Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[CHERIE.T]

To the case addicts ..... Was it ever said or proven if anything was moved or displaced in the room where the children slept.

 

[Veidt]

The patio doors were left open for the checkings. Why would he go out the window if he could escape a lot easier through the door?

Eta. I meant unlocked

Were they unlocked of the kind you could use the external handle to open, or unlocked in that you still would have needed keys if outside?

It's hard to explain what I mean but I'll give you the example of two doors. One is like the front door in most homes I've ever lived in. If I close it behind me on the way in I can open it from the inside without doing anything but someone outside would need keys. I can 'lock' it by putting the keys into the lock inside but then when I go to open it from the inside I also need to turn the keys back again.

Another is like the door I had on the back of a couple of houses I've lived in. They're like normal indoors doors so if you just close them, they can be opened from the outside using the handle and to prevent that you need to use the keys to lock it from the inside.

So this is a black guy from Cape Verde?
I am sorry but I don't believe it! It sounds like lets find the only black guy in the area and it must be him! Very racist!

Snipped. I think people are bringing him up because he was fired from the resort/club shortly before Maddie disappeared and then on the night of her disappearance he was on the grounds or something.

 

[Fierljepper]

The patio doors were left unlocked!! Why are keys even being discussed? If she was abducted, he/she had no problem entering the apartment. That's why it made no sense that he/she left through the window. Why bother with a window?

Why not as simple as this?

1) abductor waits for the right moment sitting in car at the car park opposite OC entrance.
2) fastest way in: up the stairs and through the patio door.
3) safest way out and back to the car: via the front door (no key needed when opened from the inside, I guess, but always key needed when entering from the outside) and go around the block. Least chance of bumping into anybody of the "T9-checkers" heads on.
4) open the window as a back up escape plan to avoid being trapped in the children's room. Escape plan not needed and save to leave via the front door. Hence an open window left and also no traces of burglary on lichen/sills.
5) he wore gloves, so no traces left (and if he did, they got polluted anyway).

What would be really great if they find out what car he drove and that this car would be on a photo/video in those May days at that parking spot.

 

[~n/t~]

Were they unlocked of the kind you could use the external handle to open, or unlocked in that you still would have needed keys if outside?

It's hard to explain what I mean but I'll give you the example of two doors. One is like the front door in most homes I've ever lived in. If I close it behind me on the way in I can open it from the inside without doing anything but someone outside would need keys. I can 'lock' it by putting the keys into the lock inside but then when I go to open it from the inside I also need to turn the keys back again.

Another is like the door I had on the back of a couple of houses I've lived in. They're like normal indoors doors so if you just close them, they can be opened from the outside using the handle and to prevent that you need to use the keys to lock it from the inside.



Snipped. I think people are bringing him up because he was fired from the resort/club shortly before Maddie disappeared and then on the night of her disappearance he was on the grounds or something.

They were left unlocked by the outside so the Tapas group could check on the kids. Anybody could have access. I posted a link up thread.

 

[Veidt]

The patio doors were left unlocked!! Why are keys even being discussed? If she was abducted, he/she had no problem entering the apartment. That's why it made no sense that he/she left through the window. Why bother with a window?

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I don't know either, I assume it's because of what I just asked - how doors 'lock' may require keys. For example the front door of every place I lived in is technically half-locked when I close it and someone outside would need keys but to properly lock it I'd have to use the keys inside also.

The guy playing with the kids is GM. The other guy doesn't look black to me. Not sure why that's even being discussed. He looks like a tourist watching Gerry play with his kids.

I don't know why the guy in the pic was brought up either, from that user's post it sounds like perhaps when that picture surfaced people blamed that guy so that user was using it as an example of racist finger-pointing?? Or is that TractorMan?

 

[Redgoblin]

Dead men tell no tales, or was it just unfortunate that TractorMan died. As been said before why would someone retaliate in that way, where is the motive.

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[Redgoblin]

I'd set fire to the place or steal something, but to steal a child that stretches it a bit I think and one that gets you into deep crap as well, very risky.

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[~n/t~]

To the case addicts ..... Was it ever said or proven if anything was moved or displaced in the room where the children slept.

No except for the window.

 

[~n/t~]

Were they unlocked of the kind you could use the external handle to open, or unlocked in that you still would have needed keys if outside?

It's hard to explain what I mean but I'll give you the example of two doors. One is like the front door in most homes I've ever lived in. If I close it behind me on the way in I can open it from the inside without doing anything but someone outside would need keys. I can 'lock' it by putting the keys into the lock inside but then when I go to open it from the inside I also need to turn the keys back again.

Another is like the door I had on the back of a couple of houses I've lived in. They're like normal indoors doors so if you just close them, they can be opened from the outside using the handle and to prevent that you need to use the keys to lock it from the inside.



Snipped. I think people are bringing him up because he was fired from the resort/club shortly before Maddie disappeared and then on the night of her disappearance he was on the grounds or something.

I don't think there is any proof this guy is the tractor guy or has anything to do with this case.

 

[~n/t~]

Why not as simple as this?

1) abductor waits for the right moment sitting in car at the car park opposite OC entrance.
2) fastest way in: up the stairs and through the patio door.
3) safest way out and back to the car: via the front door (no key needed when opened from the inside, I guess, but always key needed when entering from the outside) and go around the block. Least chance of bumping into anybody of the "T9-checkers" heads on.
4) open the window as a back up escape plan to avoid being trapped in the children's room. Escape plan not needed and save to leave via the front door. Hence an open window left and also no traces of burglary on lichen/sills.
5) he wore gloves, so no traces left (and if he did, they got polluted anyway).

What would be really great if they find out what car he drove and that this car would be on a photo/video in those May days at that parking spot.

Sorry but tampering with a window, snatching a sleeping child who may have woken and screamed would be just as risky. If he drugged madeleine as some speculate it would have taken him more than a few minutes to do all of this and
He would still risk getting caught. Hence the theory that Kate came up with later on that the man was still in the apartment when she checked. Nonsense

ETA. The twins never woke with all the chaos. So were they also drugged by the alleged suspect?

 

[CHERIE.T]

No except for the window.

Thanks

 

[goldengirl57]

Madeleine McCann: Kidnapper Dead, No Burglars And Amaral’s New Book
31st, October 2013

IMO this is outrageous!

Did you know that the man who kidnapped the child is dead? Well, so they say in one Portuguese tabloid. What says the British Press?

1. Daily Mirror:

Maddie suspect ‘died in crash four years ago’”

Top use of inverted commas, there.
He was a suspect. Fact.
But he only might have died.

2. Daily Star:

Facts galore.
The man was “Maddie’s Snatcher”.
And he is dead.
He was killed by a tractor.

3. The Sun:

The news “twist” is that the Portuguese police – the ones the Sun has repeatedly called bungling and idiotic – say a dead man might have kidnapped the child to exact a terrible revenge for having been sacked.

4. Irish Indy:

The new line of inquiry focuses on a former employee of the Ocean Club, the complex in the Algarve where the child’s family were staying when she disappeared more than six years ago. The unnamed man, who died aged 40 in a tractor accident in 2009, may have been motivated by revenge after being sacked by the hotel resort, Portugal’s ‘Correio da Manha’ newspaper said, citing police sources.

What says the trusty organ?

4. Correio da Manha’ said. “This was the strongest new lead presented to state prosecutors which led to the investigation being reopened.”

The report continued: “The motives that could have caused the ex-employee to kidnap the youngster are still being investigated.

The suspect could have taken the child to commit a sex crime before killing her. But he could also have committed the kidnap as a form of retaliation against the Ocean Club.”

5. The Belfast Telegraph adds:

Clarence Mitchell, who represents Kate and Gerry McCann, said: “We are aware of reports in the Portuguese press. ”They are pure speculation and the McCanns are not going to give a running commentary on every new report.”

Isn’t that your job, Clarence?

6. In other news, Goncalo Amaral tells Nova Gente magazine he’s written a new book.

I have a book written entitled Madeleine: Unfinished Investigation [Madeleine: Investigação Inacabada], for which I have not yet sought for a publisher.

7. On KSy News, Eamonn Holmes interviewed The Portugal News editor Paul Luckman. About that spate of burglaries: See video on link:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/373050/made...r-dead-no-burglars-and-amarals-new-book.html/

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It's a crazy world we live in!

A long revenge as i found out he was sacked in 2006. Would he keep a grudge going for months on end hardly.

I feel sorry for his family....

Wasnt this theory already talked about or am I going nuts. I thought someone had sent an email to was it Prince Charles or similar to say it was an ex employee who was disgruntled......about being sacked.

The thing is I am sure there were more then one person SACKED over the year in the OC. Its quite common when the holiday season winds down for many workers to be sacked as there is no point in keeping them on.

Honestly this guy cant even answer these allegations.......terrible.

 

[Fierljepper]

Sorry but tampering with a window, snatching a sleeping child who may have woken and screamed would be just as risky. If he drugged madeleine as some speculate it would have taken him more than a few minutes to do all of this and
He would still risk getting caught. Hence the theory that Kate came up with later on that the man was still in the apartment when she checked. Nonsense

Sure, snatching a child is intrinsically risky indeed, but this is about those controllable risks that you could 'hedge' or mitigate during your operation. You could also ask why take Maddie and not one of the twins, they are lighter to carry and the impact of an enacted abduction to retaliate against the park, would be just as powerful. So, maybe he decided to take Maddie after, as you suggest, she woke up when he opened the window and the shutter and she started to make noise or a asked a 'semi sleepy' question. She is the only one who can observe and speak about what she saw, so a potential witness and also someone who could raise an alarm. So, since she is now awake and could start to scream, in that scenario it is best to snatch her and move out asap.

"ETA. The twins never woke with all the chaos. So were they also drugged by the alleged suspect? "

The twins even slept through when the alarm was raised and people were running in and out. Nobody did a drug test on them, so dunno. They just could have been very tired of an outdoor day at the pool and slept 'like a baby'.

 

[goldengirl57]

Were they unlocked of the kind you could use the external handle to open, or unlocked in that you still would have needed keys if outside?

It's hard to explain what I mean but I'll give you the example of two doors. One is like the front door in most homes I've ever lived in. If I close it behind me on the way in I can open it from the inside without doing anything but someone outside would need keys. I can 'lock' it by putting the keys into the lock inside but then when I go to open it from the inside I also need to turn the keys back again.

Another is like the door I had on the back of a couple of houses I've lived in. They're like normal indoors doors so if you just close them, they can be opened from the outside using the handle and to prevent that you need to use the keys to lock it from the inside.



Snipped. I think people are bringing him up because he was fired from the resort/club shortly before Maddie disappeared and then on the night of her disappearance he was on the grounds or something.

I have it on good authority lol, that this person was sacked in 2006.

 

[Cherwell]

No i dont buy it. Why mention a sighting of GYPSIES FOUR MONTHS PREVIOUSLY to MAY? Thats like the end of December for something happening in May...

He said it was a usual sight to see and not actually in PDL.

I dont get the significance to what he says, its almost like he had to mention GYPSY....

As to work colleague. Hardly. My husband works in maintenance and knows everyone. YOu have to as you might be handing over stuff that needs to be done on a particular shift........

No sorry just find it odd that he would even REMEMBER seeing a few gypsy men FOUR MONTHS prior....but I respect your views.

I can only speak for myself, but if I was beng interviewed in these circumstances I would mention the presence of thieving intruders. Even if it was a few weeks or months back. The police always ask for information "no matter how trivial it may seem" and on that basis I would mention it, and leave it to the detectives to work out if it was relevant or not.

The name business is completely irrelevant in my view. He may just have forgotten the other guy's surname.

 

[~n/t~]

A long revenge as i found out he was sacked in 2006. Would he keep a grudge going for months on end hardly.

I feel sorry for his family....

Wasnt this theory already talked about or am I going nuts. I thought someone had sent an email to was it Prince Charles or similar to say it was an ex employee who was disgruntled......about being sacked.

The thing is I am sure there were more then one person SACKED over the year in the OC. Its quite common when the holiday season winds down for many workers to be sacked as there is no point in keeping them on.

Honestly this guy cant even answer these allegations.......terrible.

Yes there was a letter sent to Prince Charles claiming it was a disgruntled employee who took Madeleine.

http://www.news.com.au/national/roy...or-maddie-mccann/story-e6frfkp9-1111114540441

 

[Cherwell]

Why not as simple as this?

1) abductor waits for the right moment sitting in car at the car park opposite OC entrance.
2) fastest way in: up the stairs and through the patio door.
3) safest way out and back to the car: via the front door (no key needed when opened from the inside, I guess, but always key needed when entering from the outside) and go around the block. Least chance of bumping into anybody of the "T9-checkers" heads on.
4) open the window as a back up escape plan to avoid being trapped in the children's room. Escape plan not needed and save to leave via the front door. Hence an open window left and also no traces of burglary on lichen/sills.
5) he wore gloves, so no traces left (and if he did, they got polluted anyway).

What would be really great if they find out what car he drove and that this car would be on a photo/video in those May days at that parking spot.

The problem I have with this is that a watching abductor would surely go in as soon as the parents had left. He might wait a few minutes in case one of them came back for something forgotten, but no more than that. The longer he left it, the more chance of one of the parents returning.

 

[~n/t~]

Sure, snatching a child is intrinsically risky indeed, but this is about those controllable risks that you could 'hedge' or mitigate during your operation. You could also ask why take Maddie and not one of the twins, they are lighter to carry and the impact of an enacted abduction to retaliate against the park, would be just as powerful. So, maybe he decided to take Maddie after, as you suggest, she woke up when he opened the window and the shutter and she started to make noise or a asked a 'semi sleepy' question. She is the only one who can observe and speak about what she saw, so a potential witness and also someone who could raise an alarm. So, since she is now awake and could start to scream, in that scenario it is best to snatch her and move out asap.

"ETA. The twins never woke with all the chaos. So were they also drugged by the alleged suspect? "

The twins even slept through when the alarm was raised and people were running in and out. Nobody did a drug test on them, so dunno. They just could have been very tired of an outdoor day at the pool and slept 'like a baby'.

Yes not when abductor was there nor with all the screaming and shouting in the apartment

 

[~n/t~]

The problem I have with this is that a watching abductor would surely go in as soon as the parents had left. He might wait a few minutes in case one of them came back for something forgotten, but no more than that. The longer he left it, the more chance of one of the parents returning.

Good point

 

[Pisces Cloud]

The problem I have with this is that a watching abductor would surely go in as soon as the parents had left. He might wait a few minutes in case one of them came back for something forgotten, but no more than that. The longer he left it, the more chance of one of the parents returning.

Perhaps, that was the original plan but for some reason that proved too risky, and so they waited a little longer.