Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 25

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  • #341
Respectfully snipped
Maybe Kate is a saint & I am evil but if it were me I am afraid I would be thinking about ripping this person apart limb by limb!

Barnaby - Umm....I don't think this is it:crazy: I'm willing to bet you are closer to saint hood than any parent who might be okay with putting a pedo in a nice place after the pedo releases their child.

Salem
 
  • #342
Brief update this morning folks....

I looked more closely this morning and there are probably closer to 5000 pages on this disk....

Here is a little tidbit that has not been published before (as far as I know).

The nightstand in the McCanns bedroom....

Nightstand.jpg


I don't know about you but this kind of stuff fascinates me....


...only four passports on the nightstand.
 
  • #343
I have copies of the creche sign in sheets....

PM me if you want more info.

Some of this stuff I cannot post because there are names, phone numbers, addresses, etc. and I don't want to violate anyone's privacy.

Let me know if you want to get info on anything specific....
 
  • #344
OMG! Colomon you are right only 4 passports! Surely PJ would have checked if Madeleine's passport was missing? Most peculiar unless PJ took it!
So they go out leave passports on full view like this & leave the apartment unlocked?? First thing I do is put Passports in the safe! Seems flippant to speak of leaving Passports when they left the kids!
 
  • #345
I have copies of the creche sign in sheets....

PM me if you want more info.

Some of this stuff I cannot post because there are names, phone numbers, addresses, etc. and I don't want to violate anyone's privacy.

Let me know if you want to get info on anything specific....

Oh, colomom, if only you were fluent in Portuguese! If you could just post the times when Madeleine was in and out of the creche on May the 3rd, just like 0900 1200 1300, etc., it would settle one of the longest-running discussions on this board. Thank you if you can- or even if you can't.
 
  • #346
What is that white thing on the nightstand above the passports? The thing with the buttons? Is it an mP3 player or some kind of blood-sugar testing device or...?
 
  • #347
What is that white thing on the nightstand above the passports? The thing with the buttons? Is it an mP3 player or some kind of blood-sugar testing device or...?

That looks like a packet of plasters to me with the blue "Boots" logo. Boots is a chain of pharmacies in UK. It is either plasters or tablets but not a device with buttons I think, although at first glance it looked like that to me also.
 
  • #348
OMG! Colomon you are right only 4 passports! Surely PJ would have checked if Madeleine's passport was missing? Most peculiar unless PJ took it!
So they go out leave passports on full view like this & leave the apartment unlocked?? First thing I do is put Passports in the safe! Seems flippant to speak of leaving Passports when they left the kids!

It was actually Morag that saw that (good eye Morag) and my thought was since this picture was taken after Maddie vanished then her passport was probably with the PJ. I have seen a picture of her passport (check here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2457067&postcount=132) so I know it does exist.

I hear you Morag about speaking Portuguese, I am seriously thinking about hiring someone to come sit with me....
 
  • #349
...only four passports on the nightstand.


I think there are actually 5,if you look closely just above the bottom one there seems to be one not in line with the others ie further in.
 
  • #350
Wow Colomom! I'm so impressed and so excited! Hot Diggety, the Source is at hand finally!

Can you PM me with info on the sign in sheets? I thought I'd be an elderly lady if and when we ever found out the answer to those questions.

:blowkiss:
 
  • #351
Wow Colomom! I'm so impressed and so excited! Hot Diggety, the Source is at hand finally!

Can you PM me with info on the sign in sheets? I thought I'd be an elderly lady if and when we ever found out the answer to those questions.

:blowkiss:


Details of the sign ins are on the 3As forum.
 
  • #352
Oh, colomom, if only you were fluent in Portuguese! If you could just post the times when Madeleine was in and out of the creche on May the 3rd, just like 0900 1200 1300, etc., it would settle one of the longest-running discussions on this board. Thank you if you can- or even if you can't.

Just so everyone knows...

Looks like checked in from 9:10AM to 12:25PM and then out from 12:25PM until 14:50 (2:50PM) when she checked back in, and out at 17:30 (5:30PM).
 
  • #353
Just so everyone knows...

Looks like checked in from 9:10AM to 12:25PM and then out from 12:25PM until 14:50 (2:50PM) when she checked back in, and out at 17:30 (5:30PM).

But what about the twins?
 
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Barnaby, I think that because it was an accident (even due to negligence) that is exactly why the "doctor" reflex kicked in.

