerry was playing tennis and then said - sorry old boy just killed your daughter

no probs says Gerry these things happen - lets meet at dinner as usual have a few drinks and tell the others - we can come up with some plan - maybe I will rush around later with maddy and hide her - no one will find her

so that's it - that's your latest theory

 

[gord]

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMc...-SPECIAL-Videos-by-Upload-Date-1-1090898.html

This is a link to 117 videos that HiDeHo put together on the McCann case. She submitted them to Operation Grange (SY) in May, 2012 so they are now part of the investigation.

The link above gives you links to all of them as it is her website.

I have known and posted with HiDeHo for the last six years about this case and is very passionately Pro-Madeleine. She lives in Canada. They are also available on youtube.com.

http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...j0j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.iUa5WAdXf6U

If you are interested in this case, I recommend that your view them.

This is getting ridiculous - this woman put together videos from photos she found on the internet - added music and words to them and sent them to SY as evidence ?? .............of what - evidence that she knows how to upload videos to You Tube is the best of it

 

[Estelle]

This is getting ridiculous - this woman put together videos from photos she found on the internet - added music and words to them and sent them to SY as evidence ?? .............of what - evidence that she knows how to upload videos to You Tube is the best of it

Please do not insult her good work. There was a theme to each one if you have watched any of them which I doubt you have.

 

[gord]

Please do not insult her good work. There was a theme to each one if you have watched any of them which I doubt you have.

I have seen some of them and IMO they are just a joke . I am quite entitled to have a view - She has taken snippets of videos that are in the public domain added music to them - how is that evidence of anything ??

I have also seen some of her posts and facebook pages which are more akin to mob mentality - it is not a debate or looking at all view points . Just one persons obsession in this case . IMO

 

[Estelle]

I have seen some of them and IMO they are just a joke . I am quite entitled to have a view - She has taken snippets of videos that are in the public domain added music to them - how is that evidence of anything ??

I have also seen some of her posts and facebook pages which are more akin to mob mentality - it is not a debate or looking at all view points . Just one persons obsession in this case . IMO

OK we can choose to differ. They are more for people who do not know much about the case. I put them here for reference purposes in case people have not seen this information before.

Have you read my other posts which are much more controversial which look at different aspects of this case the ideas of which might be new to you? What is your theory then?

 

[Estelle]

What ?

so payne raped and killed maddy whilst Kate was next door and Gerry was playing tennis and then said - sorry old boy just killed your daughter

no probs says Gerry these things happen - lets meet at dinner as usual have a few drinks and tell the others - we can come up with some plan - maybe I will rush around later with maddy and hide her - no one will find her

so that's it - that's your latest theory

IMO this is why some people could think the above.

GASPER'S STATEMENT

SNIPPED.....

“One night, when all the adults, that is, from those couples I have mentioned above, were all sitting around on a patio outside the house where we were all staying. We had been eating and drinking ‘Berbers’.

I was sitting between Gerry and Dave and I think both were talking about Madeleine. I can’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but they seemed to be discussing a particular scenario. I remember Dave saying to Gerry something about ‘she’, meaning Madeleine, ‘would do this’.

“While he mentioned the word ‘this’, Dave was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple, with a circular movement around his clothes. This was done in a provocative way. There seemed to be an explicit insinuation about what he was saying and doing. I remember being shocked by that. I always felt it was something very weird and that it was not something anyone should say or do. I looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions.

“I looked around as if saying: “Did someone else hear that, or was it just me?”. The conversations stopped for a moment, then we all began conversing again. Moreover, I remember Dave doing the same thing on another occasion. In saying this, I want to mention once again that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary scenario, although I’m not sure. He again stuck one of his fingers in and out of his mouth and with the other hand he once again drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual way. I think he was referring to the way she, that is, his daughter Lily, would behave or what she would do. I think he did this later during this same holiday, but I’m not sure."

http://thegaspersstatement.blogspot.com.au/

On page 129 of her book, Kate says:

"I asked Gerry apprehensively if he'd had any really horrible thoughts or visions of Madeleine. He nodded. Haltingly, I told him about the awful pictures that scrolled through my head of her perfect little genitals torn apart"

Photos of Madeleine at 3yo with professional makeup applied in one taken by a professional photographer.

http://thelostmarketingploy.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/pro-photographer-owns-maddy-photos-why.html

 

[gord]

OK we can choose to differ. They are more for people who do not know much about the case. I put them here for reference purposes in case people have not seen this information before.

Have you read my other posts which are much more controversial which look at different aspects of this case the ideas of which might be new to you? What is your theory then?

