Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[brit1981]

I think that some of the allegations and assertions from Team McCann and supporters are grossly inaccurate and would not stand up in a court of law.

Such as...? I have not heard any. The inaccuracies I have heard come from those who seem to hate them- such as the dog alert always means a body is presenty, such as finding fifteen of madeleines nineteen elements in a mix of three to five people's DNA fround in a place her family used is indicitive of it being her DNA (even comparing it to getting 15 out of 19 in a test), that the mccanns could legally have set the fund up as a charity, that their body language is not right, that they sedated their childrehn, that calpol is a sedative, that they may have blackmailed peopel with intimate videos, that there was a cover-up etc. So far not one person making claims like this has actual been able to use facts to substantiate them.

I think that Madeleine is completely overlooked and completely lost in all the spin.

Well considering some individuels want the police to stop reviewing her case, declare her dead, and have described in great length how they find pictures of her eatign an ice cream sexually suggestive it might be better for her if people like that did overlook her.

I think that her case is the most blatant travesty in so-called "justice" in UK legal history.

Anything to back this up with?

I think that those surrounding Madeleine have been allowed to publicly claim funds, sympathy and entitlements that other people would not.

If people do nto have sympathy for the family of a missing child it is a sad day, and except from the SY review no public funds have gone to the fund, and anything given to them has been volunteered. It is not really anyone elses business if individuels donate to the fund.

I think the entire mess should be reexamined in a transparent manner by IMPARTIAL experts in a public forum.

Since when do police investigations operate in a public forum? madeleine needs to be found, the police need to investigate. Stopping the investigation and holding some public enquiry for the pleasure of a few individuels is wrong, and is not going to happen. It woudl be an abuse of madeline's rights.

I think a coronial inquiry should be held and everything and everybody dragged kicking and screaming into the light, and forced to answer questions on record in a court of law.

Unless madeleine is declared dead a coronor cannot hold an inquest, so for your wish to be granted a toddler has to be decalred dead and the search for her halted.

Until then Team McCann can pat themselves on the back for a job well done. The Spin Doctors show us that "justice" can indeed be bought in the UK.

Once again do you have any proof of this claim, it sounds as if you are accusing the british justice system of accepting bribes is this what you mean?[/QUOTE]

 

[SapphireSteel]

I think that some of the allegations and assertions from Team McCann and supporters are grossly inaccurate and would not stand up in a court of law.

Such as...? I have not heard any. The inaccuracies I have heard come from those who seem to hate them- such as the dog alert always means a body is presenty, such as finding fifteen of madeleines nineteen elements in a mix of three to five people's DNA fround in a place her family used is indicitive of it being her DNA (even comparing it to getting 15 out of 19 in a test), that the mccanns could legally have set the fund up as a charity, that their body language is not right, that they sedated their childrehn, that calpol is a sedative, that they may have blackmailed peopel with intimate videos, that there was a cover-up etc. So far not one person making claims like this has actual been able to use facts to substantiate them.

I think that Madeleine is completely overlooked and completely lost in all the spin.

Well considering some individuels want the police to stop reviewing her case, declare her dead, and have described in great length how they find pictures of her eatign an ice cream sexually suggestive it might be better for her if people like that did overlook her.

I think that her case is the most blatant travesty in so-called "justice" in UK legal history.

Anything to back this up with?

I think that those surrounding Madeleine have been allowed to publicly claim funds, sympathy and entitlements that other people would not.

If people do nto have sympathy for the family of a missing child it is a sad day, and except from the SY review no public funds have gone to the fund, and anything given to them has been volunteered. It is not really anyone elses business if individuels donate to the fund.

I think the entire mess should be reexamined in a transparent manner by IMPARTIAL experts in a public forum.

Since when do police investigations operate in a public forum? madeleine needs to be found, the police need to investigate. Stopping the investigation and holding some public enquiry for the pleasure of a few individuels is wrong, and is not going to happen. It woudl be an abuse of madeline's rights.

I think a coronial inquiry should be held and everything and everybody dragged kicking and screaming into the light, and forced to answer questions on record in a court of law.

Unless madeleine is declared dead a coronor cannot hold an inquest, so for your wish to be granted a toddler has to be decalred dead and the search for her halted.

Until then Team McCann can pat themselves on the back for a job well done. The Spin Doctors show us that "justice" can indeed be bought in the UK.

Once again do you have any proof of this claim, it sounds as if you are accusing the british justice system of accepting bribes is this what you mean?[/QUOTE]

As my posts are OPINION (albeit one shared by the lead investigators) I have no need to provide "proof".

This is not a court of law, this is a thread for "discussion and opinion" on Madeleine.


:rocker:

 

[brit1981]

As my posts are OPINION (albeit one shared by the lead investigators) I have no need to provide "proof".

This is not a court of law, this is a thread for "discussion and opinion" on Madeleine.


