Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

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  • #801
The police never concluded that they had a hand in it !!!

The PJ conclusion was that it was not possible to make any conclusion about what happened to madeleine or where about she is ie there was no conclusive evidence about what happened ............

To say otherwise is just not accurate
the main thingis police never exonerated them therefore they are still persons of interest As well as anyone else

infact even KM inher book of rewritten histoey stated the british police said there was nothing in the files which cleared them and this is true to this day, theyhave never been cleared of all suspicion


im interested gord do you believe there was an abduction?
Dont forget the final report never once said the initial police report from sept 07 was wrong ie that the dogs pointed to a death and concealment
 
  • #802
the main thingis police never exonerated them therefore they are still persons of interest As well as anyone else

infact even KM inher book of rewritten histoey stated the british police said there was nothing in the files which cleared them and this is true to this day, theyhave never been cleared of all suspicion


im interested gord do you believe there was an abduction?
Dont forget the final report never once said the initial police report from sept 07 was wrong ie that the dogs pointed to a death and concealment

In the five years that I have followed this case I always consistently said that I do not know what happened to madeleine. The case is a mystery

But with evidence and facts presented to me I do not think that the Mccanns were complicit in the murder or disposal of the body. - that is my opinion and until otherwise proved will remain so

I would be foolish to say that I am 100% correct as anything is possible in any case. But I have never seen a realistic argument on how the Mccanns could have disposed of the body in the time frame they had - as we have seen the GNR were on the scene by 11.00pm amd they had sniffer dogs on the scene that night , plus a whole lot more the next few days. The beach was combed and there was a massive search.

The only reasonable opnclusion in my mind is that the body was not in the vicinty -

I do agree that the timeline for abduction was tight - but it wasnt impossible . The door was unlocked and it takes minutes for a person to walk in to the room pick uo a sleeping maddy and walk out the front door and into a car - there would be no forensic evidence to be found - especialy as you had many people entering the flat that night from GNR to all the friends who were looking.

I can only go on what i read as official reports - the PJ state in black and white that they had no evidence to take the case further - hence they were never charged. - people might have their own individual suspicions but as far as the law is concerned tbey are free citizens . I dont no what else you want. Of course if something crops up later that implicates them they can be arrested and charged . Thats how law and society works.

Remember the phrase innocent until proven guilty ? I dont know where you live but it is the basis of law in my country , We dont practise guilty until you can prove your innocence which is what it seems the mccanns have to do in some peoples eyes.

This case is mystery - and still is. The one thing that does get frustrating is the outlandish theories that get bandied about - on other sites as well as here - from swinging , to sex trade , and now as we have seen the conspiracy that involves a deliberate cover up that seems to involve three countries two prime ministers two ambassadors the judicary and goodness knows what else, - but hey maybe she was abducted ny little green men who came from outer space

so that is where I stand - until I see propeer evidence that stands up in a court of law that is where I remain
 
  • #803
gord you can think what you like and ignore the mountains of lies and discrepancies its ur choice


shelving a case and releasing suspects without charge never means they are innocent, thats the bottom line here

with no apprehension of any abductor they will always have suspicion hanging over them for many reasons and not without cause

there has been no court case ergo they have not beendeclared innocent by anybody at all

lets not forget the cadaver dog reacting to 13 places surrounding the mccanns in this case, and Nowhere else, hardly something u can just brush under the carpet cos it suits or u cant bear to countenance the possibility that maddie died in that flat!!!
 
  • #804
In the five years that I have followed this case I always consistently said that I do not know what happened to madeleine. The case is a mystery

But with evidence and facts presented to me I do not think that the Mccanns were complicit in the murder or disposal of the body. - that is my opinion and until otherwise proved will remain so

I would be foolish to say that I am 100% correct as anything is possible in any case. But I have never seen a realistic argument on how the Mccanns could have disposed of the body in the time frame they had - as we have seen the GNR were on the scene by 11.00pm amd they had sniffer dogs on the scene that night , plus a whole lot more the next few days. The beach was combed and there was a massive search.