Yes I have seen the alternative theories regarding the substitution - I will say one thing they probably have more going for them than being asked to believe Gerry hid madeleine near by for 4 weeks and then moved her later etc etc

My theory is that she was taken - it is the only one that makes sense to me - everything else just doesn't

How she was taken we cannot be sure - but I believe she was taken and driven out of the country that night and in Spain before the next morning.

I think it was planned and probably involved two people who either had inside knowledge of how easy it was to access the apartment. they knew the kids were being left alone and after a couple of nights watching - made their move. Access via the patio door which was unlocked and then some chloroform and maddy is handed out window to accomplice who quickly gets to a vehicle . Perp 1 either exists the same way - or back the way he came making sure that they were not spotted ,

Wearing gloves and acting quickly he would have been in and out 5-7 mins tops and would have left no trace

why ?? well there are evil people who do kidnap kids we know this all over the world unfortunately

did it happen this way - who knows ?? But IMO it is simple enough fir it to have happened this way

I just don't go with the way out complicated schemes of body substitution or all 9 Tapas friends being involved in some evil conspiracy that involves masonic rituals , swinging , drug use, stashing in freezers , etc etc

I am always prepared to be proved wrong - will SY and the PJ sove the case - who knows - I think too much time has passed by now to get the culprits

 

[~n/t~]

Yes I have seen the alternative theories regarding the substitution - I will say one thing they probably have more going for them than being asked to believe Gerry hid madeleine near by for 4 weeks and then moved her later etc etc

My theory is that she was taken - it is the only one that makes sense to me - everything else just doesn't

How she was taken we cannot be sure - but I believe she was taken and driven out of the country that night and in Spain before the next morning.

I think it was planned and probably involved two people who either had inside knowledge of how easy it was to access the apartment. they knew the kids were being left alone and after a couple of nights watching - made their move. Access via the patio door which was unlocked and then some chloroform and maddy is handed out window to accomplice who quickly gets to a vehicle . Perp 1 either exists the same way - or back the way he came making sure that they were not spotted ,

Wearing gloves and acting quickly he would have been in and out 5-7 mins tops and would have left no trace

why ?? well there are evil people who do kidnap kids we know this all over the world unfortunately

did it happen this way - who knows ?? But IMO it is simple enough fir it to have happened this way

I just don't go with the way out complicated schemes of body substitution or all 9 Tapas friends being involved in some evil conspiracy that involves masonic rituals , swinging , drug use, stashing in freezers , etc etc

I am always prepared to be proved wrong - will SY and the PJ sove the case - who knows - I think too much time has passed by now to get the culprits

There are evil people who murder their children.

Every ten days in England and Wales one child is killed at the hands of their parent. In over two thirds (67% on average) of all cases of children killed at the hands of another person, the parent is the principal suspect.

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/research/statistics/child_homicide_statistics_wda48747.html

 

[~n/t~]

Were any children ever abducted in Praia da Luz?

 

[gord]

There are evil people who murder their children.

Every ten days in England and Wales one child is killed at the hands of their parent. In over two thirds (67% on average) of all cases of children killed at the hands of another person, the parent is the principal suspect.

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/research/statistics/child_homicide_statistics_wda48747.html

I didn't say there isn't ?? I was asked my theory and I gave it

that still leaves a 1/3 of cases where the other person wasn't the parent.

I don't think that statistical analysis means much in this case - you know what they say

lies , dammed lies and statistics

 

[~n/t~]

The evidence, including e-fits of a man seen carrying a child the night the toddler disappeared, was included in an intelligence report produced by a firm of former spies for her parents in 2008.
But the report was sidelined for five years by Gerry and Kate McCann because it was critical of people involved and would have caused a distraction if made public, The Sunday Times reported.
The team of hand-picked former MI5 agents was hired by the McCanns in the spring of 2008, 10 months after their daughter disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.
A report they produced was “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends and the authors were threatened with legal action if it were ever published, the paper reported.
Its contents were kept secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the author for a copy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-is-from-five-year-old-suppressed-report.html

 

[gord]

Were any children ever abducted in Praia da Luz?

were ever kids killed by parents and backed by 8 friends then hidden in a freezer and moved to a hire car in Praia De Luz ??

Portugal for sure there are child abductions

again I think that looking at statistical past cases doesn't prove the legitimacy of it not having happened either way

 

[Linda7NJ]

were ever kids killed by parents and backed by 8 friends then hidden in a freezer and moved to a hire car in Praia De Luz ??

Portugal for sure there are child abductions

again I think that looking at statistical past cases doesn't prove the legitimacy of it not having happened either way

I don't believe their friends were actively involved. I do believe it's entirely possible they were used & manipulated as pawns by the McCanns


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