:rocker:

So let me get this straight on the one hand you want a coronors inquest (which means declaring madeleine dead), but on the other hand you are claiming you have no evidence that madeleine is dead or that there has been any travesty of UK justice. And the PJ have said they have no evidence the McCanns did anything illegal, and the only person clinging to their guilt is a convicted criminal who was only on the case for a few months.

But surely if adults want a toddler declared dead it is better to have actual evidence that she is in fact dead.

How would any of us feel if random strangers set up internet discussions about how we wer eobviously child abusers and the government was covering it up for us, and then they claimed it was OK they said this with no evidence because it is just their opinion? I know I would be devastated. Madeleine and her family are real people, not characters in a soap opera, they have feelings, emotions just like we all do.

 

[SapphireSteel]

So let me get this straight on the one hand you want a coronors inquest (which means declaring madeleine dead), but on the other hand you are claiming you have no evidence that madeleine is dead or that there has been any travesty of UK justice. And the PJ have said they have no evidence the McCanns did anything illegal, and the only person clinging to their guilt is a convicted criminal who was only on the case for a few months.

But surely if adults want a toddler declared dead it is better to have actual evidence that she is in fact dead.

How would any of us feel if random strangers set up internet discussions about how we wer eobviously child abusers and the government was covering it up for us, and then they claimed it was OK they said this with no evidence because it is just their opinion? I know I would be devastated. Madeleine and her family are real people, not characters in a soap opera, they have feelings, emotions just like we all do.

They do?

Sorry, must've missed those.

All I see is two media savvy so-called parents who have managed to turn their own neglect of their child into a multi million dollar empire then try to silence and ruin absolutely everyone's reputation who may not agree with their "mystery abductor" (lack of evidence, etc).

My heart bleeds...

 

[badhorsie]

Indeed.

Who's going to say the dogs are right either?

When it comes right down to it, who's actually got physical proof that Madeleine even existed in the first place?

:banghead:

Oh for the love of God....

 

[SapphireSteel]

Oh for the love of God....

I was being facetious.

:cow:

 

[fabgod]

For anyone with an open mind, this is quite a good read

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

It starts with the most recent post but at the bottom you can use "older posts" to see the earlier ones.

 

[SapphireSteel]

For anyone with an open mind, this is quite a good read

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

It starts with the most recent post but at the bottom you can use "older posts" to see the earlier ones.

Thank you for posting.

The first entry I read reminded me of the thing I found strangest at the time of the original investigation...The Pope Visit.

At the time, it was what pushed me off the fence, once and for all.

Madeleine had really only been missing a matter of days, and Kate went jetting off for a personal audience with the Pope.

While I understand this is the equivalent of meeting the Queen for a royalist, it just seemed to be to be absolutely inexplicable.

Here is a mother whose baby girl is "abducted" in a foreign country by an unknown man. Imagination would run wild. What was she being subjected to? At the very moment I as a mum, was washing my hair or brushing my teeth, was my baby being frightened, or hurt, or worse?

What if she was found?

What if she was found, alive, tortured, about to be raped or trafficked?

What if she was found in the next town, or in a farmhouse 5km away, scared and hurt and crying for her mummy?

What if she was found and I was NOT THERE FOR HER???????? (again).

What if she was found scared, hurt, crying, traumatised, and the police had to say, "mummy will be here soon, she's had to go away for a while to visit the POPE?"

:banghead:

Kate went to visit the pope because she knew Madeleine was not going to be found alive.

Catholics visit their priests for absolution. They visit their CHURCH to pray.

Kate visited the Pope for Kate.

:cow:

 

[Clutchbag]

it is clear to anyone who is not blind that everything is about a dead child and this has all been an ar se covering exercise by the parents and their personal redemption ie an accident though probably even if im not sure about that, katie does seem to have a terrible temper judging from what she wrote in her awful book, the one blaming everone and everything under the sun, we cant forget the fraud angle and themprocuring millions and not being transparent in their accounts on what it has been spent on year on year, in fact they have actually lied on camera saying every penny has gone on the search fees for madeleine when its a fact it has not

Nemesis karma hubris, oh my i wouldnt like to be them

 

[Clutchbag]

More crapola for anyone interested
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...-been-watched-from-balcony-witness-tells-Yard

 

[Clutchbag]

For anyone with an open mind, this is quite a good read

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

It starts with the most recent post but at the bottom you can use "older posts" to see the earlier ones.

wow that man has their measure, excellent!!

 

[fabgod]

More crapola for anyone interested
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...-been-watched-from-balcony-witness-tells-Yard

LOL!
another regurgitated story from over a month ago, its like paid for advertising, so what is coming out that needs to be covered up?

 

[Clutchbag]

LOL!
another regurgitated story from over a month ago, its like paid for advertising, so what is coming out that needs to be covered up?

yes, it appeared in a spanish newspaper, funny how the witness has changed sex now back to the original graham LOL


http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-n...link-overlooked-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case/

Fabgod I have no idea what the papers are playing at but I hope its good

 

[SapphireSteel]

wow that man has their measure, excellent!!

He certainly does.

I appreciate that he isn't focusing on the the original investigation, but on the corruption and spin that has grown up along side it.

A very interesting commentary indeed on the failings of the media and government in the UK.

Interesting times.

 

[brit1981]

Quote:
Originally Posted by brit1981

As my posts are OPINION (albeit one shared by the lead investigators) I have no need to provide "proof".

This is not a court of law, this is a thread for "discussion and opinion" on Madeleine.


funny how some canget wound up lol
if theresnothingwrong inthis tall tale

Er I was actually quoting sapphire (from post 655 in this thread), so it was sapphire saying she had no need to provide proof not me.

 

[brit1981]

Thank you for posting.

The first entry I read reminded me of the thing I found strangest at the time of the original investigation...The Pope Visit.

At the time, it was what pushed me off the fence, once and for all.

Madeleine had really only been missing a matter of days, and Kate went jetting off for a personal audience with the Pope.

While I understand this is the equivalent of meeting the Queen for a royalist, it just seemed to be to be absolutely inexplicable.

Here is a mother whose baby girl is "abducted" in a foreign country by an unknown man. Imagination would run wild. What was she being subjected to? At the very moment I as a mum, was washing my hair or brushing my teeth, was my baby being frightened, or hurt, or worse?

What if she was found?

What if she was found, alive, tortured, about to be raped or trafficked?

What if she was found in the next town, or in a farmhouse 5km away, scared and hurt and crying for her mummy?

What if she was found and I was NOT THERE FOR HER???????? (again).

What if she was found scared, hurt, crying, traumatised, and the police had to say, "mummy will be here soon, she's had to go away for a while to visit the POPE?"

:banghead:

Kate went to visit the pope because she knew Madeleine was not going to be found alive.

Catholics visit their priests for absolution. They visit their CHURCH to pray.

Kate visited the Pope for Kate.

:cow:

kate never had a personal audicence with the Pope. She went to the Mass, and during the walk out the Pope came over to them and blessed a picture of Madeliene. yes Roman catholics do visit their priests for absolution (just like many anglicans do, especially if they are high church), but they also visit them for comfort. All hospitals in the UK will arrange visits from a religious leader for people who are ill and this includes Roman Catholics (who often have someone based at the hospital). To be honest it is bordering on discrimination to use the fact the Pope blessed madeleine's picture against them.

 

[SapphireSteel]

kate never had a personal audicence with the Pope. She went to the Mass, and during the walk out the Pope came over to them and blessed a picture of Madeliene. yes Roman catholics do visit their priests for absolution (just like many anglicans do, especially if they are high church), but they also visit them for comfort. All hospitals in the UK will arrange visits from a religious leader for people who are ill and this includes Roman Catholics (who often have someone based at the hospital). To be honest it is bordering on discrimination to use the fact the Pope blessed madeleine's picture against them.

My point is not about religion, as such.

Regardless of whom she went to visit, I find it extremely nauseating and callous beyond belief that Kate left Portugal at the very time her traumatised, injured and distressed baby may have been found in some pedo's clutches, calling for her mummy.

There is a church and a priest in PDL for religious comfort and guidance, who was extremely accommodating and supportive. Not good enough for Kate apparently who said she could NEVER envision leaving Portugal without Madeleine and proceeded to do just that.

Where I come from, that is called a "lie".

:cow:

 

[brit1981]

You have no idea what was going through her mind when they decided to go to Rome, as far as I am aware it was not actually to see the Pope.

As for the express story this is based on an interview with the witness, and is about how SY have interviewed him. I hardly think the express are involved in a cover-up in regards to madeleine mccann.

 

[Donjeta]

OK, so if the Pope is out as the motive, what is it then?

I just find this a bit bizarre the way it's being discussed. Like meeting the Pope is strange and any other reason would be totally benign. To me it's rather the other way around. While choosing to go to Rome to meet the Pope at such a time might seem strange, the Pope is...well, you know, the Pope, and religious Catholics wanting to meet him at any time would be understandable to me.

But scratch the Pope as the motive and ditch the search for your missing child in order to fly to Rome... to do what? Visit the Vatican? See an Eros Ramazzotti concert? The Colosseum has been there for thousands of years and will be for a while yet and this is the time you pick to go sightseeing?

To me that would be weirder, not less weird than wanting to meet the Pope.

Are there indications that Madeleine was kidnapped by the mafia or something?

 

[fabgod]

Rome awaits...

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to"

– Kate McCanns' diary, 27th of May, as reported in Correio da Manhã 26 July 2007

taken from here
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id91.html

It was hardly a chance visit to the Vatican where the Pope just happened to walk over!