The only reasonable opnclusion in my mind is that the body was not in the vicinty -

I do agree that the timeline for abduction was tight - but it wasnt impossible . The door was unlocked and it takes minutes for a person to walk in to the room pick uo a sleeping maddy and walk out the front door and into a car - there would be no forensic evidence to be found - especialy as you had many people entering the flat that night from GNR to all the friends who were looking.

I can only go on what i read as official reports - the PJ state in black and white that they had no evidence to take the case further - hence they were never charged. - people might have their own individual suspicions but as far as the law is concerned tbey are free citizens . I dont no what else you want. Of course if something crops up later that implicates them they can be arrested and charged . Thats how law and society works.

Remember the phrase innocent until proven guilty ? I dont know where you live but it is the basis of law in my country , We dont practise guilty until you can prove your innocence which is what it seems the mccanns have to do in some peoples eyes.

This case is mystery - and still is. The one thing that does get frustrating is the outlandish theories that get bandied about - on other sites as well as here - from swinging , to sex trade , and now as we have seen the conspiracy that involves a deliberate cover up that seems to involve three countries two prime ministers two ambassadors the judicary and goodness knows what else, - but hey maybe she was abducted ny little green men who came from outer space

so that is where I stand - until I see propeer evidence that stands up in a court of law that is where I remain

Check out wikileaks on the McCann.

There is absolute proof that Blair, Brown and now Cameron have all had involvement in this case. This is not in question...so you really can't question it. :waitasec:

You need to do some more research, then ask yourself -

Would Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and David Cameron have involved themselves in the Shannon Matthews abduction?

Of course not.

So WHY MADELEINES????

:banghead:
 
  • #805
Check out wikileaks on the McCann.

There is absolute proof that Blair, Brown and now Cameron have all had involvement in this case. This is not in question...so you really can't question it. :waitasec:

You need to do some more research, then ask yourself -

Would Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and David Cameron have involved themselves in the Shannon Matthews abduction?

Of course not.

So WHY MADELEINES????

:banghead:

I agree -and why would the McCanns have a spokesman.

No other missing child case has involved the government.


No other parent of a missing child were pre planning fund raising events as the McCanns were doing.

What ever happened -The McCanns have been supported from the very top of British establishment.

People are now questioning how Jimmy Savile got away with his crimes for so long ?
I am asking the question..
Why have The McCanns got along with it so long?

The answer is the same in both cases:

Friends in high places and lawyers ready to sue any one who dares write the truth.
 
  • #806
Check out wikileaks on the McCann.

There is absolute proof that Blair, Brown and now Cameron have all had involvement in this case. This is not in question...so you really can't question it. :waitasec:

You need to do some more research, then ask yourself -

Would Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and David Cameron have involved themselves in the Shannon Matthews abduction?

Of course not.

So WHY MADELEINES????

:banghead:

I would suggest you inform the authorities of your absolute proof that now THREE prime ministers have involvement in this case - I am sure you might find someone who would be prepared to investigate

What about the American Ambassador as well dont forget him too

#toofunny
 
  • #807
gord you can think what you like and ignore the mountains of lies and discrepancies its ur choice


shelving a case and releasing suspects without charge never means they are innocent, thats the bottom line here

with no apprehension of any abductor they will always have suspicion hanging over them for many reasons and not without cause

there has been no court case ergo they have not beendeclared innocent by anybody at all

lets not forget the cadaver dog reacting to 13 places surrounding the mccanns in this case, and Nowhere else, hardly something u can just brush under the carpet cos it suits or u cant bear to countenance the possibility that maddie died in that flat!!!

so in your world anyone who has ever been investigated for a crime but never charged is guilty until they can prove otherwise ??

again the basis of justice in a modern society is Innocent until proven guilty
 
  • #808
Kate forced political pressure, 26 July 2008


Kate forced political pressure Correio da Manhã

Revelations – Maddie's mother's notes prove Gonçalo Amaral right

26 July 2008
Thanks to 'astro' for translation

The English prime minister called the couple directly and the British diplomacy took care of the travelling

"To increase the political pressure". The phrase, by Kate McCann, written among the notes that were found in her house and which the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) had apprehended, is clear about the manner in which Maddie's parents intended to manage their daughter's disappearance, bringing it into the press' first pages and turning it into a case with political outlines.