They knew--or at least Gerry and some of them realized--that an accidental death would not be a simple matter of accident. They could very well lose the twins, and so they were desperate.

I just think that they were so caught up in the fear of losing the twins also that they did this. Particularly if, worst case scenario, Maddie fell and in coming home after a night out, they didn't even notice she wasn't in her bed.

Some professions seem to be a part of one's personality as well. I don't know any doctors that well, but I know from living with a civil engineer that the "engineer mindset" never really goes away. And my family tells me that I get a most annoying "teacher tone" to my voice and body language at times! I think it's plausible that at a time of crisis, the doctor training simply took over, in an automatic reflex. The same kind of brain that is able to think clearly during a cardiac arrest could function, under a perceived need, just as well to "save" his family.

Remember every positive word about moving on is/was about the twins. They have to keep reminding themselves of that.

That's why the words of Kate's diary ring both true and false. She really does miss Madeleine but she also knows Maddie is gone.


YES! Texana, this post is brilliant.

You guys also have to remember it was likely not her parents who discovered the body...one of the male doctors was gone from the table longest (Oldfield?)....He could have verified she was deceased and placed the body behind the sofa...The extra time could have been used up sanitizing the initial crime scene outside the apartment....Then Gerry's turn was used by walking Maddie down to the beach....Then Kate followed up with sounding the alarm.

There's not enough blood in the apartment to have the original event to have occurred there. But plenty of stone walkways outside for a fall to have necessitarily been fatal and flower beds to wash the blood and evidence away....flower beds where one of the dogs alerted.

Maddie was exactly the type of child who would have tried to escape the apartment to look for her parents....and she was likely sedated prior to the alleged fall.
 
  • #356
Yes, there are separate log sheets for the twins. There does not seem to be a copy of the 5/3 AM log sheet for the twins.

May 3rd

PM

Sean and Amelie -14:45 (2:45PM) to 17:25 (5:25PM)
 
  • #357
OMG! Colomon you are right only 4 passports! Surely PJ would have checked if Madeleine's passport was missing? Most peculiar unless PJ took it!
So they go out leave passports on full view like this & leave the apartment unlocked?? First thing I do is put Passports in the safe! Seems flippant to speak of leaving Passports when they left the kids!

What the freak? Seeing only four passports is bizarre enough, but to think they are just laying there to be stolen and no one took them is almost laughable. But then, so is a pedophile stealing one sleeping child when three are there for the taking.

And what are those pills in the box? Are those the paldol or something else? Benadryl?

Is there possibly a list of items in the apartment?

Gosh, Colomom! What a coup for you to get this in the mail! And all because you care so much, so this is well-deserved.
 
  • #358
What the freak? Seeing only four passports is bizarre enough, but to think they are just laying there to be stolen and no one took them is almost laughable. But then, so is a pedophile stealing one sleeping child when three are there for the taking.

And what are those pills in the box? Are those the paldol or something else? Benadryl?

Is there possibly a list of items in the apartment?

Gosh, Colomom! What a coup for you to get this in the mail! And all because you care so much, so this is well-deserved.

My son is going to try to sharpen the pic in Photoshop to see if we can see what is written on the box, will report back later.
 
  • #359
I think there are actually 5,if you look closely just above the bottom one there seems to be one not in line with the others ie further in.

I see what you mean, but it looks as though there is a white paper something, with black lettering, in that number 4 space next to the bottom.
At any rate, I don't think there is any genuine passport mystery, because if Madeleine's passport had gone missing, there would be a whole other dimension to this case.
 
  • #360
You guys are not going to believe what I received in the mail today....

I have the DVD with 2550 pages of the Policia Judiciaria files on the Madeleine McCann case!!!

Most of it is PDF (scans) of various documents like faxes, interview notes, e-mails, etc. and mostly in Portuguese but, there is alot of english also. There are many reports of sightings and something I was very happy to see, many communications between the British LE and the Portuguese LE. It confirms what I always thought, they were in close contact!!

I have barely scratched the surface but I will look at every page and I will read what I can and try to find someone to help me read the Portuguese.

It is a pretty cool feeling to know that I am probably the only one in the USA that has this DVD.

Time for a banana dance.... :bananapowerslide:
Wow, Colomom - what a bonanza of info that will be!!
Just curious: how did you obtain the DVD?
 
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