Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[~n/t~]

I know this is a radical notion, but maybe....just maybe, dogs are not infallible.

Looks and sounds pretty convincing to me.

The Eddie and Keela Searches/Videos


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html

 

[gord]

The only statement I could find was from pat brown and she has GM's comment in quotes. I'm not sure where she got that info. My guess would be from Amaral.

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.ca/2011/06/gerry-mccanns-lie-about-children.html

Pat Brown is hardly the voice of impartiality in this case -

and quotes don't mean its true

I haven't seen anything regarding this in the files that I can remember

Its not important suppose just interested to know if it is true or forum myth

 

[~n/t~]

Pat Brown is hardly the voice of impartiality in this case -

and quotes don't mean its true

I haven't seen anything regarding this in the files that I can remember

Its not important suppose just interested to know if it is true or forum myth

Agree with you about PB but I believe she must've gotten the info from Amaral. I wouldn't consider it as fact either. That said, why would he lie about something so trivial like sharing a toothbrush?

 

[Inana]

Complete rubbish - spinal fluid !!

The FSS statements and emails have been posted here many times

The DNA fragments were inconclusive as to who let alone what it was - there was no smoking gun !!

If the police had found spinal fluid they would doing porridge in some Lisbon nick by now

I know. I just wondered if anyone would actually try to validate that ridiculous statement!

:crazy:

 

[hoshizora]

I don't really believe the Tractor guy had anything to do with this. If he wanted revenge, he'd target the people he worked with or the place he worked at. Kidnapping the child of someone on vacation doesn't seem likely at all, unless there was a lot of planted evidence indicating the hotel staff, but that isn't the case here.

I don't believe Amaral would lie about something so trivial either. Having said that though, I would like to see a source for it.

 

[~n/t~]

This apartment, 5J, was not rented out by Mark Warner and the staff did not have the key to it. And it was the second door from 5H, Payne's apartment, that also got some interest from the dog. And that I find very interesting. I always thought David Payne knows more than the other members of the Tapas 7, I was also always suspicious of that visit of his in the McCanns apartment on the evening Maddie was allegedly abducted. Both him and Kate tried to downplay that. Why? Also, we have to remember that David Payne is virtually Murat's alike. It is the reason Murat was fingered by some members of the Tapas 7? Was he seen doing something weird that night?

Now, getting back to the 5J flat. I would love to know who actually owned it and who had the key.

Not that night but........

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

 

[Veidt]

I don't really believe the Tractor guy had anything to do with this. If he wanted revenge, he'd target the people he worked with or the place he worked at. Kidnapping the child of someone on vacation doesn't seem likely at all, unless there was a lot of planted evidence indicating the hotel staff, but that isn't the case here.

I don't believe Amaral would lie about something so trivial either. Having said that though, I would like to see a source for it.

I can see a disgruntled employee deciding to try to ruin the business by making it seem unsafe to families. However, that would IMO take a whole level of premeditation and obsession that makes it sound very unlikely... for example, any other child could have been taken and there would have been other and less risky opportunities to do so IMO.

I don't thing the Cape Verdian guy had anything to do with it either.

 

[Cherwell]

I don't believe it about them sharing a toothbrush. Surely doctors wouldn't do that.

My guess is that of course the children all had their own toothbrushes, but that they may have got mixed up at some stage (one of the children picking up the wrong one) and the parents were aware of that. These things happen.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I can see a disgruntled employee deciding to try to ruin the business by making it seem unsafe to families. However, that would IMO take a whole level of premeditation and obsession that makes it sound very unlikely... for example, any other child could have been taken and there would have been other and less risky opportunities to do so IMO.

I don't thing the Cape Verdian guy had anything to do with it either.

I don't think it sounds unlikely. By taking the child of a vacationing foreigner, That really makes people feel unsafe and unwilling to travel there...

It also makes sense that the Portuguese Police would want it not to come to light it was a resident of the island that committed the crime. They would prefer it pointed away from them.

 

[Fierljepper]

I don't think it sounds unlikely. By taking the child of a vacationing foreigner, That really makes people feel unsafe and unwilling to travel there...

It also makes sense that the Portuguese Police would want it not to come to light it was a resident of the island that committed the crime. They would prefer it pointed away from them.

Agree. And I also believe it doesn't require more imagination than all the complex scenario's that incriminate the McCanns or the other T9 (that I find more and more unlikely to believe). Note that this could have started as a stupid idea to just temporarily kidnap her and then release her soon after that. Just to create a shock effect. And then it completely got out of control and there was no easy way out for him and this culminated into me typing this post about Maddie 6 (!) years after the event...