On the morning of the 23rd of May 2007 (twenty days after Maddie's disappearance), before they left for the Sanctuary of Fátima, Kate and Gerry left Gordon Brown a message. Maddie's mother describes it as a form of "raising the political pressure" and reveals that the present Prime Minister – at that date, he was not in functions but had already been confirmed as Tony Blair's successor – answered her only three hours later. He spoke with Gerry, was "very sympathetic and gave strength", tells Kate, who describes the visit to the catholic sanctuary as overwhelming, potent and emotional.

On the same day in the afternoon, Gordon Brown called Maddie's parents again. Kate's notebooks do not report the conversation but one is able to understand that the purpose was to create political pressure, forcing the PJ to act swiftly.

Today, at more than a year's distance from the child's disappearance and after the case has been archived, Kate's notes expose the pressures that were reported by the former coordinator of the case, Gonçalo Amaral, who from the moment when he was removed from the investigation, realised that the process would not produce an accusation.

With an investigation that was initially inclined towards the abduction theory, partly forced by the McCanns, the evidence of the pressures by the couple also explains the British press' posture in the coverage of the case, mainly from the moment when Madeleine's parents went from victims to suspects and arguidos. With the British prime minister himself supporting the McCanns, through direct and frequent phone calls that are revealed by Kate, it became almost impossible for the English government to help an investigation that had indicated the parents as guilty.

Apart from the contacts with Gordon Brown, Kate's notebooks reveal other important allies. From the hiring of Clarence Mitchell, who at that point in time worked for the government, as an assistant, until the conversations with the wife of Tony Blair, the former British Prime Minister.

Mitchell actually had a pivotal role in the propaganda machine that was built by the McCanns within a few days, and which counted on the great help from the British diplomacy in all the trips that were carried out by Kate and Gerry.

The first and most media-exposed [trip] – to Rome, to be received by Pope Benedict XVI – was suggested by the assistant, on the 27th of May, after speaking to Francis Campbell, the British ambassador at the Vatican. "Rome is already preparing itself", Kate wrote, anticipating that visit as what would become the "main" news on that day. One day later, the visit and the audience with the Pope were already confirmed, with a program that was prepared in a detailed manner.

On the 30th of May, after leaving the British consulate in Rome, Kate and Gerry, accompanied by the ambassador, made a strategic stop "for the photographers to catch an image looking at the Basilica", and continued towards the Vatican, where they spent a few minutes with Benedict XVI. A moment that was described as very emotional, positive and important, and that summoned "loads of" journalists and photographers, which is definitely a concern that is always present with the couple.

After Rome, Madrid, Berlin and Morocco followed, trips with the purpose of publicising Madeleine's face and which always relied on passages through consulates or receptions by British ambassadors and political representatives of the corresponding countries.

According to Kate's notes, the days started or ended with meetings, phone calls and emails. Cherie Blair, the wife of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown's predecessor, was one of Kate's contacts, as demonstrated by the reports of the 17th of July. Before Kate gives Sky News an interview, she speaks with Cherie, who agrees to make a 20 second videoclip about Maddie for the English channel. On that same day, Blair himself pledges assistance and makes himself available for whatever is needed.

Kate's notes:

"Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to" – Kate McCann, 27th of May
……………………….

The ambassador's solidarity

On the 4th [of May], only hours after the alert of Madeleine's disappearance was given, Kate wrote in her notes that the English ambassador, John Buck, had been in the apartment offering them his solidarity. She also noted the presence of two employees from the consulate and stressed the strong presence of the media on location. "There is news appearing in the United Kingdom", Maddie's mother remembered, also noting the "worrying" and "boring" presence of Yvone, the English social security technician who tried to understand whether there was anything in the family's life that might explain the child's absence.

It should be referred that on that very same day, the ambassador met with senior officials from the PJ to understand the outlines of the case.
 
  • #809
gord you can think what you like and ignore the mountains of lies and discrepancies its ur choice


shelving a case and releasing suspects without charge never means they are innocent, thats the bottom line here

with no apprehension of any abductor they will always have suspicion hanging over them for many reasons and not without cause

there has been no court case ergo they have not beendeclared innocent by anybody at all

lets not forget the cadaver dog reacting to 13 places surrounding the mccanns in this case, and Nowhere else, hardly something u can just brush under the carpet cos it suits or u cant bear to countenance the possibility that maddie died in that flat!!!



I have always said that I would never say I am 100% correct - of course it is possible that Maddie died in the flat - I just dont think so

The big issue I have with the dogs is both alerting to the hire car which was not hired until weeks afterwards - for me this is stretching things wayyy to far .the thought that they moved the body weeks after to a final restuing place ......sorry cant go with it . they were at this time under suspicioun from the PJ - being tailed daily by tabloid press who were following them whenever they appeared just looking for a scoop -
 
  • #810
Kate forced political pressure, 26 July 2008


Kate forced political pressure Correio da Manhã

Revelations – Maddie's mother's notes prove Gonçalo Amaral right

26 July 2008
Thanks to 'astro' for translation

The English prime minister called the couple directly and the British diplomacy took care of the travelling

"To increase the political pressure". The phrase, by Kate McCann, written among the notes that were found in her house and which the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) had apprehended, is clear about the manner in which Maddie's parents intended to manage their daughter's disappearance, bringing it into the press' first pages and turning it into a case with political outlines.

On the morning of the 23rd of May 2007 (twenty days after Maddie's disappearance), before they left for the Sanctuary of Fátima, Kate and Gerry left Gordon Brown a message. Maddie's mother describes it as a form of "raising the political pressure" and reveals that the present Prime Minister – at that date, he was not in functions but had already been confirmed as Tony Blair's successor – answered her only three hours later. He spoke with Gerry, was "very sympathetic and gave strength", tells Kate, who describes the visit to the catholic sanctuary as overwhelming, potent and emotional.

On the same day in the afternoon, Gordon Brown called Maddie's parents again. Kate's notebooks do not report the conversation but one is able to understand that the purpose was to create political pressure, forcing the PJ to act swiftly.

Today, at more than a year's distance from the child's disappearance and after the case has been archived, Kate's notes expose the pressures that were reported by the former coordinator of the case, Gonçalo Amaral, who from the moment when he was removed from the investigation, realised that the process would not produce an accusation.

With an investigation that was initially inclined towards the abduction theory, partly forced by the McCanns, the evidence of the pressures by the couple also explains the British press' posture in the coverage of the case, mainly from the moment when Madeleine's parents went from victims to suspects and arguidos. With the British prime minister himself supporting the McCanns, through direct and frequent phone calls that are revealed by Kate, it became almost impossible for the English government to help an investigation that had indicated the parents as guilty.

Apart from the contacts with Gordon Brown, Kate's notebooks reveal other important allies. From the hiring of Clarence Mitchell, who at that point in time worked for the government, as an assistant, until the conversations with the wife of Tony Blair, the former British Prime Minister.

Mitchell actually had a pivotal role in the propaganda machine that was built by the McCanns within a few days, and which counted on the great help from the British diplomacy in all the trips that were carried out by Kate and Gerry.

The first and most media-exposed [trip] – to Rome, to be received by Pope Benedict XVI – was suggested by the assistant, on the 27th of May, after speaking to Francis Campbell, the British ambassador at the Vatican. "Rome is already preparing itself", Kate wrote, anticipating that visit as what would become the "main" news on that day. One day later, the visit and the audience with the Pope were already confirmed, with a program that was prepared in a detailed manner.

On the 30th of May, after leaving the British consulate in Rome, Kate and Gerry, accompanied by the ambassador, made a strategic stop "for the photographers to catch an image looking at the Basilica", and continued towards the Vatican, where they spent a few minutes with Benedict XVI. A moment that was described as very emotional, positive and important, and that summoned "loads of" journalists and photographers, which is definitely a concern that is always present with the couple.

After Rome, Madrid, Berlin and Morocco followed, trips with the purpose of publicising Madeleine's face and which always relied on passages through consulates or receptions by British ambassadors and political representatives of the corresponding countries.

According to Kate's notes, the days started or ended with meetings, phone calls and emails. Cherie Blair, the wife of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown's predecessor, was one of Kate's contacts, as demonstrated by the reports of the 17th of July. Before Kate gives Sky News an interview, she speaks with Cherie, who agrees to make a 20 second videoclip about Maddie for the English channel. On that same day, Blair himself pledges assistance and makes himself available for whatever is needed.

Kate's notes:

"Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to" – Kate McCann, 27th of May
……………………….

The ambassador's solidarity

On the 4th [of May], only hours after the alert of Madeleine's disappearance was given, Kate wrote in her notes that the English ambassador, John Buck, had been in the apartment offering them his solidarity. She also noted the presence of two employees from the consulate and stressed the strong presence of the media on location. "There is news appearing in the United Kingdom", Maddie's mother remembered, also noting the "worrying" and "boring" presence of Yvone, the English social security technician who tried to understand whether there was anything in the family's life that might explain the child's absence.

It should be referred that on that very same day, the ambassador met with senior officials from the PJ to understand the outlines of the case.

so they were offered consular assistance which is fairly normal and spoke with GB on the phone - Brown spoke with hundreds of people . I was never his biggest fan but one thing I do know that Gordon Brown had a great record as a labour man and spent his life in public service - to see his name being slandered as being involved in a cover up of the death of Maddeleine Mccann ..... with no evidence apart from the chatterings of internet conspiracies

Is this it ? is this the smoking gun to say that they shut down the case down and commited a serious crime ??

Is that what you are saying Brown knowingly helped cover up ??
 
  • #811
so they were offered consular assistance which is fairly normal and spoke with GB on the phone - Brown spoke with hundreds of people . I was never his biggest fan but one thing I do know that Gordon Brown had a great record as a labour man and spent his life in public service - to see his name being slandered as being involved in a cover up of the death of Maddeleine Mccann ..... with no evidence apart from the chatterings of internet conspiracies

Is this it ? is this the smoking gun to say that they shut down the case down and commited a serious crime ??

Is that what you are saying Brown knowingly helped cover up ??

Emphatically not.

They are just like you, they did not believe the McCann was capable of such a crime. They were approached on a personal level and of course both offered their help.

They were fathers after all.

Unfortunately things turned a bit ugly when the British LE developed evidence the McCann was involved. This was not good news for the politicians, as they would look very stupid indeed once their initial support of the McCann became public knowledge, as well as elitist beyond belief.

:banghead:

The McCanns subsequent behaviour also soured race relations so badly between the UK and Portugal that the US ambassador was compelled to comment, an amazing fact in itself. This is an ordinary domestic type crime, and here we have an international diplomatic upheaval as a result of it!. This is extraordinary and really still needs to be explained as do the pope facilitations, media officers, and other extremely generous support given.

At this point the Portugese, who are heavily reliant on the US, shut down the investigation.

They probably wish never to hear the name McCann again and frankly I don't blame them.

This means effectively that Madeleine is lost forever, as is justice.

Ask yourself, honestly, are these the actions of parents who are desperate to find their baby?

:maddening:
 
  • #812
Is this it ? is this the smoking gun to say that they shut down the case down and commited a serious crime ??

??

RSMB

Uh no, there's also all the lies they told, the physical impossibility of what they alleged happened, the forensic evidence, the cadaver dogs, the lack of cooperation, the irregular behaviour, the wiped cell phone records, the fact kate never ever once looked for madeleine or even called her name, the fact they left PDL, the fact they profiteered...

Need I go on?

I won't bother, because you have made up your mind based on your own opinions which will never match mine, or indeed 90% of the other posters on here...but that's what opinions are and you're entitled to that. Just don't ignore salient questions by responding with emotive accusations and sideways leaps of logic.

:dunno:

We don't want this thread shut down as well.
 
  • #813
Emphatically not.

They are just like you, they did not believe the McCann was capable of such a crime. They were approached on a personal level and of course both offered their help.

They were fathers after all.

Unfortunately things turned a bit ugly when the British LE developed evidence the McCann was involved. This was not good news for the politicians, as they would look very stupid indeed once their initial support of the McCann became public knowledge, as well as elitist beyond belief.

:banghead:

The McCanns subsequent behaviour also soured race relations so badly between the UK and Portugal that the US ambassador was compelled to comment, an amazing fact in itself. This is an ordinary domestic type crime, and here we have an international diplomatic upheaval as a result of it!. This is extraordinary and really still needs to be explained as do the pope facilitations, media officers, and other extremely generous support given.

At this point the Portugese, who are heavily reliant on the US, shut down the investigation.

They probably wish never to hear the name McCann again and frankly I don't blame them.

This means effectively that Madeleine is lost forever, as is justice.

Ask yourself, honestly, are these the actions of parents who are desperate to find their baby?

:maddening:

sorry but I have now no idea what points you are now making ? Now you are saying that the mccanns behaviour soured race relations between the Uk and Portugal ???

or that the portugese shut down the case because they were heavily reliant to the US ?? ( which is news to me ) Why on earth would the US want to put pressure on them to shut down the case


The Portugese are a proud nation and fiercely independent Sure like many countries in Europe thay are facing problems in their economy - but to say that they would pervert the course of justice in their country is just unfounded , based on nothing but warped thinking.

I can debate on most things but seriously you realy need to have a think about what you are saying some times .
 
  • #814
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I have always said that I would never say I am 100% correct - of course it is possible that Maddie died in the flat - I just dont think so

The big issue I have with the dogs is both alerting to the hire car which was not hired until weeks afterwards - for me this is stretching things wayyy to far .the thought that they moved the body weeks after to a final restuing place ......sorry cant go with it . they were at this time under suspicioun from the PJ - being tailed daily by tabloid press who were following them whenever they appeared just looking for a scoop -
I think I'm a bit like you in that I've always said I would never say I am 100% correct - I think it's totally plausible the McCann's were complicit in the disappearance and (suspected) death of their daughter. ;)

You're hung up on the hire car. Logically, rightly so, gord...BUT...do you believe a death scent or other cadaveric material - much like fiber, DNA, or blood - can be transferred?

I do which may be why we see this case from opposing viewpoints. Unfortunately for both of us science is only in its infancy in regards to cadaveric VOC testing which could have definitively settled whether or not cadaveric material/scent ever came into contact with the hire car.

It's interesting though that your same sticking point allowing you to believe Maddie didn't die in that flat (the hire car) is a sticking point allowing me to believe the McCann's could have been involved.
 
  • #815
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I have always said that I would never say I am 100% correct - of course it is possible that Maddie died in the flat - I just dont think so

The big issue I have with the dogs is both alerting to the hire car which was not hired until weeks afterwards - for me this is stretching things wayyy to far .the thought that they moved the body weeks after to a final restuing place ......sorry cant go with it . they were at this time under suspicioun from the PJ - being tailed daily by tabloid press who were following them whenever they appeared just looking for a scoop -
I have no thoughts on this, theories about moving a body, etc
Both dogs alerting could mean they both were scenting only blood, (eddie the cadaver dog alerts to dry blood from a living person) which seems more likely as keela the blood dog alerts to only blood and this was found on the plastic key card of the car, which both dogs were retested with by it being buried in a sand box and they found it, could have been gerrys blood as some of the dna markers matched his

More of a problem is where the cadaver dog alerted, in several places, but when the blood dog was sent in did not alert meaning the cadaver dog was not alerting to blood.

If anyone can put this down to a false alert, or alert to a benign substance it still begs the question why there was no false ones or interest in any of the other flats, cars and villa searched, so.........Then again, perhaps it was unluckily secondary contamination from somewhere else, something or someone from the past, its not beyond the realms of possibility but i know what i think

Eta
Eddie had barked at the door seal driver side which was where a key card was inside the pocket there.
 
  • #816
Anyone make head or tail of this?

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

What on earth does he mean? GM was accused in 2002 of hacking....i just find it hard to connect any dots, bit too cryptic for me
 
  • #817
I can't offer an opinion based on the evidence because I have not followed this case as closely as most of you here have done. My opinion of the McCanns, and it is not flattering, is based on several things: Kate once said something to the effect that the case is only famous because she (Kate) is beautiful. I can't quote a source so will say IMO that's what Kate thinks. What I think is that Kate is not beautiful at all, just a normal looking woman, not ugly, not beautiful. The other thing on which I base my unflattering opinion of the McCanns is Cate saying that the Vatican was already preparing for their (The McCanns') visit. What made her think that the Vatican had any preparations to make for her? Did they have to thoroughly clean the place, rearrange the furniture, send the Pope's vestments to the cleaners? Isn't Cate's statement somewhat grandiose and narcissistic? Isn't Cate herself somewhat grandiose and narcissistic?

And the matter of the McCanns spending some of the money collected to help search for their daughter on personal items is, if true, unconscionable, IMO. I just have to say that I don't like the McCanns. I don't know if they or she specifically, are responsible for their child's disappearance. I suspect that they are, but that's just a gut feeling based solely on my dislike for them.

I pray that I am wrong about the child's whereabouts, and that she is safe and living with a family who love her, although that is IMO not likely.

Please forgive the intrusion, and I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
 
  • #818
The quote about rome preparing itself was taken from a PT newspaper alledgedly from her diary, whenher diary was printed in the UK that wasnt there, but a different comment

i still think she is a narcissist though as is her husband who told a govt inquiry that he is the most famous maligned man in the whole history of the press, which is like centuries old, haha

I dont recall her saying she was beautiful, just her mother quoted as sayingher daughter had asked her perhaps the public would have been less critical of her if she had bigger breasts

but many people have said people who criticised her were only jealous of her looks and social status which of course is total rubbish insulting peoples intelligence and grasping at straws

As for the money, no one knows if they have used it for themselves apart from their using it to make two monthly mortgage payments back in 07 before they were made suspects and after that stopped, but they have used it for sure to sue people, its in their accounts inblack and white

They LOST the first case and now are banking on the next one to make them a million pounds

They also charge people to order goods like posters, luggage tags, car stickers, when all the millions given to them were just for this purpose, its a business and they do themselves no favours either by hiding their accounts when they said they would betransparent like a charity
 
  • #819
sorry but I have now no idea what points you are now making ? Now you are saying that the mccanns behaviour soured race relations between the Uk and Portugal ???

or that the portugese shut down the case because they were heavily reliant to the US ?? ( which is news to me ) Why on earth would the US want to put pressure on them to shut down the case


The Portugese are a proud nation and fiercely independent Sure like many countries in Europe thay are facing problems in their economy - but to say that they would pervert the course of justice in their country is just unfounded , based on nothing but warped thinking.

I can debate on most things but seriously you realy need to have a think about what you are saying some times .

Why don't you comment on the facts?

The facts being that 3 British PMs, countless UK ambassadors, the Vatican, the US ambassador all were involved (no matter how peripherally) in this case?

I have posted actual evidence and links which you just sweep past as though they don't exist?

But then, I have read past threads and posts and am aware that this is some McCann supporters MO.

They offer ZERO evidence for their own wild theories yet ignore the factual evidence for someone elses. A strange way to sleuth in my opinion...ignoring the facts.

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wonder if sy will close their review soon and what resulting statement will say, met chief wont tolerate another penny going on this if its a whitewash, and rightly so, unless we have a lucky break and they arrest the mccanns :) thenevery penny and more is worth it
 
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