Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[SapphireSteel]

Anyone make head or tail of this?

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

What on earth does he mean? GM was accused in 2002 of hacking....i just find it hard to connect any dots, bit too cryptic for me

Yes.

Remember that autistic young man, Gary Mackinnon, who the FBI tried to extradite to the states to be punished for hacking the US governments data base?

Apparently all charges have been dropped by the US.

BB is insinuating that Gary stumbled across some very interesting information while he was hacking, some of which relates to the McCann and political interferance on their case, which I have posted about above.

BB implies that the British Govt knows what McKinnon found, so instead of allowing him to be extradited, requested that the US stop pursuing him. Gary Mackinnon and his mother probably were required to sign their lives away in return, swearing to never disclose the information Gary recovered.

It's called a "whitewash".

For those who blindly think their government are above shoving something unpleasant and politically sensitive or embarrassing under the carpet, they are not. It happens all the time and it is naive to think otherwise.

 

[SapphireSteel]

wonder if sy will close their review soon and what resulting statement will say, met chief wont tolerate another penny going on this if its a whitewash, and rightly so, unless we have a lucky break and they arrest the mccanns thenevery penny and more is worth it

Whats the bet the "review" will be yet another whitewash.

Remember, they are merely reviewing the investigation, not re-investigating the case itself.

They will be able to say something like

"we have thoroughly reviewed the investigation and are satisfied it was conducted properly".

That will be the end of that.

:furious:

 

[Clutchbag]

Yes.

Remember that autistic young man, Gary Mackinnon, who the FBI tried to extradite to the states to be punished for hacking the US governments data base?

Apparently all charges have been dropped by the US.

BB is insinuating that Gary stumbled across some very interesting information while he was hacking, some of which relates to the McCann and political interferance on their case, which I have posted about above.

BB implies that the British Govt knows what McKinnon found, so instead of allowing him to be extradited, requested that the US stop pursuing him. Gary Mackinnon and his mother probably were required to sign their lives away in return, swearing to never disclose the information Gary recovered.

It's called a "whitewash".

For those who blindly think their government are above shoving something unpleasant and politically sensitive or embarrassing under the carpet, they are not. It happens all the time and it is naive to think otherwise.

SS GM hacked in 2002 MM wasnt even born then so confused

 

[Clutchbag]

Whats the bet the "review" will be yet another whitewash.

Remember, they are merely reviewing the investigation, not re-investigating the case itself.

They will be able to say something like

"we have thoroughly reviewed the investigation and are satisfied it was conducted properly".

That will be the end of that.

:furious:

LOL if they review the PJ investigationand conclude it was conducted properley then they agree with the PJ final report, death in apt and concealment of body

 

[SapphireSteel]

SS GM hacked in 2002 MM wasnt even born then so confused

When was he caught?

Do we know the last time he did it?

:waitasec:

ETA: allegedly he hacked thousands of systems, but the one he is charged for is back in 2002.

I will read further though, as you're right, it doesn't connect on the face of it, unless it's to illustrate the evaporation of serious criminal charges when the big guys get together?

 

[Pisces Cloud]

Public Enquiry into organised Child Grooming, Child Prostitution and Paedophilia in the UK

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39312

 

[airplanelamp]

You know, I've read people for and against the McCanns releasing/focusing on the info about her eye abnormality and not really thought one way about it. Until today. I am a teacher, and I was reading with a student today (8 years old) and I realized she has that same abnormality. So I actually had to stop and double take and ask myself if she could be her. But, she could not. I hope thought, that people around the world will do the same. If so, and she is alive, she could come home some day. It was just one of "those" moments of realization today that little details like that might bring a child home.

 

[Clutchbag]

When was he caught?

Do we know the last time he did it?

:waitasec:

ETA: allegedly he hacked thousands of systems, but the one he is charged for is back in 2002.

I will read further though, as you're right, it doesn't connect on the face of it, unless it's to illustrate the evaporation of serious criminal charges when the big guys get together?

i think we can safely ignore the connection between the two cases

 

[Clutchbag]

You know, I've read people for and against the McCanns releasing/focusing on the info about her eye abnormality and not really thought one way about it. Until today. I am a teacher, and I was reading with a student today (8 years old) and I realized she has that same abnormality. So I actually had to stop and double take and ask myself if she could be her. But, she could not. I hope thought, that people around the world will do the same. If so, and she is alive, she could come home some day. It was just one of "those" moments of realization today that little details like that might bring a child home.

somehow i dont think the most famous missing child inthe world would be sent to school

Or paraded around airports restaraunts supermarkets banks etc etc infull view of cctv

 

[brit1981]

We really would not know, but didn't stephen styner go to school - I think some people even commented on the likeness between him and the missing posters. Lets face it lots of people look alike, and if you saw a girl who bore a resemblence to the madeleine mccann age progression, especially fi she had dyed hair, would you really rush to the police if you saw her attending school with a nice middle class family. I hate to say it, but I think I might just think she looked a bit like madeleine mccann. But would I react the same if I saw the child somewhere like morroco or if she was almost being hidden? It would depend hugely on the circumstances you saw her, and few people are going to find a child going to school suspicious.

 

[brit1981]

LOL if they review the PJ investigationand conclude it was conducted properley then they agree with the PJ final report, death in apt and concealment of body

But the final report does not say this. The final report says there is no evidence as to whether she is alive or dead.

 

[Clutchbag]

But the final report does not say this. The final report says there is no evidence as to whether she is alive or dead.

I meant the final summary report from september 2007 the tavares report which was not refuted in the final legal summary and contrary to what you say the final legal summary stated it seemed more likely she is dead

See last words


Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively – the most dramatic – to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

 

[brit1981]

but the final report of the PJ stated they did not know if madeleine was alive or dead as does your quote above. Where does it state they conclude she is dead and was killed in the flat because you stated earlier it concluded she died in the flat and her body concealed?

 

[Clutchbag]

The legal summary said she was more likely dead

I copied the text, cant do no more than that, the link is there if you want to google final legal summary maddie case files

and i told you about the pj summary report from sept 07 where they concluded maddies death was concealed, its easily to google, inspector tavares interim report

Goodnight and may your god go with you in the words of dave allen LOL

 

[brit1981]

you said that the final report said she died in the flat and her body was concealed, yet nowhere in the quote you posted does it say this and no where in the final report does it say this.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The "final report" you are referring to is the document the PJ published to explain their closing of the case.

The final report essentially says they need more evidence and cooperation to finalise the investigation.

 

[brit1981]

can you quote where it says this? But given that they state they do not know what happened to madeleine it is safe to conclude they need more evidence.

 

[SapphireSteel]

can you quote where it says this? But given that they state they do not know what happened to madeleine it is safe to conclude they need more evidence.

I said -

"the report essentially states"

This means I have summarised the general message and meaning so no, I cannot give you a direct quote.

Hope now rests on Andy Rocket scientist and his team of crack detectives reviewing the investigation. I can predict the outcome right now.

"we have reviewed the investigation and are satisfied all reasonable steps were taken".

This also is opinion, so no link.

:cow:

 

[brit1981]

But you have not summerised the general message in the final report. The final report states clearly that there is no evidence against the mccanns, and that the PJ do not know whether madeleine is alive or dead. You have claimed they are saying that she is most likely dead which is not what the final report states.

The final report can be summerised by saying the PJ have no idea what happened.

Why are you insulting andy redwood - do you think he needs your help and insight? if so why not contact his team and offer it.

 

[Clutchbag]

You have claimed they are saying that she is most likely dead which is not what the final report states.

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That is exactly what it states, see last sentence of the following extract.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively – the most dramatic – to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm