Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 19

[scandi]

Scandi - I am so hoping you are right. I have this feeling that they also know where Maddie is. However, I would caution that the Sunday Mail is not the most reliable of media outlets. While several other newspapers are carrying the story - they all seem to be quoting the British media. I generally don't find the information to be very reliable when that happens. OTOH - there have been several articles in the last two days that are favorable to the McCanns and that always seems to happen whenever a story is written implicating the McCanns.

Do you know if SOL has published anything recently?

Time will tell and I am eager to see what this coming week will bring.

Salem

Hi Salem, No, I haven't seen a SOL for about a week I think. Doesn't it come out on Sat? I am sure I read the last one but it wasn't stunning news like we are hearing today.

I'm now dying to know what is next to cross the waves of this case. I think it is going to be something leaked about the PJ emissary flying on their way to England. xox

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This case requires hard proof. Hard proof is already gone because of the lousy investigation in the first few days of the investigation. They aren't going to find it and they do not have it, imo. Unless she surfaces in some fashion, they will have no case against anyone and this will grow cold along with the Ramsey case...very sad to say.

 

[gord]

If this is true, then why haven't arrest been made?
In any other missing persons case, I doubt that important, confirmed blood evidence would be overlooked or tossed aside.
Again, if this article is true, what is LE waiting for?#?#?#?

I agree - If forensic evidence is now 100% available that proves that Blood - Maddies blood is found in the hire car and it is blood - not fragments of sweat of skin - then what the hell are the PJ waiting for - this is the type of evidence that the case needs - they should be arrested straight away and sent for trial

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree - If forensic evidence is now 100% available that proves that Blood - Maddies blood is found in the hire car and it is blood - not fragments of sweat of skin - then what the hell are the PJ waiting for - this is the type of evidence that the case needs - they should be arrested straight away and sent for trial

IF they have such evidence, they can tie it to the car and NOT the people driving it. It was a rental and there is just not enough substantial evidence that puts them in direct contact with that evidence. Therefore..no charge.

 

[ThoughtFox]

According to the articles that Colomom posted on the Portuguese Press thread today, they are still talking about translating court papers and keeping things sealed for months to come. So I'm not sure anything is going to happen soon.

Hi ThoughtFox, Great to see you as always, and BTW, I must say I love the background behind your Fox. For some reason I don't remember that before. Well anyway, it's lookin' good!

Good to see you too! :blowkiss: My sig picture was made for me by the poster named Casshew (whatever happened to her?). I also have another picture of a different fox without the snow, and you are probably remembering that one.

 

[gord]

IF they have such evidence, they can tie it to the car and NOT the people driving it. It was a rental and there is just not enough substantial evidence that puts them in direct contact with that evidence. Therefore..no charge.

I think that if it can be proved without doubt that post mortem blood was found in the rental - that would be enough for an trial in any countries language

I am dubious that they have though -.

I just cant see what the PJ would gain in sitting on any evidence - it has been 8 months now - I am sure they would act if they had something as concrete as this .

 

[colomom]

This case requires hard proof. Hard proof is already gone because of the lousy investigation in the first few days of the investigation. They aren't going to find it and they do not have it, imo. Unless she surfaces in some fashion, they will have no case against anyone and this will grow cold along with the Ramsey case...very sad to say.

IMHO Seriously Searching....the "hard proof" is already gone because the McCanns, who have said that they knew they were dealing with a crime scene, allowed many people to enter this apartment and contaminate the scene.

And that happened before they called the authorities....

But that was the point, wasn't it?

 

[colomom]

IF they have such evidence, they can tie it to the car and NOT the people driving it. It was a rental and there is just not enough substantial evidence that puts them in direct contact with that evidence. Therefore..no charge.

This is just part of the evidence collected. The new reports today state that the blood/bodily fluids have been confirmed to be Maddie's and that it was found in the rental car and the apartment.

While any one piece of the forensic evidence, by itself, might not be enough to bring this case to trial, it is the combination of all the evidence that paints a picture. And it is a very clear picture indeed....

The PJ do not have the authority to "arrest" the McCanns. There are very specific and complicated processes that have to be followed in order to arrest a suspect that now resides in a foreign country. I am confident that the PJ want to make damn sure that if the warrant is issued and the McCanns are arrested and brought to trial the evidence presented to the judges will be sufficient to obtain a conviction. They do not need to rush this process, time is on their side.

When the day comes, and I feel sure that it will, the PJ will be proven to be a compassionate, professional, dedicated, and thorough organization.

 

[colomom]

~snip~
It is no wonder that in Portugal if you end up going before the judges you are pretty well cooked. It is a pat case or it doesn't go!
~snip~

Spot On Scandi!!

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think it's very interesting that the newest Portuguese article that colomon posted mentions Pamela Fenn's testimony. She is one of the few adults around who noticed anything wrong the day before:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176&page=8

The PJ also took into account the analysis of several details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed inside the house, until the statements of neighbours.

There, the statement of Pamela Fenn, the English citizen that lived in the apartment that was located above the one that was occupied by the McCanns, became fundamental again. On the day before the day that the child disappeared, the local resident heard Maddie's screams. The child cried and screamed for her father, while the emotional lack of control from her mother was audible.

Pamela Fenn even spoke to the McCanns about the noise the children made, which disturbed her, and the McCanns promised that the situation would not be repeated.

To me, the blood evidence all over the place, the cadaver dogs, and this statement by Pamela Fenn are the most compelling pieces of evidence.

And somehow, it did work out that the "situation" of the crying child "was not repeated." That is so sad!

