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I've only watched the first video clip, but it's a pretty powerful presentation.
Thanks for the link.
Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 24
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I've only watched the first video clip, but it's a pretty powerful presentation.
Thanks for the link.
Do you mean the report from Anna Stamm (from Amsterdam)??
This video image?
Which would supposedly show Maddie just days after her vanishing??
This is a picture taken the day she vanished (supposedly):
or this one taken in the playground in Praia Da Luz:
I believe that it would be impossible for a child's hair to grow that much in weeks, let alone days....
Not to mention the point I tried to make on the Breaking News thread:
"If I were a kidnapper and I had kidnapped the most famous abductee in the world, would I take her out in public? Would I have her hair styled/cut in the same style as the day she vanished? Wouldn't I dye it, at least? If she had the coloboma that would immediately identify her, wouldn't I put sunglasses on her, at least?"
And of course, there is always the question of the dogs.....
The above is, of course...just my opinion......
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INCONSISTANCIES:
What about this one Barnaby pointed out the other day. Can we add this to the list? Though I suppose Kate could have put all 3 children in their PJ and got them ready for bed, then undressed them, bathed them, and then put them all back into their PJ's, and re-got them ready for bed...but it's very unlikely.
What about this one Barnaby pointed out the other day. Can we add this to the list? Though I suppose Kate could have put all 3 children in their PJ and got them ready for bed, then undressed them, bathed them, and then put them all back into their PJ's, and re-got them ready for bed...but it's very unlikely.
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They don't talk either.
The above is, of course...just my opinion......
But they do make mistakes.
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Lest we forget...Along with digraced Goncalo Amaral these are the type of cops who were running Madeleine's investigation. :crazy::crazy:
A law unto themselves!! :crazy::crazy: And the type of corrupt cops who will do anything to clear a case!! And to hell with the truth!!
Hi! I'm Refugee, previously known on Anorak as Ian and again on the 3 A's as Ian!
I got banned from Anorak for daring to call the Admin guy (one 'AGW') a bully (and also pointing out that the pro-McCanns on the site - who remain there still, were allowed total freedom of speech, whilst the likes of me who dared question the holy pair were silenced)
Then I got banned from the 3A's for pointing out that a certain millionaire 'businessman' was absolutely pivotal to the whole affair (as he pays, amongst many other things) for the spin doctor Clarence and the lawyers and also has his own lawyer on the board of the fund).
Anyway, maybe I'll last longer here?
Right, first post....
Inconsistency - Kate McCann told Woman's Hour and others that she couldnt tell us exactly how she was totally 100% certain the Madeleine was abducted, due to 'judicial secrecy'. She was later revealed as having refused to tell the PJ either!
Also, if she was so 100% sure, why didnt she immediately contact the police? Why werent they contacted until 40 minutes or so later?
I got banned from Anorak for daring to call the Admin guy (one 'AGW') a bully (and also pointing out that the pro-McCanns on the site - who remain there still, were allowed total freedom of speech, whilst the likes of me who dared question the holy pair were silenced)
Then I got banned from the 3A's for pointing out that a certain millionaire 'businessman' was absolutely pivotal to the whole affair (as he pays, amongst many other things) for the spin doctor Clarence and the lawyers and also has his own lawyer on the board of the fund).
Anyway, maybe I'll last longer here?
Right, first post....
Inconsistency - Kate McCann told Woman's Hour and others that she couldnt tell us exactly how she was totally 100% certain the Madeleine was abducted, due to 'judicial secrecy'. She was later revealed as having refused to tell the PJ either!
Also, if she was so 100% sure, why didnt she immediately contact the police? Why werent they contacted until 40 minutes or so later?
ban him !!
just joking -
you will find things a little slower paced here than the 3 arguidos - there are only about a dozen regular posters - things do though get just as heated at times as you probably can see .
surprised you got banned from the 3'As - They seem to allow a fair degree of latitude there. and as all the mods are pretty anti Mcaans you must have upset someone !!
I dont think they did it - but hey that is just my opinion !!
just joking -
you will find things a little slower paced here than the 3 arguidos - there are only about a dozen regular posters - things do though get just as heated at times as you probably can see .
surprised you got banned from the 3'As - They seem to allow a fair degree of latitude there. and as all the mods are pretty anti Mcaans you must have upset someone !!
I dont think they did it - but hey that is just my opinion !!
