Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[brit1981]

I do not think many parents actively search. Winnie Johnson was a bit different because she knew who had killed her child, and the area where he was buried so had somewhere to make a start. Poor lady she had the worst of both worlds really, although she at least knew what had happened to her child, she had all hope removed, and had every parent's worst nightmare confirmed, and she never got the closure, as it were, of being able to find her child and give him a proper burial. She died knowing her was out there on the moors alone.
As for other parents, I do not think any two families react in the same way, it is such a personal thing. I think some families convince themselves there loved one is still alive, whereas other belive they have died. I know katrice Lee Major's family believe she is still alive, whereas Suzy Lamplugh (who was in her twenties though, but a child is still a child to the parents) family quickly believed she had died, and her mother said in an interview that they accepted not getting her body back, and that they felt they did not need it to grieve because it was not really her.
I also think LE ask parents not to physically look themselves (Keith bennett's family ask people not to make searches themselves too)

 

[Gem2626]

I do not think many parents actively search. Winnie Johnson was a bit different because she knew who had killed her child, and the area where he was buried so had somewhere to make a start. Poor lady she had the worst of both worlds really, although she at least knew what had happened to her child, she had all hope removed, and had every parent's worst nightmare confirmed, and she never got the closure, as it were, of being able to find her child and give him a proper burial. She died knowing her was out there on the moors alone.
As for other parents, I do not think any two families react in the same way, it is such a personal thing. I think some families convince themselves there loved one is still alive, whereas other belive they have died. I know katrice Lee Major's family believe she is still alive, whereas Suzy Lamplugh (who was in her twenties though, but a child is still a child to the parents) family quickly believed she had died, and her mother said in an interview that they accepted not getting her body back, and that they felt they did not need it to grieve because it was not really her.
I also think LE ask parents not to physically look themselves (Keith bennett's family ask people not to make searches themselves too)

In regards to Winnie Johnson

'Some days she would go up to the moor and dig with her bare hands into the mud'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-winnie-johnson-defeated-ian-1272827

Breaks my heart


There's some interesting info here about searching particularly towards the end of the page....

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077768/Rebuttal of "Fact" 18

Early on in the investiagtion it was thought that Madeleine had been taken out of the country. When you've got the whole of the world to search where do you begin? In the Alaskan wilderness? The Sahara desert? The indian ocean?

 

[SapphireSteel]

In regards to Winnie Johnson

'Some days she would go up to the moor and dig with her bare hands into the mud'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-winnie-johnson-defeated-ian-1272827

Breaks my heart


There's some interesting info here about searching particularly towards the end of the page....

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077768/Rebuttal of "Fact" 18

Early on in the investiagtion it was thought that Madeleine had been taken out of the country. When you've got the whole of the world to search where do you begin? In the Alaskan wilderness? The Sahara desert? The indian ocean?

The Portugese started at their borders.

I would guess once a child gets out of a country, it becomes an Interpol investigation.

:dunno:

This aspect has always bothered me. If Madeleine was indeed abducted by a pedophile ring as Team McCann suggest, why would they create a private company dedicated to Madeleines search alone to administer the funds donated?

A "ring" implies organisation and other victims. It would make more sense to actually offer funds to searches for other missing presumed abducted children, in the hope that it would LEAD to Madeleine?

That would truly be leaving "no stone unturned" in my opinion.

:moo:

 

[Gem2626]

The Portugese started at their borders.

I would guess once a child gets out of a country, it becomes an Interpol investigation.

:dunno:

This aspect has always bothered me. If Madeleine was indeed abducted by a pedophile ring as Team McCann suggest, why would they create a private company dedicated to Madeleines search alone to administer the funds donated?

A "ring" implies organisation and other victims. It would make more sense to actually offer funds to searches for other missing presumed abducted children, in the hope that it would LEAD to Madeleine?

That would truly be leaving "no stone unturned" in my opinion.

:moo:

Yeah maybe. I'm sure they were advised on this and I don't know if it benefits the advisor or the mccanns in doing it this way.