 

[april4sky]

I think it's very interesting that the newest Portuguese article that colomon posted mentions Pamela Fenn's testimony. She is one of the few adults around who noticed anything wrong the day before:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176&page=8



To me, the blood evidence all over the place, the cadaver dogs, and this statement by Pamela Fenn are the most compelling pieces of evidence.

And somehow, it did work out that the "situation" of the crying child "was not repeated." That is so sad!

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/09/23/tot-s-screams-a-myth-98487-19833574/

ThoughtFox, Pamela Fenn has denied these rumours.

 

[colomom]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/09/23/tot-s-screams-a-myth-98487-19833574/

ThoughtFox, Pamela Fenn has denied these rumours.

The date on that story april4sky is Sept. 23.

Many people believe that Mrs. Fenn "denied" the story because the press was bugging her so much and she was trying to get them to go away. Mrs. Fenn was called to PJ headquarters and her statement was taken. I seriously doubt that would have been done if she had nothing to say.

She is not the only one who reported troubling incidents at the McCann apartment.

 

[april4sky]

The date on that story april4sky is Sept. 23.

Many people believe that Mrs. Fenn "denied" the story because the press was bugging her so much and she was trying to get them to go away. Mrs. Fenn was called to PJ headquarters and her statement was taken. I seriously doubt that would have been done if she had nothing to say.

She is not the only one who reported troubling incidents at the McCann apartment.

I realise the article is old colomom but I knew Mrs Fenn had denied the story and did a search.
Saw and heard her deny it on video and it sounded like she meant it to me.
I would rather believe what I heard her say for herself than what the press chose to print.

It seems no matter how often something is denied down the line it will be repeated again as fact.
Thats why this case is such a mess.

 

[gord]

I know we are all keen to get this case done -

I for one have really given up believing anything now that appears in the press - there has been so much rubbish , speculation and down right lies on a daily basis - and it is still going on

No-one knows really what Mrs Fenn has or hasnt said apart rom the policeman who took her signed statement , the same with Tanner - though we have more have a clue with her as she has appeared on TV

there now appears to be another push on forensics - down to the police having everything in place apart from the body - good I hope they do and they start to move

We have been here many times before - so until I see with my own eyes things happening then it just gets filed under maybes and theories .

Of course we can still all speculate and comment , but when it comes down to it we are still in the dark


ps I still dont believe they did it - but that is still only my own gut feel - not based on anything hard and fast as there isnt much to go on for all us watchers

 

[ThoughtFox]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/09/23/tot-s-screams-a-myth-98487-19833574/

ThoughtFox, Pamela Fenn has denied these rumours.

Well, Fenn's story had been reported for months, so I don't know why she suddenly denied it. Maybe the police told her to stop talking to the media. Here is an article which goes into detail about what she told police, both about a break-in at her house, and what she supposedly heard from Maddie:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

 

[gord]

Well, Fenn's story had been reported for months, so I don't know why she suddenly denied it. Maybe the police told her to stop talking to the media. Here is an article which goes into detail about what she told police, both about a break-in at her house, and what she supposedly heard from Maddie:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

I rest my case - April quotes the Sunday Mirror and you retaliate with the Daily Express

I know it is all we have ........... and I have been just as guilty in quoting the tabs -

 

[april4sky]

I know we are all keen to get this case done -

I for one have really given up believing anything now that appears in the press - there has been so much rubbish , speculation and down right lies on a daily basis - and it is still going on

No-one knows really what Mrs Fenn has or hasnt said apart rom the policeman who took her signed statement , the same with Tanner - though we have more have a clue with her as she has appeared on TV

there now appears to be another push on forensics - down to the police having everything in place apart from the body - good I hope they do and they start to move

We have been here many times before - so until I see with my own eyes things happening then it just gets filed under maybes and theories .

Of course we can still all speculate and comment , but when it comes down to it we are still in the dark


ps I still dont believe they did it - but that is still only my own gut feel - not based on anything hard and fast as there isnt much to go on for all us watchers

I agree with your ps gord. And thats because I have yet to see any actual evidence against them. All the speculation has just become crazy.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I know you can't believe everything you read. After spending a few days reading at the Mirror Forums, I found out just how gullible people can be. I was a firm believer the McCanns premeditated the death of Madeleine until yesterday...I'm just about back on the fence.

The only thing holding me back are comments I heard via interviews with the McCanns...From their own mouths.

1. "Find the body and prove we killed her". One would think a father of missing girl would not say such a thing...but it could have been said out of total frustration and anger of being accused and being innocent.

2. "We thought it was safe" vs. "I felt we were being watched" This is the biggest factor to me. You can't have it both ways, you either feel you were being watched or you feel you were safe. If I felt I was being watched, I would NOT feel safe. Therefore not leaving my children alone.

The McCanns seem to be a strange bunch, but I have met many strange people who are totally harmless.

There you have it. The rest of everything I have heard is either forum rumors, or the media. Give me a press conference from the Portuguese Police or a confession from the McCanns and I'll be happy with that, but from now on, I'll wait with the rest of the world and worry about my own children.

 

[Trino]

Give me a press conference from the Portuguese Police or a confession from the McCanns and I'll be happy with that, but from now on, I'll wait with the rest of the world and worry about my own children.

I doubt a confession will ever come from the McCanns. The Portuguese Police seem as elusive.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I rest my case - April quotes the Sunday Mirror and you retaliate with the Daily Express

I know it is all we have ........... and I have been just as guilty in quoting the tabs -

If the tabloids are always wrong, then how can we trust that her "denial" was true?

Tabloids can be exactly right - it happens in every major case that they get a scoop that no one else has. So I never feel "guilty" when I read the tabs.

They were exactly right on the Laci Peterson case, and that convinced me to keep an open mind.