Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #12

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I wonder if he noticed anything suspicious about NF home in Foral at the time, LS seemed to notice there was always small girls around. Also the obituary posted above states he had no formal funeral service or ceremony..hmmmm.

Perhaps they're in touch with him on a Ouija board?
No seriously, I'll have a look too - he can't be dead.

 

[MENDEL]

Perhaps they're in touch with him on a Ouija board?
No seriously, I'll have a look too - he can't be dead.

Don't forget to let us know. These people specializing in research, investigation and intelligence service can be quite mysterious. He said "funerals are for the living".

 

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Seems as though it could be Roy Whitehouse, according to this his partner was male...doesn’t mean he didn’t have a wife though. I can’t work out how he can be helping PJ with investigations if he’s supposed to be dead. He can’t be dead! Maybe he’s faked his own death because he knew something was gonna catch up with him? All my own thoughts...crazy as they seem lol.
https://www.cii2.org/assets/councilor/councilor winter 2017 1.pdf
Expats destroyed vital DNA clues as Maddie suspect linked to more sex crimes and potentially a child rape in Spain - Olive Press News Spain

Yep, found the obituary too - The RW in Foral must be a different cop, unless the Daily Mail have the wrong name (wouldn't surprise me!)

 

[Lyndaloo]

Perhaps they're in touch with him on a Ouija board?
No seriously, I'll have a look too - he can't be dead.[/QUOTE

Please do Ted, my heads scrambled This case just seems to get more complicated. Another poster done a fab timeline for CB a week or two ago, can anyone direct me to it please?

 

[Lyndaloo]

Perhaps they're in touch with him on a Ouija board?
No seriously, I'll have a look too - he can't be dead.[/QUOTE

Please do Ted, my heads scrambled This case just seems to get more complicated. Another poster done a fab timeline for CB a week or two ago, can anyone direct me to it please?

Yep, found the obituary too - The RW in Foral must be a different cop, unless the Daily Mail have the wrong name (wouldn't surprise me!)

I don’t think so Ted, same name here. Cmon what’s the chances of 2 ex SY detectives living in a small area like Foral? Seems remote to me.
Expats destroyed vital DNA clues as Maddie suspect linked to more sex crimes and potentially a child rape in Spain - Olive Press News Spain

 

[tedtink]

It was Sleuth-d who kindly did the timeline.
If you go up to the search bar, top right and put "timeline" in and Sleuth-d it will bring up his posts, the timeline is on there.

 

[Lyndaloo]

It was Sleuth-d who kindly did the timeline.
If you go up to the search bar, top right and put "timeline" in and Sleuth-d it will bring up his posts, the timeline is on there.

Found it, thanks Ted. So using Slueth-d’s timeline (Thanks Sleuth-d, your timeline is invaluable) CB went back to Portugal in June 2017, could this coincide with the apparent death of RW in Nov 2017? RW could have given info on CB, CB knew LE were onto him. Maybe RW had to fake his own death? Say he had to leave Foral & make himself disappear?
In Dec 2017 BKA received two tips from Scotland Yard in the Madeleine case. One of them directed suspicion to Brueckner. An informant, likely a former colleague from Portugal, claimed to have recognized him from the police sketches.
I think I remember HCW saying he had solved the case(when they became aware of what actually happened) around 2 years ago? Coincidence? Maybe...maybe not?

 

[photographer4]

I understand your POV but that guy wasn't any ped in the world. He was the one near PDL highly suspicious who lots of people trusted he could have the key. I would have paid if she was my daughter.

I can kinda understand why they didn't.... I'd like to know how much he was asking to be paid. I think you're right - he could easily have had the key. He may have known something, and I'd probably want to know what that was too....

 

[Lyndaloo]

He must be alive if he's helping with inquiries.
So he became a Spain based private detective WIS International.
Sex fiends on the loose - Olive Press News Spain

Wasn’t it a Spanish based detective who lately studied all satellite images from around the time MM went missing & found images of CB camper van parked on grounds of his former home?

 

[tedtink]

Found it, thanks Ted. So using Slueth-d’s timeline (Thanks Sleuth-d, your timeline is invaluable) CB went back to Portugal in June 2017, could this coincide with the apparent death of RW in Nov 2017? RW could have given info on CB, CB knew LE were onto him. Maybe RW had to fake his own death? Say he had to leave Foral & make himself disappear?
In Dec 2017 BKA received two tips from Scotland Yard in the Madeleine case. One of them directed suspicion to Brueckner. An informant, likely a former colleague from Portugal, claimed to have recognized him from the police sketches.
I think I remember HCW saying he had solved the case around 2 years ago? Coincidence? Maybe...maybe not?

I think this has been mis- reported somewhere along the line.
Karin and her husband said former SY detective lived next door - maybe they don't realise since talking to Sandra that RW has now passed on.
The Olive Press has named him, but I think he may have helped a while ago, not helping now for obvious reasons.
Expats destroyed vital DNA clues as Maddie suspect linked to more sex crimes and potentially a child rape in Spain - Olive Press News Spain

I think the press have got their tenses muddled up as the DM says IS ...........
Detective who lived next door to Madeleine McCann suspect 'is working with police to find her' | Daily Mail Online

Such a mess!

 

[photographer4]

You're saying this hasn't already happened once? I must be much older than you then, as I remember SF reporting back in the day.

I wasn't following this particular case all the way from the beginning as many here were, so perhaps it is easier for me to have an open mind about things such as this. I will google, but how did Sandra mess up the investigation previously?

 

[Lyndaloo]

I think this has been mis- reported somewhere along the line.
Karin and her husband said former SY detective lived next door - maybe they don't realise since talking to Sandra that RW has now passed on.
The Olive Press has named him, but I think he may have helped a while ago, not helping now for obvious reasons.
Expats destroyed vital DNA clues as Maddie suspect linked to more sex crimes and potentially a child rape in Spain - Olive Press News Spain

I think the press have got their tenses muddled up as the DM says IS ...........
Detective who lived next door to Madeleine McCann suspect 'is working with police to find her' | Daily Mail Online

Such a mess!

But that still doesn’t make any sense. O & K only spoke out lately. RW has supposedly been dead almost 3 years.... I think in such a small place word would have gotten around imo.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

But that still doesn’t make any sense. O & K only spoke out lately. RW has supposedly been dead almost 3 years.... I think in such a small place word would have gotten around imo.

I think they probably heard that the former neighbour was retired SY and helping out on the case. We don’t know when he was supposed to be helping from. Chances are he has since passed and K+O just didn’t realise it.
They also don’t speak Portuguese and speak English very heavily accented making me think they mostly converse in their native language; more than likely the tenses are muddled.

 

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But that still doesn’t make any sense. O & K only spoke out lately. RW has supposedly been dead almost 3 years.... I think in such a small place word would have gotten around imo.

I can't explain, it's all very muddled and just doesn't make any sense imo.

 

[Lyndaloo]

I can't explain, it's all very muddled and just doesn't make any sense imo.

It really doesn’t make any sense at all, the fact he had no funeral service seems strange. Hopefully we don’t have to wait too long to have it cleared up.

 

[Lyndaloo]

“ Roy Whitehouse has been in private practice since 1985, before that he was in Law enforcement in London. He holds a Diploma, Criminology
Roy left the Police in 1980 becoming an Insurance investigator for a city-based firm. In 1985 he started in Private practice in central London. He formed the Portuguese office in 1992.
Roy Whitehouse, CEO at WIS International
Didn’t we hear awhile back that CB had links to a London Law firm?

 

[Loobyloo]

It really doesn’t make any sense at all, the fact he had no funeral service seems strange. Hopefully we don’t have to wait too long to have it cleared up.

Looks like he really did die & had a direct cremation (increasingly popular these days for people who don't want the fuss of a conventional funeral). I'm guessing the funeral director wouldn't have published his partner's testimonial unless the event really took place.

https://www.rounce.co.uk/direct-cremation
(Scroll down to 2nd review)

 

[Lyndaloo]

Looks like he really did die & had a direct cremation (increasingly popular these days for people who don't want the fuss of a conventional funeral). I'm guessing the funeral director wouldn't have published his partner's testimonial unless the event really took place.

https://www.rounce.co.uk/direct-cremation
(Scroll down to 2nd review)

Thanks for the link loobyloo but I’m still very sceptical. Supposing someone did want to fake their own death, do you think it’s unlikely they wouldn’t post a review on a direct cremation website? Imo if you wanted to fake your own death, it would seem smart that you didn’t want a funeral & just posted obituary notices & yes even a review on such site. It just seems strange all this talk now about ex SY detective living next door to NF in Foral & the claims he is helping Portuguese LE & SY to find MM. He is either dead & mix up has been on past tense which is possible or he’s alive & helping LE which articles seem to indicate. I don’t however believe it’s possible to have had 2 different SY detectives living next door at Foral....Unless RW partner was also a ex detective with Scotland Yard?

 

[Loobyloo]

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They also don’t speak Portuguese and speak English very heavily accented making me think they mostly converse in their native language; more than likely the tenses are muddled.

I think that's the case. I've found the Sun's version of this 'revelation' about the detective neighbour (which is only a revelation if they'd not been following the story properly) & it's clear the neighbour's statement is using the present tense for everything:

Austrian couple Oliver and Karin Stenard said Christian B had lived in the adjacent house with a girlfriend.

Oliver said: “The next- door neighbour at the time’s an English policeman. He’s working for Scotland Yard.”​

A native speaker would say 'the next-door neighbour at the time WAS an English policeman'. Note also that Whitehouse's association with SY had finished many years before, but this gets a present tense, too.

Brit cop 'lived next door' to Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B

 

[Lyndaloo]

Looks like he really did die & had a direct cremation (increasingly popular these days for people who don't want the fuss of a conventional funeral). I'm guessing the funeral director wouldn't have published his partner's testimonial unless the event really took place.

https://www.rounce.co.uk/direct-cremation
(Scroll down to 2nd review)

I note in the partners review there is a mention of Ireland,
We know Irish Government Representatives were at CBs appeal hearing the other day, could there be any connection? I’m really not sure but am inclined to think he’s alive & talking to LE in some capacity.