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Panorama Documentary:
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]At 6.30 Gerry McCann asks a friend, David Payne, to pop in on Kate to see if the children are coming down (to the tennis courts). He goes to the flat, he says all is well, but the children are too tired and are already in their pyjamas.[/FONT]
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RTP Documentary:
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]By 7pm Mr McCann returned from playing tennis and the couple bathed their children... [/FONT]
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REPLY: Excellent point, iW. To which I might add, for the record, that according to a number of other accounts, Gerry McCann had been on the tennis courts since 3.30pm, allegedly playing tennis with someone called 'Julian' until 4.30 when, again allegedly, his Achilles tendon started playing up and he couldn't carry on playing. One version of David Payne's visit to Apartment 5a at around 6.30pm was that Gerry sent him up there to ask if Kate was coming down with the kids to watch him playing tennis.
David Payne not only saw all the children in their pyjamas but also described them as all being dressed in white pyjamas and 'looking angelic'. To add to the confusion, Fiona Payne told the Portuguese police that she visited Apartment 5a with her husband David, but David said he went there without her.
Oh, and by the way, some of the 'Tapas 9' say they waved to Kate whilst she was on her own, jogging, on the beach, 'around 5.15pm to 5.20pm', the very same time when the nanny-with-the-poor-recollection-of-what-actually-happened-on-3rd-May, Charlotte Pennington, claims that she and Kate and her three children were all having 'high tea' together 'somewhere near the Tapas bar' at a place she was unable to name.
It's enough to make any thinking person conclude that they are all fabricating their evidence and covering something up
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& other reports say that Kate & Gerry picked the children up from the creche at 6pm while the others were having tea at a beach cafe as shown in the photograph!
Just a side note, I have strained my Achilles Tendon in the past & no way could I even think of playing tennis, it was painful even to walk!
ban him !!
just joking -
you will find things a little slower paced here than the 3 arguidos - there are only about a dozen regular posters - things do though get just as heated at times as you probably can see .
surprised you got banned from the 3'As - They seem to allow a fair degree of latitude there. and as all the mods are pretty anti Mcaans you must have upset someone !!
I dont think they did it - but hey that is just my opinion !!
Do what?!!!!
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Hi Refugee,
According to the PJ in their Final Report they were contacted much earlier than 40 minutes. In fact they were contacted within 10 minutes.
From Post 8 on the Final report thread.
"According to that police force, the disappearance would have occurred at 22H40 (later on it was verified that the detection and the subsequent alarm of the same, in reality happened, between 22H00 and 22H10 of the day 3 of May of 2007, in one of the apartments of the tourist resort Ocean Club, located at Vila da Luz, Lagos, where a family composed by a couple and 3 children under aged were staying".
It's correct that Kate couldn't talk about her statement due to the secrecy laws.
And she didn't answer the PJ's list of questions on the advice of her lawyer..which was her right.
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It really makes you wonder what the heck are they're really covering up? Whatever it is, it's HUGE since no matter how good a friend maybe they won't get involve in something like this unless they're involved themselves!
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Hi Refugee. I have bolded the print in your post in which I am replying to. I hope you don't mind.
I believe you are correct in your assumption. The following quote is from the final report. It says a lot actually:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2404444&postcount=8
Basically what the report is saying in my humble oppenion is, the Police originally believed that the disappearance happened at 10:40 pm, (When they were called). They later found out that Someone (KATE) actually sounded the alarm of the same, (meaning the disappearance) at approx, 10:00 to 10:10 pm from their apartment. It doesn't state someone (KATE) sounded the alarm to the police, just that they (KATE) sounded the alarm...(to the rest of the group.) The police report proves nothing other than the police were not contacted for approx. 40 minutes after Kate found Madeleine missing and sounded the alarm to the group. Of course, the Tapas 9 could have had their times wrong, they were, after all, on Holiday, Who watches the clock on holiday? However, if that is the case then, their complete timeline is a fraud.
Welcome to the board. I hope we hear more from you.
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iNTERESTED WOMAN asked:
"Who watches the clock on holiday?"
ANSWER: Anyone who leaves their young kids in their apartment on holiday whilst out wining and dining and has vowed to check them 'every half hour'. They will need their watches.
Unless there is a clock in the bar.
In which case they would be 'watching the clock on holiday'.
REMINDER:
Clarence Mitchell: 'None of them were wearing watches'
Clarence Mitchell correction three days later: "Er, some of them were wearing watches and some of them weren't"
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"Who watches the clock on holiday?"
ANSWER: Anyone who leaves their young kids in their apartment on holiday whilst out wining and dining and has vowed to check them 'every half hour'. They will need their watches.
Unless there is a clock in the bar.
In which case they would be 'watching the clock on holiday'.
REMINDER:
Clarence Mitchell: 'None of them were wearing watches'
Clarence Mitchell correction three days later: "Er, some of them were wearing watches and some of them weren't"
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From Enfants Kidnappes, http://www.kidnapping.be/affairemaddie13a/index.html
[Google translation]
The truth ... Nothing but the truth
August 13, 2008
The truth ... Nothing but the truth.
The press, or rather a certain press, whether one country or another, distorting, Invent désinforment and the public. In the only reasons to increase their circulation, certain media invent stories rocambolesques some more than others. And we do not only refer to the tabloid "The Sun" which nobody, time is a little smarter, does not believe any words. The press was amused to publish images broadcast thousand times last year claiming that this new avenues not considered by the PJ. All this is false. All these tracks are nothing new and they were verified by the PJ as it should. A simple example among many others, outside all these crazy stories concerning Belgium, is the story of the couple who had been seen with Madeleine three days after his disappearance. A cartoon (see cons), published in the "Mirror", was allegedly done by an artist on the basis of testimony of the witness: Anna Satm (sic). But this track has been verified. The results of investigations are on page 191 of the dossier. The famous couple was identified, heard and finally put out of question. The press knows, it is in the report! I can understand that this is the livelihood of such a newspaper to disclose false information, so long as such information is a sensational character. I imagine that if they continue, all to publish anything that they have an audience that enjoys it. We did not, by the association, to judge their readers. But where you can ask questions is on the reaction of parents and their spokespersons. We do not understand that they participate in this farce! The witness was invited to the UK to meet parents McCann and Clarence Mitchell. The portrait is available on the site of parents. A phone number is also given. However, Clarence Mitchell, McCann parents and their lawyers all have a copy of the file. Therefore they all know that these people have been identified and interviewed! One has the impression of playing in a huge play. A bad theater.
We should not draw a red ball on the British press! That would be too easy and not very biased(??). The Portuguese press is not free of article sensational. Thus we can read in part of the press that the diary of Kate is a false according to the investigators in charge of the dossier. A falsity to influence the investigation. In reality, the truth is slightly different. I had already explained in a previous article that the diary of a suspect has little value in the eyes of policemen. Knowing precisely that this journal serves little to influence the investigation or to divert suspicion. That is why police across the world, do not take into account. Even if a diary is seized, it was only an indication. In the event that a detail could be found but in no case evidence. La presse portugaise est allée un peu vite en conclusion. The Portuguese press went a little fast conclusion [jumped to a conclusion]. This is not the first time.
What to say? That everyone lies? Of course not. There are journalists, newspapers and media who do their work conscientiously. It must realize that the Portuguese MP delivered 11,000 pages of the dossier to the press of the existing 30,000. This means that there are still 19,000 pages which are still covered by the secrecy of justice! Clearly, this means that the press has no more information now than before. Everything that is in these 11,000 pages have already been released and published for over a year now. In these pages, there is nothing new! Nothing which has not already been spoken. The important issue lies in the remaining 19,000 pages! [emphasis mine]
For our part, we've decided to give you all the details of the case. Thus, over the next articles, we'll deliver the comments of police, witnesses and suspects, facts, places, times, dates etc etc. The whole as shown on record. Without add or remove any comma. That content goes in one direction or another, in full transparency. So you do more manipulated by one or the other, so you can form an opinion on the basis of REAL elements to the file content. We'll publish it and we attach, whenever a photo copy of what is on file in order to corroborate our writing. We would add, if necessary, a comment to clarify the approach of the police and the various aspects of the case. And to begin with, in each trial transcript of the police is a document that you all have. A document that police have already ask you on different occasions: Your Identity Card and / or your passport. So we begin with the identity card of the victim disappeared: Madeleine Beth McCann.
[Article ends with copy of Madeleine's passport.]
[Google translation]
The truth ... Nothing but the truth
August 13, 2008
The truth ... Nothing but the truth.
The press, or rather a certain press, whether one country or another, distorting, Invent désinforment and the public. In the only reasons to increase their circulation, certain media invent stories rocambolesques some more than others. And we do not only refer to the tabloid "The Sun" which nobody, time is a little smarter, does not believe any words. The press was amused to publish images broadcast thousand times last year claiming that this new avenues not considered by the PJ. All this is false. All these tracks are nothing new and they were verified by the PJ as it should. A simple example among many others, outside all these crazy stories concerning Belgium, is the story of the couple who had been seen with Madeleine three days after his disappearance. A cartoon (see cons), published in the "Mirror", was allegedly done by an artist on the basis of testimony of the witness: Anna Satm (sic). But this track has been verified. The results of investigations are on page 191 of the dossier. The famous couple was identified, heard and finally put out of question. The press knows, it is in the report! I can understand that this is the livelihood of such a newspaper to disclose false information, so long as such information is a sensational character. I imagine that if they continue, all to publish anything that they have an audience that enjoys it. We did not, by the association, to judge their readers. But where you can ask questions is on the reaction of parents and their spokespersons. We do not understand that they participate in this farce! The witness was invited to the UK to meet parents McCann and Clarence Mitchell. The portrait is available on the site of parents. A phone number is also given. However, Clarence Mitchell, McCann parents and their lawyers all have a copy of the file. Therefore they all know that these people have been identified and interviewed! One has the impression of playing in a huge play. A bad theater.
We should not draw a red ball on the British press! That would be too easy and not very biased(??). The Portuguese press is not free of article sensational. Thus we can read in part of the press that the diary of Kate is a false according to the investigators in charge of the dossier. A falsity to influence the investigation. In reality, the truth is slightly different. I had already explained in a previous article that the diary of a suspect has little value in the eyes of policemen. Knowing precisely that this journal serves little to influence the investigation or to divert suspicion. That is why police across the world, do not take into account. Even if a diary is seized, it was only an indication. In the event that a detail could be found but in no case evidence. La presse portugaise est allée un peu vite en conclusion. The Portuguese press went a little fast conclusion [jumped to a conclusion]. This is not the first time.
What to say? That everyone lies? Of course not. There are journalists, newspapers and media who do their work conscientiously. It must realize that the Portuguese MP delivered 11,000 pages of the dossier to the press of the existing 30,000. This means that there are still 19,000 pages which are still covered by the secrecy of justice! Clearly, this means that the press has no more information now than before. Everything that is in these 11,000 pages have already been released and published for over a year now. In these pages, there is nothing new! Nothing which has not already been spoken. The important issue lies in the remaining 19,000 pages! [emphasis mine]
For our part, we've decided to give you all the details of the case. Thus, over the next articles, we'll deliver the comments of police, witnesses and suspects, facts, places, times, dates etc etc. The whole as shown on record. Without add or remove any comma. That content goes in one direction or another, in full transparency. So you do more manipulated by one or the other, so you can form an opinion on the basis of REAL elements to the file content. We'll publish it and we attach, whenever a photo copy of what is on file in order to corroborate our writing. We would add, if necessary, a comment to clarify the approach of the police and the various aspects of the case. And to begin with, in each trial transcript of the police is a document that you all have. A document that police have already ask you on different occasions: Your Identity Card and / or your passport. So we begin with the identity card of the victim disappeared: Madeleine Beth McCann.
[Article ends with copy of Madeleine's passport.]
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2008/08/aerobic-instructor-short-statement.html
14.8.08
The aerobic instructor short statement
Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to PJ, on May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a “Quiz Game”, at night (09:00 pm), on Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.
On May 1, 2007, after the “Quiz” was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she don't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.
During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.
Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
May 1st?!?!
14.8.08
The aerobic instructor short statement
Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to PJ, on May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a “Quiz Game”, at night (09:00 pm), on Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.
On May 1, 2007, after the “Quiz” was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she don't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.
During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.
Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
May 1st?!?!
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2008/08/brian-kennedy-and-metodo-3-meet-pj.html
14.8.08
Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3 meet the PJ detectives
On October 19, 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.
The purpose of the meeting was to give PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention to interfere in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the Mccann, but for Brian Kennedy.
On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Franco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.
The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.
On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, no matter the McCann, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.
<much more>
14.8.08
Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3 meet the PJ detectives
On October 19, 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.
The purpose of the meeting was to give PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention to interfere in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the Mccann, but for Brian Kennedy.
On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Franco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.
The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.
On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, no matter the McCann, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.
<much more>
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First phone call to the police....
The Detectives from the Policia Judiciaria are the ones who didn’t arrive until 11.10pm.
And all this fits in with Mrs Fenn who after the first call offered to phone the police and was told they had already been called.
I wonder why the PJ chose not to include the time of the first phone call received in their Final Report?
Does anyone really think they don’t know it!!
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