Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

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I don't know enough about current Scotland Yard findings and I am not a fly on their wall to secretly listen.. but if they after their 2 year investigation say she might be alive it gives me a hope that as well she might be alive.
I trust them!

except this has become very political, with the mccanns having cozied up to gordon brown and david cameron quite a bit, so i don't think it's safe necessarily to call them trustworthy.
 
I would refuse any questions in in an unfriendly atmosphere someone is trying to accuse me of a murder I haven't done..

Wouldn't matter to me. At that point in time... I'm my child's ONLY advocate. I would not clam up and refuse participation because someone dared question me harshly! I'm a mom, I'm not worried about what could happen to me!!! My only priority and concern is what's happening to my child, is my child hungry? Cold? Being sexually abused? how can I find my child! My last concern is ... The police didn't offer refreshments and dressed casually! Kate found that important enough to write down in her diary!!!!!! What?????
I can assure you... I wouldn't have even noticed!!!



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I don't really think you know how you react until you are actually in the situation fir real. Stress and shock does strange things

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About the questions. Both gerry and Kate had answered many questions some the same. When they were made arguidos and the questions became increasingly aggressive and aimed at a confession her lawyer quite rightly pulled her out. Told her no comment till they found out what the f was going on

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when did she answer 'many' questions? i've only heard that she answered one, which was 'do you realixe that you're jeopardizing this investigation by not answering etc...'
and she said 'yes.'
what other questions did she answer?
 
except this has become very political, with the mccanns having cozied up to gordon brown and david cameron quite a bit, so i don't think it's safe necessarily to call them trustworthy.

does this matter really.
Are you trying to apply some conspiracy theory?
That a prime minister and whoever he is would help parents cover up the death of their child.
I am sure the prime ministers are very much informed before they stand to protect a family like McCanns. Not because they are doctors, but because they are being put in a very unjustified position.
 
I don't really think you know how you react until you are actually in the situation fir real. Stress and shock does strange things

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I know me well enough and I have 15 years of history to prove I have always & consistently put my child's best interest above my own.

Stress does strange things to guilty people when they start feeling the pressure. IMO


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when did she answer 'many' questions? i've only heard that she answered one, which was 'do you realixe that you're jeopardizing this investigation by not answering etc...'
and she said 'yes.'
what other questions did she answer?

They both spent many hours answering questions before they were made arguidos. The pj leaked the news to the public before they were and when they arrived at the station there was crowds booing and jeering. They were exhausted highly vulnerable . The pj were going for a confession. Gerry answered everything but kates lawyer pulled her.

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I don't really think you know how you react until you are actually in the situation fir real. Stress and shock does strange things

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For me this is just unimportant bit whether they answered one or five or all questions.
I'd tell them leave me alone and go and look for my child.. if I ever spoke their language ..but you also have to know many of these officers were trained in the times of Salazar, which was a right wing dictatorship, close to fascism and Mussolini. Their party ruled Portugal until 1974, and their policing methods were ruthless.
If I knew this and was put in front of these police I really don't know what I would say.. while my child is same time missing.
 
does this matter really.
Are you trying to apply some conspiracy theory?
That a prime minister and whoever he is would help parents cover up the death of their child.
I am sure the prime ministers are very much informed before they stand to protect a family like McCanns. Not because they are doctors, but because they are being put in a very unjustified position.

hmm i don't know that he would directly have them cover up the death but after supporting them and such he's well aware that if the mccanns are found out to have done it, he looks stupid and corrupt.

do i think cameron and brown are above not being entirely truthful with what they know and directing the investigation in a certain way? no, i don't think they're above that. coverups do happen because politicians' number one priority usually is not taking the hit for things. do you know anything about what politicians are like???

i think it's just common sense that politics and the media hold great sway in such public cases like this one.
 
For me this is just unimportant bit whether they answered one or five or all questions.
I'd tell them leave me alone and go and look for my child.. if I ever spoke their language ..but you also have to know many of these officers are trained in the times of Salazar, which was a right wing dictatorship, close to fascism and Mussolini. Their party ruled Portugal until 1974, and their policing methods were ruthless.
If I knew this and was put in front of these police I really don't know what I would say.. while my child is same time missing.

you'd think a reasonable, innocent parent would reckon that if they answer the questions (with a lawyer there, and after all, they have nothing to hide) the investigation can continue on and focus on the people who potentially did do it. kate must've known that by not answering the questions she looks even more suspicious + causes the investigation to continue to focus on her.

obviously it won't help to just shout at the police: 'stop thinking i did it and go look for my child!' that's not really how things work, obviously.
 
For me this is just unimportant bit whether they answered one or five or all questions.
I'd tell them leave me alone and go and look for my child.. if I ever spoke their language ..but you also have to know many of these officers were trained in the times of Salazar, which was a right wing dictatorship, close to fascism and Mussolini. Their party ruled Portugal until 1974, and their policing methods were ruthless.
If I knew this and was put in front of these police I really don't know what I would say.. while my child is same time missing.

Are you alleging Kate was beaten with rubber hoses?

Odd... She never mentioned that in her diary


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hmm i don't know that he would directly have them cover up the death but after supporting them and such he's well aware that if the mccanns are found out to have done it, he looks stupid and corrupt.

do i think cameron and brown are above not being entirely truthful with what they know and directing the investigation in a certain way? no, i don't think they're above that. coverups do happen because politicians' number one priority usually is not taking the hit for things. do you know anything about what politicians are like???

All one needs to do is look at the Ramsey case.




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Wouldn't matter to me. At that point in time... I'm my child's ONLY advocate. I would not clam up and refuse participation because someone dared question me harshly! I'm a mom, I'm not worried about what could happen to me!!! My only priority and concern is what's happening to my child, is my child hungry? Cold? Being sexually abused? how can I find my child! My last concern is ... The police didn't offer refreshments and dressed casually! Kate found that important enough to write down in her diary!!!!!! What?????
I can assure you... I wouldn't have even noticed!!!



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Linda, the only thing regarding the questioning, is they could have been thinking that if they answered and then were arrested/subsequently possibly convicted because of those answers, then their two other kids would be without their parents. OR.......they are guilty, that's why they didn't want to answer. I fully, fully believe the LATTER, not the first. If they truly were innocent, then they would have no thinking or no fear of being possibly convicted.

What gets me about their interviews is.....they spend most of the time talkng about the media and how the media is printing false reports, and how the media is "intrusive" in their personal lives. Regarding Madeleine, they simply say "we are trying," "we are still looking," and other short phrases like that. But when asked about any leads they have, sometimes they act like they genuinely don't know (perhaps because there are none). They say in vague terms, like oh I think there was one in Spain, etc.. Then in another interview, they basically said they don't get excited about any leads because they usually don't end up anywhere. They said, they let the investigators do that and then they will tell us if it leads anywhere. But if it was your daughter, wouldn't you want to know??? No matter how benign??

I truly think they killed that child on purpose. If it was an accident, why can't they summon any emotion for the poor girl?? Ok, I'll even give them the cover-up, they panicked, they were afraid of going to jail, they were afraid their other two kids would be taken away....it doesn't make any sense but I'm even willing to give them all of that.....but what explains their lack of emotion afterwards???? There is no explanation for this!!!! It was an accident, they must miss her, right??? They must genuinely grieve and mourn her, right?? No explanation whatsover to explain that other than they wanted that child dead.
 
Are you alleging Kate was beaten with rubber hoses?

Odd... She never mentioned that in her diary


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If she was a poor Portuguese with no legal rep then probably would have happened. Amaral was facing court gir that very issue . Funny that

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Are you alleging Kate was beating with rubber hoses?

Odd... She never mentioned that in her diary


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No, but for example what if she has seen the photos and made known of another lady's case they've actually beaten to confession. By the same team!
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Linda, the only thing regarding the questioning, is they could have been thinking that if they answered and then were arrested/subsequently possibly convicted because of those answers, then their two other kids would be without their parents. OR.......they are guilty, that's why they didn't want to answer. I fully, fully believe the LATTER, not the first. If they truly were innocent, then they would have no thinking or no fear of being possibly convicted.

What gets me about their interviews is.....they spend most of the time talkng about the media and how the media is printing false reports, and how the media is "intrusive" in their personal lives. Regarding Madeleine, they simply say "we are trying," "we are still looking," and other short phrases like that. But when asked about any leads they have, sometimes they act like they genuinely don't know (perhaps because there are none). They say in vague terms, like oh I think there was one in Spain, etc.. Then in another interview, they basically said they don't get excited about any leads because they usually don't end up anywhere. They said, they let the investigators do that and then they will tell us if it leads anywhere. But if it was your daughter, wouldn't you want to know??? No matter how benign??

I truly think they killed that child on purpose. If it was an accident, why can't they summon any emotion for the poor girl?? Ok, I'll even give them the cover-up, they panicked, they were afraid of going to jail, they were afraid their other two kids would be taken away....it doesn't make any sense but I'm even willing to give them all of that.....but what explains their lack of emotion afterwards???? There is no explanation for this!!!! It was an accident, they must miss her, right??? They must genuinely grieve and mourn her, right?? No explanation whatsover to explain that other than they wanted that child dead.

They have always used the media to their benefit.

I would take every single media opportunity to get my child's picture out there, I'd plead to whoever took my child and I'd beg anyone that think they may have seen something to report it.
That would be my sole focus.




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Anyway been posting way too much on this. So gonna take a break . See what happens in yge next few weeks.

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No, but for example what if she has seen the photos and made known of another lady's case they've actually beaten to confession. By the same team!
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I have no idea what happened to that person and history has taught me I am unable to take your word for it.
It has nothing to do with this case anyway.


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If she was a poor Portuguese with no legal rep then probably would have happened. Amaral was facing court gir that very issue . Funny that

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And when Rene Hasee went missing in Portugal, his parents also were uneducated.. They went on holiday to Portugal and the boy was walking behind them and then suddenly disappeared

The police came and took their statement and never contacted them again.

This is Rene Hasee

http://www.fredi.org/fiches_disparus/hasee-ren/

His poor parents keep coming every year back to the beach town he went missing on to look for him
 
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