I guess these other organisations could still come across Madeleine in the searches. In a way it could be seen that they've taken the best option as they have an indirect and direct search for her.

 

[Gem2626]

No it was not. If you watch the interview with kate's father he never once stated that calpol was used as a sedative. he actually said that when it came to medicines, the most the childen were ever given as far as he was aware was perhaps calpol like nearly all parents.

calpol is not a sedative, and what is more when her father was asked about sedative she said they never gave the children sedatives. It is a distortion when people have claimed the children were sedated with calpol, he never said this at all.

Just backing what you have said up

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077700/Rebuttal of "Fact" 13

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I am fairly new to the MM forum and have spent some time lurking and reading. IMO, a lot of evidence seems to implicate the parents.

What I don't understand is if the parents were involved, why do they continue to put themselves out there in the media? If it were my child, I wouldn't care about what people said about me, I would do that it takes to keep my child's face out there. Why wouldn't the parents do what Jon Benet's parents did and quietly slip from the public eye? This is the part that makes me hold out hope.

FTR - I would love it if they did an advertising campaign to educate other parents about the dangers of leaving children unattended while on vacation. Maybe with a age-progressed photo of MM at the end to remind people she is still missing.

Actually, John Ramsey did a press tour in March 2012 to promote his book. He was on so many different shows on every TV network, not to mention interviews with major magazines. Patsy Ramsey was still doing interviews right up until her death in June 2006. He did A LOT of interviews this year for someone whose child was murdered 16 years ago; a lot more than Deborah and Jeremy Irwin did, whose child went missing in October. But in his case, the suspicious part is he did all these interviews to promote his book and put money in his pocket.

 

[fabgod]

Actually, John Ramsey did a press tour in March 2012 to promote his book. He was on so many different shows on every TV network, not to mention interviews with major magazines. Patsy Ramsey was still doing interviews right up until her death in June 2006. He did A LOT of interviews this year for someone whose child was murdered 16 years ago; a lot more than Deborah and Jeremy Irwin did, whose child went missing in October. But in his case, the suspicious part is he did all these interviews to promote his book and put money in his pocket.

Hi Eileenhawkeye
Does the money from his book go to John Ramsey or does it go to charity?

 

[fabgod]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ggests-Madeleine-probe-may-be-wound-down.html

Interesting report saying the Madeleine review may be wound down.

It is rather strange that he goes on to mention that by Christmas he would want a very clear view of what work is outstanding, there doesn't seem to be much urgency considering Andy Redwood "believes" Madeleine could be alive?

I wonder if he also "believes" she will be okay where she is for the next few months?

 

[badhorsie]

This is very disheartening, I cannot imagine how her parents feel. It is beginning to sound like a paper exercise

 

[fabgod]

I have to agree badhorsie, Surely the issue is to find the child?
I was going to say "there must come a point when the research stops" but actually, the research should have stopped the minute that one of the so called 195 historical leads showed up.
If Scotland yard truly believed that Madeleine was alive, they wouldn't be considering Portugals position as lead investigators, they would be looking for an English child.
by the time christmas comes it will be what, 20 months?

It just seems like Politics to me, ticking the boxes to keep people on side, win a few sympathy votes.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Hi Eileenhawkeye
Does the money from his book go to John Ramsey or does it go to charity?

It goes to John Ramsey.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The McCanns and the Ramseys...

One wrote the instruction manual, the other followed it...

ullhair:

 

[fabgod]

It goes to John Ramsey.

Thanks eileenhawkeye
So he is profiting from the death of his daughter then?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Thanks eileenhawkeye
So he is profiting from the death of his daughter then?

The Ramseys got a $600k advance for their first book in 2000. I don't know how much John got for his second book. Also, the R's have done many interviews where they showed new pictures of JonBenet. If the Anthonys got paid for pictures of Caylee, why wouldn't they? Lastly, back in 2000, for their first sit-down interview, there was a battle between the networks to see who could they get them. ABC "won" and you can't tell me that money was being thrown around.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The Ramseys got a $600k advance for their first book in 2000. I don't know how much John got for his second book. Also, the R's have done many interviews where they showed new pictures of JonBenet. If the Anthonys got paid for pictures of Caylee, why wouldn't they? Lastly, back in 2000, for their first sit-down interview, there was a battle between the networks to see who could they get them. ABC "won" and you can't tell me that money was being thrown around.

Well you can't blame him, being so poor and all...

ullhair:

 

[fabgod]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4515088/Maddie-McCann-parents-1m-bid-over-lies.html

The Uk press are beginning to print articles for the upcoming libel case between the McCanns and the former investigating officer of the Portuguese police.

Interesting to note the recent "sighting" seemingly almost to order, I wonder what is coming in the next couple of weeks before the court case?

I also read that there are reports that the McCanns have applied to the courts in Portugal to divide the assets owned by Goncalo Amaral and his wife so that they can "take" them as part of their claim, in other words part of his pension and half of the house he shares with his wife and children.
This guy has written a book that states his beliefs as to what happened in may 2007 form his own experience and findings of the PJ, the McCanns are seemingly not interested in how their actions will affect two more innocent children then?

 

[SapphireSteel]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4515088/Maddie-McCann-parents-1m-bid-over-lies.html

The Uk press are beginning to print articles for the upcoming libel case between the McCanns and the former investigating officer of the Portuguese police.

Interesting to note the recent "sighting" seemingly almost to order, I wonder what is coming in the next couple of weeks before the court case?

I also read that there are reports that the McCanns have applied to the courts in Portugal to divide the assets owned by Goncalo Amaral and his wife so that they can "take" them as part of their claim, in other words part of his pension and half of the house he shares with his wife and children.
This guy has written a book that states his beliefs as to what happened in may 2007 form his own experience and findings of the PJ, the McCanns are seemingly not interested in how their actions will affect two more innocent children then?

It's quite clear to me what is important to the McCanns.

Instead of welcoming the chance to read the inner thoughts of the lead investigator (and perhaps finding a clue or inconsistency that will CLEAR them) they try to suppress it, when that fails, they go after his money.

Money is the driving motivation for everything they do.

The fund is running low, as is the sympathy of onlookers.

Time to launch another attack/allegation...none of which have ever moved the recovery of Madeleine forward, one iota.

In amongst all the lawyers and PR there remains one lost little girl...seemingly the least important concern for Team McCann.

ullhair:

 

[brit1981]

Amaral is already in major financial difficulties as he has had problems with tax, and has now been ordered to pay the costs of people he took to the criminal courts for libel. There had alreayd been an issue of divinging his assets from thos eof his wife in relation to these cases I believe.
Why should amaral be able to take people to court for libel, then whine that when the same happens to him it is unfair. Let the courts decide if what he says amounts to libel under Portuguese law.
I have not noticed a lack of sympathy for the mccanns. There is a small band of fanatics who cause trouble, and spout spite, but they do the same for other cases as well it is just the mccanns is the most internationally known (for instance they are claiming that the family of a little girl who was grabbed off the street and murdered by a paedophile had sexually abused her because according to their logic paedophiles only kidnap victims of abuse! they also say the little child is also partly to blame for her own murder since she might have willingly got into the killers vehicle!), so I do not think a lack of sympathy from people like that is an issue.

 

[Clutchbag]

Amaral has not libeled the Mccanns. He wrote about the police investigation and it's findings until October 2007 when he got took off the case, and which investigation after that with a new leader never reached any other conclusion than that the Mccanns covered up the death or their daughter, and as a police investigation,can never be libelous. 5)3 final report of the judge also confirmed the polices view was plausible for want of a different word. He said to date it is not known if there was an abduction or a homicide, accidental or intentional and also that there were many questions remaining unanswered about the family and their friends. They were releases of suspect status due to lack of concrete evidence to charge with any crime, and the case was shelved.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The McCanns and the Ramseys...

One wrote the instruction manual, the other followed it...

ullhair:

:rocker: :clap::clap::clap: Very well said ... and I totally agree !

:seeya: