Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[aa9511]

Thanks for the kudo's. Makin' me blush. If you have any thought's on this please post. I'd like to discuss without the arguments.

My own theory is that the perp let himself into the front door and that he WAS in the apartment on Gerry's check at 9:15. Probably behind the door. I think he may have panicked when he was almost caught and as soon as Gerry left, he attempted to open the window. Then realizing the shutter would be too loud, simply took Madeleine out the front door.

If they had been being watched, the bad guy would know that once Gerry left, the next check would be in half-an-hour or so. He would have to take her down the path directly in front of the building to get around the wall, which opened onto the car park at about the middle of the building. Then cut back through the parking lot, onto the road, and across the T-section where Jane Tanner spotted him.

It's the only scenario I can think of as to why the window was open, but not used. Photo's show the lichen on the window sill wasn't disturbed so no one came in or out, per the Portuguese PJ fingerprint lady.

This is all my own opinion and theory.

bbm

Couldn't it be that the window was open b/c the McCann's opened it as part of their cover-up or whatever it was? That would explain why it was open but no one had come in or out.

 

[Jmoose]

The notion that the McCanns are guilty is utter nonsense. The people who believe this have read waaaaaay too many bad works of fiction.

If only they had found a stranger's fingerprints on the opened window-but as I understand it, only Kate McCann's were there, and there didn't appear that anyone had climbed through the window, even wearing gloves.

 

[Jmoose]

bbm

Couldn't it be that the window was open b/c the McCann's opened it as part of their cover-up or whatever it was? That would explain why it was open but no one had come in or out.

It could be that, or maybe the window was open earlier and because there was no breeze nobody noticed before putting the children to bed, or it could be as Inana said. Remarkable that there isn't more evidence either way. Too bad there had been so many people in the room before the police were called, thus contaminating the evidence in the room.

 

[James50]

Show me one grain of evidence that there was an intruder. Nothing since 2007 has shown that there was ever an intruder in that room. Yet people who look logically at the evidence that is there are the ones reading fiction?

The Metropolitcan Police do not buy your MDI theory. Sorry.

 

[goldengirl57]

The Metropolitcan Police do not buy your MDI theory. Sorry.

How do you know that?

 

[James50]

How do you know that?

Because if they'd done it, they'd be in Pentonville Prison by now, luv!

 

[Gem2626]

How do you know that?

Isn't it obvious what direction the case is going in? Scotland Yard have all the evidence. None of the 'evidence' against the McCanns holds up and they seem to be looking for an abductor. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[James50]

Okay, so let's suppose that the McCanns accidentally killed their daughter. Why would two highly intelligent people, medics mind you, people who are trained in overlooking the physical welfare and well-being of others, who have probably never even had anything more than a parking ticket, have been so utterly irresponsible, so unconsiounably incompetent, so totally unprofessional and so dumb as to even attempt to cover it up, even if they could have, knowing that the eyes of the world would be on them? The notion is just utterly ludicrous. If an accident had happened, 999 times out of 1000 people will get that it was an accident. There is no need to cover it up.

The only thing these people were guilty of was naivety. They hadn't done a proper survey to ascertain how secure or not the resort was.

Kate McCann does not look guilty. She looks exactly as she would if she were completely innocent: haunted by the loss of her daughter.

The guilty all have that look, which they can't hide. Kate doesn't have it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Okay, so let's suppose that the McCanns accidentally killed their daughter. Why would two highly intelligent people, medics mind you, people who are trained in overlooking the physical welfare and well-being of others, who have probably never even had anything more than a parking ticket, have been so utterly irresponsible, so unconsiounably incompetent, so totally unprofessional and so dumb as to even attempt to cover it up, even if they could have, knowing that the eyes of the world would be on them? The notion is just utterly ludicrous. If an accident had happened, 999 times out of 1000 people will get that it was an accident. There is no need to cover it up.

The only thing these people were guilty of was naivety. They hadn't done a proper survey to ascertain how secure or not the resort was.

Kate McCann does not look guilty. She looks exactly as she would if she were completely innocent: haunted by the loss of her daughter.

The guilty all have that look, which they can't hide. Kate doesn't have it.

That's some gift you claim to have! The ability to simply look at someone and determine guilt or innocence? Pretty impressive!




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[goldengirl57]

Okay, so let's suppose that the McCanns accidentally killed their daughter. Why would two highly intelligent people, medics mind you, people who are trained in overlooking the physical welfare and well-being of others, who have probably never even had anything more than a parking ticket, have been so utterly irresponsible, so unconsiounably incompetent, so totally unprofessional and so dumb as to even attempt to cover it up, even if they could have, knowing that the eyes of the world would be on them? The notion is just utterly ludicrous. If an accident had happened, 999 times out of 1000 people will get that it was an accident. There is no need to cover it up.

The only thing these people were guilty of was naivety. They hadn't done a proper survey to ascertain how secure or not the resort was.

Kate McCann does not look guilty. She looks exactly as she would if she were completely innocent: haunted by the loss of her daughter.

The guilty all have that look, which they can't hide. Kate doesn't have it.

Its sad they didnt take the physical welfare of their own children into account then isnt it?

I can sort of understand the way the Tapas were checking the children sort of, but where it really sticks in my craw is when Mrs McCann herself said that her own daughter told her off for leaving her and the twins on their own, and this same child CRIED for over an hour scared to death as she couldnt find her MUMMY....

This is all proven stuff no one is making it up.

So what would a responsible person do for the welfare of their children, they would have stayed in that night, OR they could have used the evening creche or got a babysitter as there was a baby sitting service available.

Who knows what people are capable of ........

There are a lot of families killed by their parents, and the way its done is by pretending the child has been abducted.

Lots of parents on the T.V. crying and wailing for their children when they have actually killed them by their own hands.

I am not saying that they did do anything to their child, but I think they are totally responsible for her being taken away because they chose to go out and enjoy a last meal with their friends rather then stay with a child who was already stressed over her parents not being there for her the night before.

 

[Jmoose]

Isn't it obvious what direction the case is going in? Scotland Yard have all the evidence. None of the 'evidence' against the McCanns holds up and they seem to be looking for an abductor. Hmmmmmmm.

I think this is the only direction that they can continue in at this time-the McCanns surely have legal counsel that won't allow the police to question them unless they're charged with something, and there isn't any more point in examining the villa or the car they were driving after 6 years. Having said that, I don't necessarily think there is much to gain by looking in the McCann's direction anyway.

I do have a question that somebody here could maybe answer-if Madeleine's disappearance happened in Portugal, how is it that the main investigative body is SY? I know that our FBI frequently turn up at investigations overseas, but doesn't the investigation stay in the hands of the country where the crime happened?

 

[Jmoose]

Okay, so let's suppose that the McCanns accidentally killed their daughter. Why would two highly intelligent people, medics mind you, people who are trained in overlooking the physical welfare and well-being of others, who have probably never even had anything more than a parking ticket, have been so utterly irresponsible, so unconsiounably incompetent, so totally unprofessional and so dumb as to even attempt to cover it up, even if they could have, knowing that the eyes of the world would be on them? The notion is just utterly ludicrous. If an accident had happened, 999 times out of 1000 people will get that it was an accident. There is no need to cover it up.

The only thing these people were guilty of was naivety. They hadn't done a proper survey to ascertain how secure or not the resort was.

Kate McCann does not look guilty. She looks exactly as she would if she were completely innocent: haunted by the loss of her daughter.

The guilty all have that look, which they can't hide. Kate doesn't have it.

James-the McCanns WERE utterly irresponsible and dumb, at best-but for the fact that they were in the habit of leaving their children alone at night while they went out for a night of fun with their friends, they would still have their daughter with them. It really makes me angry when people who should know better than to leave such young children alone, do it anyway. Because of that, they are responsible for Madeleine's disappearance, and likely, her death. Maybe they are guilt-wracked, but they seem to be employing the notion of 'the best defense is a good offense'. Their spokesperson even goes on to say that it's perfectly appropriate parenting to leave small children alone like that. There are lots of people here who don't believe that it is and not all are Americans. The price they have to pay beyond the immeasurable loss of their child is the knowlege that most people think that their selfish and stupid decision allowed their daughter to be taken.

 

[gord]

I think this is the only direction that they can continue in at this time-the McCanns surely have legal counsel that won't allow the police to question them unless they're charged with something, and there isn't any more point in examining the villa or the car they were driving after 6 years. Having said that, I don't necessarily think there is much to gain by looking in the McCann's direction anyway.

