Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[blefuscu]

I think the reason the Portuguese police stopped investigating was the same reason as SY are now investigating. The McCann's have friends in high places. Telephone calls to the Prime Minister. Direct help from the Home Secretary. Clarence Mitchell on the team. Massive publicity. The things that other child abduction/murder cases can only dream of.

My friend's daughter was brutally murdered 21 years ago and the judge in the case ruled out the suspect's confession as he said the police had been too heavy handed. She has fought for all those years since to get the police to reinvestigate. They found evidence locked in drawers of police stations. They KNOW who killed the child, and it's only now after all the time and effort of my friend that CID are now relooking at the case. She wishes she'd had a fraction of the money and effort that the McCann's had, but then again she was a single mother, not a doctor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ikki-Allans-brutal-knife-murder-20-years.html

 

[Cherwell]

If several callers called in with same name I think it's very significant.

It means that several people think they know who he is, that's all. It doesn't mean that he's guilty of anything.

 

[Meteor]

Hi all,
Lets all stop for air and take stock for a while, its getting very hectic and confused.
In through your mouth and out through your nose several times, just relax for a second or two.
Got your breath again? OK, lets go again. Keep breathing and taking in air.
There are some pretty smart cookies that walk this planet, some of them are criminal profilers of the highest order, some of them work for the FBI and the CIA as well as other security agencies. We'll forget Eddie and Keela for a while and their particular sets of skills because we've exhausted that and many people have been pasting disinformation about the skills of these dogs to benefit the McCann's case - <modsnip>.
Getting back to the smart cookies...the criminal profilers.
I've read the work of several criminal profilers and the work they have done in the McCann case and one in particular that raised a certain point:
Sometimes a criminal profiler will raise an issue that is of utmost importance to the mental state and attitude of an accused person.
In this case it is Kate McCann.
Going back to the evidence of the dogs but not in its circumstantial capacity but its impact on Kate McCann.
If someone had their daughter kidnapped or abducted and they found out that the blood of their daughter was found in their apartment by Police dogs then regardless of whether that evidence is reliable or not the response from any parent would be one of horror, panic or absolute disgust that anyone could hurt their child and the natural reaction would be 'oh my God they've hurt my baby'
Kate McCann's reaction is more or less 'your dogs are s h i t'.
Anyone who has children on this planet already knows that something profound has taken place and its not right.
<modsnip>.

 

[aa9511]

I think the reason the Portuguese police stopped investigating was the same reason as SY are now investigating. The McCann's have friends in high places. Telephone calls to the Prime Minister. Direct help from the Home Secretary. Clarence Mitchell on the team. Massive publicity. The things that other child abduction/murder cases can only dream of.

My friend's daughter was brutally murdered 21 years ago and the judge in the case ruled out the suspect's confession as he said the police had been too heavy handed. She has fought for all those years since to get the police to reinvestigate. They found evidence locked in drawers of police stations. They KNOW who killed the child, and it's only now after all the time and effort of my friend that CID are now relooking at the case. She wishes she'd had a fraction of the money and effort that the McCann's had, but then again she was a single mother, not a doctor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ikki-Allans-brutal-knife-murder-20-years.html

Oh, that is so sad. I do hope the time and money spent on this case will not be in vain, and I pray that a surviving Madeleine comes out of it. But what if it is what some think it is - that after her unfortunate death, however that happened, everything afterwards is a big act by the parents?

 

[Linda7NJ]

It means that several people think they know who he is, that's all. It doesn't mean that he's guilty of anything.

Years ago when I lived in a condo I had a neighbor that lived alone, was friendly but didn't take part in our buildings pot lucks or barbecues. Kinda kept to himself.
One night, I'm watching Americas Most Wanted and sure enough... There on the tv screen was a man that looked exactly like my neighbor. Was odd too because he seemed to be missing. The mail lady had asked me if he was on vacation as his box was overflowing.
I called the tip line, apparently ,.. I wasn't the only one! In two hours his place was surrounded.

Turns out it wasn't him, he had had
a nervous breakdown while at work and had been hospitalized. That's why he wasn't around and he sure did look like the guy they were looking for!




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[liz b.]

bbm

But with the whole "abduction" scenario....could they not imagine that people would then want to look for Madeleine and there would have to be some investigation done, however short? I mean, they would have to have predicted at least some sort of investigation into where this child went. I am thinking they thought that this might take 1-2 months at max and then the eventually everything would just come to a natural stop because of course there would be no new leads.

That is what I'm trying to figure out is that they obviously had to think about this abduction scenario in order to plan it out, and yet they didn't think about what would happen afterwards?

i read that this is a common reaction from a murderer, specifically a killer who has acted on impulse.They live through the murder minute by minute. It never occurs to them that they needed to have a longer term plan in place. IF this is true of the McCanns, imo it would point to a split second loss of control.maybe a parent snapped,and lashed out at MM. It does not point to a premeditated murder by the parents. jmo moo

 

[SapphireSteel]

i read that this is a common reaction from a murderer, specifically a killer who has acted on impulse.They live through the murder minute by minute. It never occurs to them that they needed to have a longer term plan in place. IF this is true of the McCanns, imo it would point to a split second loss of control.maybe a parent snapped,and lashed out at MM. It does not point to a premeditated murder by the parents. jmo moo

I used to think that too.

Then I think about Kate's sense of "foreboding" before the holiday, and Kate's book referring to Madeleine's "fear of pain".

I don't think my 3 year old knew what pain was at that stage, unless it was a jab from the doctor. How did Kate know Madeleine was afraid of pain? How much pain had Madeleine actually suffered, to develop a fear of it? That's the sort of thing you only hear from mothers of very ill children who are constantly being tested and hurt by doctors.

:scared:

 

[aa9511]

Hi all,
Lets all stop for air and take stock for a while, its getting very hectic and confused.
In through your mouth and out through your nose several times, just relax for a second or two.
Got your breath again? OK, lets go again. Keep breathing and taking in air.
There are some pretty smart cookies that walk this planet, some of them are criminal profilers of the highest order, some of them work for the FBI and the CIA as well as other security agencies. We'll forget Eddie and Keela for a while and their particular sets of skills because we've exhausted that and many people have been pasting disinformation about the skills of these dogs to benefit the McCann's case - <modsnip>.
Getting back to the smart cookies...the criminal profilers.
I've read the work of several criminal profilers and the work they have done in the McCann case and one in particular that raised a certain point:
Sometimes a criminal profiler will raise an issue that is of utmost importance to the mental state and attitude of an accused person.
In this case it is Kate McCann.
Going back to the evidence of the dogs but not in its circumstantial capacity but its impact on Kate McCann.
If someone had their daughter kidnapped or abducted and they found out that the blood of their daughter was found in their apartment by Police dogs then regardless of whether that evidence is reliable or not the response from any parent would be one of horror, panic or absolute disgust that anyone could hurt their child and the natural reaction would be 'oh my God they've hurt my baby'
Kate McCann's reaction is more or less 'your dogs are s h i t'.
Anyone who has children on this planet already knows that something profound has taken place and its not right.
<modsnip>.

Yes, I agree. Or at the very least, something like (to the police), "wait, wait, wait...please tell me how something like that have happened??! We were checking on the them every ? minutes....how/why would they have done something to her in the apartment? Please tell me how this could be???" (i'm imagining in a sobbing voice).

I have not read anywhere of her even questioning what could have possibly happened? Oh yeah, that's cause she already knew........

 

[aa9511]

i read that this is a common reaction from a murderer, specifically a killer who has acted on impulse.They live through the murder minute by minute. It never occurs to them that they needed to have a longer term plan in place. IF this is true of the McCanns, imo it would point to a split second loss of control.maybe a parent snapped,and lashed out at MM. It does not point to a premeditated murder by the parents. jmo moo

Yes but this just seems different to me....because I imagine most murderers don't think they will caught, like SS pointed out. So they're busy just trying to not get detected by police/detectives. However, this case is different because staging an abduction would already assume that investigators would look for the child....meaning there would be police presence/questions right from the very beginning. After all they were the ones who alerted so obviously there would be police coming soon. What I think, maybe, is that they thought ok, people will look for her for a couple of weeks and then it will just be case closed. That's the only logical thing I can think of that would be going through their minds. But at the same time it's confusing b/c they're also actively working not to close the case, whether this is b/c it's really IDI or b/c they feel they have to actively work to "defend" themselves, IDK. Another thing to ponder is that to get the fund money, they have to keep the case going or at least pretend to be trying.

Also, for it to be MDI, I don't see how it could have happened b/w the 8:30-10 timeframe, as in they walk in and see her fallen or however it happened, and suddenly think of the IDI theory in such a short amount of time. Also there was the written timeline on the book. So if we assume rit happened sometime earlier, that means they have at the very least a few hours to think about eveything. Which I have read a few theories that make a lot of sense that it even happened before, maybe the day before.

 

[aa9511]

SS, at least you don't resort to eating cookies like I do Every time I start gasping I just reach for a cookie or something sweet and unhealthy....LOL!

 

[goldengirl57]

THIS IS IMPORTANT please read this article.

Its very knew and true.

All about a five year old girl who was abducted in France. The mother crying...pleading for help etc etc, even going on searches etc, keeping up pretence....

http://www.thelocal.fr/20130926/mother-of-missing-fiona-admits-daughter-was-killed

The child was taken away in a black carry bag, no one noticed anything and the childs body has not been found as yet.

 

[goldengirl57]

A former detective believes the suspect lives close to where the smiths saw the man. Not sure if this was posted already

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...hes-of-suspect-could-be-breakthrough-in-case/

Oh no not Horrocks, it ryhmes with something lol........

This is pure speculation, also the Efits were introduced in 2008/9 so nothing new.

He says:

He speculates that if the Smiths' sighting is of Madeleine's kidnapper, then the chances are the suspect lived near the area where the they saw the person carrying the child.

LOL, it makes no sense he contradicts himself. He said it doesnt seem feasible anyone would walk 5 to 10 minutes abducting a child to be seen by the Smiths from their apartment, so he must have been living close to where the Smiths saw the sighting........

Err confuseddotcom ....... so he was carrying her to his house then....would have had to walk to the McCanns apartment in the first place and then back again......some how I can see why he is a FORMER DETECTIVE lol.....

Nite Nite ladies in the states in the morning shift here lol...

 

[goldengirl57]

21 posts in and you're already losing breath! Hang around! :scared:

I swear this case has given me emphysema, at the very least I've choked and gasped for air a few times at some of the McCannerisms I've read, on WS and off it.

:liar:

They must think we're all so stupid. Intellectual people often fall into this trap. They are so used to being the "brightest" in the class they forget that lower beings sometimes have a the sort of intelligence they can only dream of...common sense.

An ounce of common sense is worth a pound of university degrees. :facepalm:

They thought the PJ were stupid, and I guess they thought they had the British police sorted out too - well, they did in the early days, the Plod packed up and went home.

I wonder why their very expensive private detectives didn't find this crèche father? Anyone? They spent millions on the "best of the best" after all....:banghead:

:moo:

They were too busy squeezing their replica cuddle cat thats why.....

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id76.html

 

[goldengirl57]

Gypsies are often involved in trade, but usually not actually purchasing from non-Roma very often, especially things they can make or supply themselves.

Such as children.

:cow:

In fact I would almost guarantee no gypsy has ever purchased a non-Roma child in the history of the universe.

"Aquired" them, sure, and sold them too probably, but they would have exactly zero reason to purchase a non-Roma child for themselves.

It makes no sense. KWIM? The Roma have their own children.

Actually an official in the area of Greece where the child was living said in the history of the Romas there has NEVER been a known case of one doing that EVER. Selling their own children for private adoption YES when they cant feed all their children, but never buying one to look after.........

ALSO I see Lisa Irwins parents have shown an interest in the girl. Wasnt this case a bit dodgy the parents could have done it?

Their request was on Sky last night, also this child is 4 or 5 their baby would be only 3 now wouldnt it?

The plot thickens. Anyway out of the 8 so called people of interest not one has stepped up....to claim the child.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nts-of-missing-girl-contact-Greek-police.html

 

[aa9511]

Well, I'm thinking if they had put more pressure on the Tapas9 in the weeks after the incident, whatever that was, they could have gotten someone to break and they could have found a body and they could have gotten evidence about what happened. THey could have figured out exactly what happened that night. Not the parents - they wouldn't have broken, I'm talking about any of the other 7, any of them who knew something, there must be one or a few or even all who know what happened and maybe even where the body is.

But that means that they still know. Time for SY to put real pressure on these people. The others will break, no doubt about it. If they tell them they could possibly be charged with covering up a murder, no way they will keep up their support for McCanns and risk going to trial and risk losing everything. SY could make a deal with them....if they give information about what happened with Kate and Gerry, what happened to Madeleine, no charges for the Tapas7. That should get them to talk pretty fast.

If the Tapas group is involved, it's positive in that this means they still hvae information, just a matter of getting it out of them.

 

[goldengirl57]

Well, I'm thinking if they had put more pressure on the Tapas9 in the weeks after the incident, whatever that was, they could have gotten someone to break and they could have found a body and they could have gotten evidence about what happened. THey could have figured out exactly what happened that night. Not the parents - they wouldn't have broken, I'm talking about any of the other 7, any of them who knew something, there must be one or a few or even all who know what happened and maybe even where the body is.

But that means that they still know. Time for SY to put real pressure on these people. The others will break, no doubt about it. If they tell them they could possibly be charged with covering up a murder, no way they will keep up their support for McCanns and risk going to trial and risk losing everything. SY could make a deal with them....if they give information about what happened with Kate and Gerry, what happened to Madeleine, no charges for the Tapas7. That should get them to talk pretty fast.

If the Tapas group is involved, it's positive in that this means they still hvae information, just a matter of getting it out of them.

Not sure they all are, perhaps one maybe......

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not sure they all are, perhaps one maybe......

All the squeezing in the world isn't going to get that "one" to talk now. Too much to lose and too much time has passed. IMO that ship has sailed.


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[goldengirl57]

So Maria is not on any interpol database, and all the leads have frizzled out what a surprise. Now the greek police are saying its probably what the family said in the first place.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/20...amp-not-on-interpol-list-of-missing-children/

Does it mean if they cannot proove the child was missing then they cannot be charged for abducting her, from whom?

Just a thought.

 

[SapphireSteel]

All the squeezing in the world isn't going to get that "one" to talk now. Too much to lose and too much time has passed. IMO that ship has sailed.


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Don't be so sure...there are ways.

Carefully constructed piles of bs tend to start toppling when one or another gets threatened with charges, or actually is charged.

So far none of this crew have been anywhere near a witness box.

Personally I think they'll fold like a wet paper bag, and the only reason they haven't so far is because they've been allowed to hide behind fancy lawyers.

Find Madeleine Fund yeah right....more like Save the Tapas fund.

:stormingmad:

 

[Pisces Cloud]

I think the reason the Portuguese police stopped investigating was the same reason as SY are now investigating. The McCann's have friends in high places. Telephone calls to the Prime Minister. Direct help from the Home Secretary. Clarence Mitchell on the team. Massive publicity. The things that other child abduction/murder cases can only dream of.

My friend's daughter was brutally murdered 21 years ago and the judge in the case ruled out the suspect's confession as he said the police had been too heavy handed. She has fought for all those years since to get the police to reinvestigate. They found evidence locked in drawers of police stations. They KNOW who killed the child, and it's only now after all the time and effort of my friend that CID are now relooking at the case. She wishes she'd had a fraction of the money and effort that the McCann's had, but then again she was a single mother, not a doctor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ikki-Allans-brutal-knife-murder-20-years.html

Agreed, that there should be no inequality with regards to investigating such crimes and it doesn't seem fair that some cases seem to get more fuss than others. To be fair, though, if the McCanns are innocent with regards to their daughter's disappearance then you can't really blame them for using all the power they have to find out what happened. I think your friend will probably understand that too.

Anyway, a bit OT, but here's a link to Ben Needham's Facebook page and the petition to request more help from the authorities.

https://www.facebook.com/helpfindben?fref=ts