Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[Okapi]

Greco-Roman coincidences?

Scotland Yard is looking for Madeleine’s secret in Athens - Keep Talking Greece

LA SPY - STORY DI NAPOLI RESTA IN CELLA LA DONNA ARRESTATA AL CIRCOLO - la Repubblica.it

Interesting that CB is acquainted with people traffickers.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Possible of course, but if I were to guess which festival in Spain and who lives there. I would then guess that we already know who that witness is, or not?

Hard to say. Maybe someone, who spent time with him at festivals around 2007/2008. Maybe someone, that is blonde, has green eyes and spoke english to him while selling drugs to young girls.

Maybe that's the clue, why SY thinks he is very reliable, although he is/was a serious criminal too. Most of his deeds in the 2000's, except capital crimes like murder e.g., should have a barred statute, so he could be the perfect witness to L.E..

But the Athens-connection speaks for MS, of course. 64 instead of 46 fits it very likely.

 

[mrjitty]

He should rather tell his client to be coorporative.

RSBM

That would be bad advice IMO. If he is to be formally interviewed as a suspect then IIRC law enforcement will have to disclose some of the evidence against him. I don't know the details of german procedure, but in other countries (e.g. like the UK) it is generally necessary for police to disclose some kind of factual basis behind questioning - or they can't question in that area. This is to avoid trial by ambush. I presume germany is similar.

If he just goes and talks to police informally, it might allow them to go on a fishing expedition.

 

[enjy15]

Hard to imagine, that THIS is the strategy, that FF prefers for his client:

My innocent client won't speak but has nothing to hide!
Assumed witnesses are as much crooked as my client is!
Just prove my clients guilt!

Three degrees of desperation?

He should rather tell his client to be coorporative. CB's reliability has already been finished, but IMO FF is working hard on the destruction of his credibility! German prosecuters are not just investigating due to testimonies from other criminals.

I'm curious about his statements, IF some kind of another bombshell would be released in the next months. Sounds kind of a bit naive, what FF is giving the media.

FF still does not have all the evidence so I don’t know why he is making such bold claims for the MM case. I think he is trying to pressure the German LE to release the evidence when they are not ready.

 

[Chiatos]

I don't think we do. Although it does mention, that the person is German, lived in Greece but also had residency in France the same as MS I believe, but then again there is the age of 46 that definitely doesn't fit. 64 would be closer if it were MS.

What if the 46 year old were someone else than Seyferth? They didn't mention a name for the 46 year old.

What if Seyferth were about 45 -47 years old in 1995? Would the age fit better?
The names of Seyferth and Dahlman were already known in 1995. Marilies W. was 47 years old at the time:
Marilies Walter, la tedesca di 47 anni [dd 1994]
LO STRANO HOBBY DI MARILIES - la Repubblica.it

 

[BIZCOCHO]

Good work, so we know MS, and we now have a new name too

How do we know that Manfred S. = Seyferth?

We know he is Manfred S. because he appeared on German television

Verdächtiger im Fall "Maddie": Früherer Freund erzählt, wie er Christian B. als Vergewaltiger enttarnte

And we know he's a MT contact on Facebook. He has many profiles with residences in Spain, Greece, France and Italy.
But we really don't know if he's the M.S. from the Italian news article.

 

[Chiatos]

We know he is Manfred S. because he appeared on German television

Verdächtiger im Fall "Maddie": Früherer Freund erzählt, wie er Christian B. als Vergewaltiger enttarnte

And we know he's a MT contact on Facebook. He has many profiles with residences in Spain, Greece, France and Italy.
But we really don't know if it's the M.S. from the Italian news article.

Just to check whether I understand correctly: MT's contact in FB bears the name of Seyferth?

 

[Sharkbite]

Just to check whether I understand correctly: MT's contact in FB bears the name of Seyferth?

Correct.

 

[Chiatos]

Correct.

Isn't it strange for an old man living as a bum, homeless, to even care to have various profiles and residences on FB?
Does he keep them up?

 

[Chiatos]

Marilies in December 1994:
- born in Germany, living in France
- had obtained her new passport from the German embassy in Athens only a few weeks earlier
- managed to sneak into the US Navy part of Naples harbour
- is caught making photos of US navy officers with a Yashica camera
- she is searched and nato bullet is found in her pocket
- after her arrest her hotel room is searched and photos of high US military officers in camouflage are found with red circles around 6 of them
- many articles about the wars in Chechnia and Bosnia
- some time before her arrest, a certain Yvette from Eastern Europe and Bearle from Ucraine were caught doing the same thing as Marilies
LO STRANO HOBBY DI MARILIES - la Repubblica.it

Three days later; two possible German accomplices of Marilies:
- one convicted for possession of weapons and exploitation of prostitution
- the other had already been expelled from Italy in 1979
- the two were caught at the same spot at the harbour, also taking pictures of US officers, three days after Marilies had been caught
- their explanation: they were looking for a German ship (Marilies had also said the same)
- Marilies claims to be a tourist and not to know the two German men
LA SPY - STORY DI NAPOLI RESTA IN CELLA LA DONNA ARRESTATA AL CIRCOLO - la Repubblica.it

 

[redplanet]

According to this article, german expats in the Algarve wrote on Facebook about CB's hairstyle: Popperfrisur.

Hat Verdächtiger im Fall Maddie auch mit Inga und René zu tun? • Algarve für Entdecker

Google translate

Suspect in Maddie: Germans in the Algarve remember

"As you can read in the regional Facebook groups, the German apparently managed to impress people. A member of the group said that he had noticed a Jaguar XJ at the time, which was often parked in Lagos at the marina and had a lot of paint damage from the sun. Another Facebook user from the Algarve recalled that after Maddie's disappearance, the police stopped many white vans, including his own, with which he had just been 100 kilometers from Praia da Luz. Officers cleared the truck, but then drove again without accomplishing anything. Someone else posted that the suspect had a "poppy hairstyle" at the time, he was wandering around in a jacket and reporting on his Jaguar."

(If it was CB's jag) it's interesting he would visit Lagos marina.

 

[SuperdadV8]

(If it was CB's jag) it's interesting he would visit Lagos marina.

Much more interesting to me is that quote, correlated to Correio da Manhã:

"The cars and the house he lived in have been forensically examined and evidence gathered to help consolidate the investigation. What was discovered led German police and prosecutors to believe Maddie was murdered."

 

[Sharkbite]

(If it was CB's jag) it's interesting he would visit Lagos marina.

CB would probably have many acquaintances in the area, Lagos marina is very close to the restaurant where he used to work.

 

[Pixie Child]

How do we know that Manfred S. = Seyferth?

He’s a FB friend of MT.

 

[enjy15]

Much more interesting to me is that quote, correlated to Correio da Manhã:

"The cars and the house he lived in have been forensically examined and evidence gathered to help consolidate the investigation. What was discovered led German police and prosecutors to believe Maddie was murdered."

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Very big if true - great find. Supports the photo/video theory I believe?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Very big if true - great find. Supports the photo/video theory I believe?

Hard to say. To me, it has nothing to do with the two cars, that german prosecuters made public. CB had access to more vehicles and HCW stated, they used them due to their special appearence and in another case in germany, they got a lot of hints, just because of a noticable car. I posted an interview with HCW from june 2020 a few pages before.

I could imagine, that the german prosecuters investigate a murder case, due to the circumstances. I'm sure, they have got evidence related to CB and MM. The little girl, or maybe her body unfortuneatly, is missing.

HCW always quoted, that they will interrogate the suspect at the end of the investigation, to avoid the suspect to go on excuses. Even IF they got her DNA (e.g.!) relatable to CB, that won't prove a murder for sure, due to the missing child or his body. The suspect could always say things like he may had contact to her but brought her to the next gas station, because he hated police by the time and didn't want to be kept as a suspect. It would be enough for an arrest warrant, but what then? Maybe they can prove an abduction, but not more. That doesn't help, because you GOT to prove him wrong. Nobody, even the MC's, would be satisfied of that.

HCW also stated, that the investigations will keep on for a few months. I do not think, that a lot of more new witnesses are on stage and interrogating them to check their stories, doesn't not need months to do IMO.

What takes time? Forensics take time, digging up soil and checking it for DNA or bodyfluids takes a lot time. Even checking terabytes of paedo-footage takes time, maybe to find a skinny guy with some birthmarks on his body, abusing a child that could fit MM.

Not a lot specialized investigators exist, that can check that footage and link it to MANY victims or suspects, especially to the ONE victim, we're discussing here. They also use software for facial-recognition. That procedere takes a lot of time, usually due to the sick amount of existing footage.

The actual suspect is in prison until at least 2027/2028. Prosecuters do their job carefully, due to the mistakes that have been made in the past.

PS: Almost no statements anymore by now, from SY and PJ. Even THAT can be a strong statement!

 

[Anxala]

What takes time? Forensics take time, digging up soil and checking it for DNA or bodyfluids takes a lot time. Even checking terabytes of paedo-footage takes time, maybe to find a skinny guy with some birthmarks on his body, abusing a child that could fit MM.

Your scenario suggests a very cart-before-horse approach to conducting an investigation.

No offence intended, Superdad, just saying that an investigation that commenced with a media-triggering declaration that MM was dead and that CB was responsible for that death should not now, at this stage, be dependent upon any of the above.

Either they had sufficient evidence to back up their initial claim, or they didn't and were on a fishing exercise. If they're still doing the checking you suggest, it looks to me like they're still solidly on that fishing exercise.

But jmo.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Your scenario suggests a very cart-before-horse approach to conducting an investigation imo.

No offence intended, Superdad, just saying that an investigation that commenced with a media-triggering declaration that MM was dead and that CB was responsible for that death should not now, at this stage, be dependent upon any of the above.

Well, i don't understand it as an offence, dear Anxala! Never ever!!!

Of course, the strategy that has been used by prosecuters AND solicitors is dividing the opinions!

As someone from germany that is working with the authorities for decades, even for prosecuters also, i can tell you the following:

No smart prosecutor that want's to develop his career, would go public with these claims, without enough evidence to nail the suspect. If you go that way, destroying someones reputation to solve the case, will do as much damage to you as you can ever get, if you will be proven wrong!

In that case, with all the attention from the media, even home secretaries will be dismissed, if the official claim will be pointless at the end and a smart solicitor will charge the federal republic to pay a lot of money according to the damages!

So in the end, if a prosecuter claims over the media, that he is convinced of the suspects guilt, he likely is! And he aint, just because of third party-testimonies.

Please keep in mind, that german authorities are as "lazy", as every country-authorities are.

 

[Anxala]

Well, i don't understand it as an offence, dear Anxala! Never ever!!!

Of course, the strategy that has been used by prosecuters AND solicitors is dividing the opinions!

As someone from germany that is working with the authorities for decades, even for prosecuters also, i can tell you the following:

No smart prosecutor that want's to develop his career, would go public with these claims, without enough evidence to nail the suspect. If you go that way, destroying someones reputation to solve the case, will do as much damage to you as you can ever get, if you will be proven wrong!

You make a valid point. Which I, despite my arguments to the contrary, do see the wisdom of.

I guess patience will have to be the ongoing order of the day.

 

[enjy15]

Hard to say. To me, it has nothing to do with the two cars, that german prosecuters made public. CB had access to more vehicles and HCW stated, they used them due to their special appearence and in another case in germany, they got a lot of hints, just because of a noticable car. I posted an interview with HCW from june 2020 a few pages before.

I could imagine, that the german prosecuters investigate a murder case, due to the circumstances. I'm sure, they have got evidence related to CB and MM. The little girl, or maybe her body unfortuneatly, is missing.

HCW always quoted, that they will interrogate the suspect at the end of the investigation, to avoid the suspect to go on excuses. Even IF they got her DNA (e.g.!) relatable to CB, that won't prove a murder for sure, due to the missing child or his body. The suspect could always say things like he may had contact to her but brought her to the next gas station, because he hated police by the time and didn't want to be kept as a suspect. It would be enough for an arrest warrant, but what then? Maybe they can prove an abduction, but not more. That doesn't help, because you GOT to prove him wrong. Nobody, even the MC's, would be satisfied of that.

HCW also stated, that the investigations will keep on for a few months. I do not think, that a lot of more new witnesses are on stage and interrogating them to check their stories, doesn't not need months to do IMO.

What takes time? Forensics take time, digging up soil and checking it for DNA or bodyfluids takes a lot time. Even checking terabytes of paedo-footage takes time, maybe to find a skinny guy with some birthmarks on his body, abusing a child that could fit MM.

Not a lot specialized investigators exist, that can check that footage and link it to MANY victims or suspects, especially to the ONE victim, we're discussing here. They also use software for facial-recognition. That procedere takes a lot of time, usually due to the sick amount of existing footage.

The actual suspect is in prison until at least 2027/2028. Prosecuters do their job carefully, due to the mistakes that have been made in the past.

PS: Almost no statements anymore by now, from SY and PJ. Even THAT can be a strong statement!

Don't the PJ have MM's DNA samples so if German LE needed to match they would have to ask the PJ for it so they can do analysis, I think the PJ would leak this news if the German LE asked for the DNA samples.
They may have found MM's pyjamas she went missing in the cars or house?