I do have a question that somebody here could maybe answer-if Madeleine's disappearance happened in Portugal, how is it that the main investigative body is SY? I know that our FBI frequently turn up at investigations overseas, but doesn't the investigation stay in the hands of the country where the crime happened?

This still is a Portuguese case always has been . And it would be down to the Portuguese to either charge or reopen

all that has happened is the authorities have allowed SY to re examine all the records and see what they can bring up. SY and the PJ work together all the time -- it is good cooperation -

sure there are probably parts of Portuguese police that don't want the UK police to " interfere " but the Portuguese have allowed SY to see all the files as well as the digital data dump that was done back in 2007

 

[Jmoose]

This still is a Portuguese case always has been . And it would be down to the Portuguese to either charge or reopen

all that has happened is the authorities have allowed SY to re examine all the records and see what they can bring up. SY and the PJ work together all the time -- it is good cooperation -

sure there are probably parts of Portuguese police that don't want the UK police to " interfere " but the Portuguese have allowed SY to see all the files as well as the digital data dump that was done back in 2007

Thanks-so this is essentially what our FBI do, then. I don't want to disparage the Portuguese, but I think Scotland Yard may be able to fill in some of the blanks that PJ may have been reluctant to.

 

[UKgirl]

Done alot of reading in the past few days. Does anyone else think its odd how with all the commotion going on and people going in and out of the bedroom, that the twins slept through it all?.

Witness statements have said so, even a member of the ppolice force actually had to ask the mccanns to move the sleeping children. Heavy sleepers or.............

 

[Jmoose]

Done alot of reading in the past few days. Does anyone else think its odd how with all the commotion going on and people going in and out of the bedroom, that the twins slept through it all?.

Witness statements have said so, even a member of the ppolice force actually had to ask the mccanns to move the sleeping children. Heavy sleepers or.............

I have made the observation, too-these children all slept through everything, it seems. Mine never did!

 

[Hexe]

Okay, so let's suppose that the McCanns accidentally killed their daughter. Why would two highly intelligent people, medics mind you, people who are trained in overlooking the physical welfare and well-being of others,

...who repeatedly left their children alone in the hotel room at night, even after the hotel staff intervened and even after their own daughter asked them where they were when she cried.

who have probably never even had anything more than a parking ticket

What this has to do with anything? Dennis Rader, before he was caught, also never had anything more than a parking ticket, yet he was a serial murderer. I mean you don't have to have a lenghty rapsheet to make something stupid, irresponsible or evil. Or to commit some very serious crime.

have been so utterly irresponsible, so unconsiounably incompetent, so totally unprofessional and so dumb as to even attempt to cover it up, even if they could have, knowing that the eyes of the world would be on them? The notion is just utterly ludicrous.

That depends on what kind of accident it was. And what kind of the punishment they could expect for that. If their reputation and a nice lifestyle were on the stake, they had very strong motive for cover up. The possibility of losing custody over the twins would make it even stronger.

 

[Dushi]

Done alot of reading in the past few days. Does anyone else think its odd how with all the commotion going on and people going in and out of the bedroom, that the twins slept through it all?.

Witness statements have said so, even a member of the ppolice force actually had to ask the mccanns to move the sleeping children. Heavy sleepers or.............

Yes, extremely odd, IMO

 

[appletree729]

Done alot of reading in the past few days. Does anyone else think its odd how with all the commotion going on and people going in and out of the bedroom, that the twins slept through it all?.

Witness statements have said so, even a member of the ppolice force actually had to ask the mccanns to move the sleeping children. Heavy sleepers or.............

I have 4 children - 3 of which would most definitely sleep through it all, especially if they had had a full day on vacation and were really tired.

 

[UKgirl]

I have 4 children - 3 of which would most definitely sleep through it all, especially if they had had a full day on vacation and were really tired.

Even through numerous people waking in and out disturbing them. Not to mention that gerry mccann stated that the twins cried alot at night when they were disrurbed. Stated by both parents that all of the three children were light sleepers.

So they slept through, crying, loud talking, shouting, light being turned on and off, people entering and exiting room. Dorrs banging with people leaving. Cupboards being opened and closed....really.

I am a mum of four also and I know my kids would not have slept through all of that and they are good sleepers.