The beauty of the disgruntled employee, although agree it requires a stretch of the imagination, is that it is one of the more simple, if not the simplest scenario possible. Only 1 person involved so no collusion or conspiracies required, in the possession of a car, having he required knowledge, provided with an opportunity and having a motive.

On the dogs. After reading the previous posts, I am now landing on the strong possibility that a carried body still loses scenting body particles that would land on the ground and would be picked up by ground-sniffing dogs. The traces could actually even have been stronger than when she walked, since parts of her bare body (e.g. legs/feet) could have been more exposed to e.g. the wind, then when she was walking fully clothed and wearing socks and shoes.

This could imply the freshest traces are from the kidnapper carrying Maddie to his car in that particular car park. A logical, lowest risk route to reach it is then to go around the block. Something that a team would never do, hence if this is true it is another indication that somebody was working alone.

 

[haden]

I am not sure if I posted this before.. but this is a very very impressive analysis of all abduction possibilities, done by a Spanish criminologist .. I've seen parts of this even in 2007!
I recommend read if you have time:

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

 

[CHERIE.T]

Really? I never heard children sharing the same tooth brush.

really? :scared:

 

[Veidt]

I don't think it sounds unlikely. By taking the child of a vacationing foreigner, That really makes people feel unsafe and unwilling to travel there...

It also makes sense that the Portuguese Police would want it not to come to light it was a resident of the island that committed the crime. They would prefer it pointed away from them.

I never said I disagreed with the theory completely and even in my original post, I pointed out that it could have been done as a way to make families feel unsafe. However, I also think it would take a whole other level of obsession to specifically choose Maddie and pick the time when she would be alone with the twins. He could just as easily have taken a kid who was playing outside during the day. If that club is anything like most vacation spots in Southern Europe there would also be a few kids playing around outside while their parents had dinner and coffee.

BBM. I'm puzzled as to what you mean by that. Algarve is not an island :waitasec: It's a part of the Iberian Peninsula. You may be thinking of Cape Verde which is an archipelago and which is where the employee in question was from but it's not a part of Portugal and the PJ would have nothing to gain from trying to cover up for a foreign resident, no more than they would have if a British expat had done it. :facepalm:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Easier, maybe... but it's not hygienic and I can not believe doctors would encourage it.


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Being on vacay and siblings using the same toothbrush is not encouraging it. NO one knows why they shared. Was one lost, dropped in the toilet.
Its not a big deal. :scared:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think it sounds unlikely. By taking the child of a vacationing foreigner, That really makes people feel unsafe and unwilling to travel there...

It also makes sense that the Portuguese Police would want it not to come to light it was a resident of the island that committed the crime. They would prefer it pointed away from them.

I can't fathom the leap from disgruntled employee to intruder child kidnaping or child killer.


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[Linda7NJ]

Being on vacay and siblings using the same toothbrush is not encouraging it. NO one knows why they shared. Was one lost, dropped in the toilet.
Its not a big deal. :scared:

It's a big deal to me when it goes against everything a normal parent would do. two year olds typically do not brush their teeth alone. They require supervision and a prudent parent would put them up, out of reach, to insure they don't get mixed up. These aren't ignorant people, These are trained professionals.

I refuse to believe they shared toothbrushes, shoes and clothes.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

It's a big deal to me when it goes against everything a normal parent would do. two year olds typically do not brush their teeth alone. They require supervision and a prudent parent would put them up, out of reach, to insure they don't get mixed up. These aren't ignorant people, These are trained professionals.

I refuse to believe they shared toothbrushes, shoes and clothes.


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It is not against everything a normal parent would do. Toothbrushes get misplaced, Lost, Sometimes kids like to share everything at that age.
Toothbrushes belong on a sink. It is not like they are arsenic.. That a kid would take it and hide it, or play with it is really not any big deal or odd.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I can't fathom the leap from disgruntled employee to intruder child kidnaping or child killer.


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That is funny considering many can take the leap from DR and parent with no prior parenting issues, murdering their own child in a foreign country and hiding the body so well no one has ever found it..

 

[Linda7NJ]

That is funny considering many can take the leap from DR and parent with no prior parenting issues, murdering their own child in a foreign country and hiding the body so well no one has ever found it..

Parents kill their children at an ALARMING rate and they also try to hide it.

How many disgruntled employees kidnap foreign children from vacationers?

I do see parenting issues.

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[~n/t~]

That is funny considering many can take the leap from DR and parent with no prior parenting issues, murdering their own child in a foreign country and hiding the body so well no one has ever found it..

I hate typing this but it doesn't take a lot of effort to dump a child in the ocean and never found.