Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

[SuperdadV8]

Still wrecking my brain about the circumstances, that lead some (former?) crooks and entourage of CB, small time burglars and far away from law abiding, to talk and put him in focus.

IMO it must have begun with HB, so prosecuters became aware of CB and also MS and MT, who started talking a lot after being interrogated.

And that after 10 years and all of them are likely taken as serious witnesses. Have they been at OC the day or the day before MM vanished by planning a burglary there and suddenly a child and their former pal was gone including massive media reporting from day one?

Most of them should have already known by 2006, with what kind of guy they are dealing with, but didn't care a lot, as long as they could get over the day from the baits of the burglaries/thefts?

And 2017, after a time of expiration of possible charges for organized crime of theft and burglary, they must not fear anymore to be accused of burglary?

Would that be enough to change former loyalities or did they started to shake by watching the 2017 Netflix documentary, because the described prowlers at OC fit not just only CB...?

The MT-statement of being a father now and so he helps police feels a bit underhung to me in relation to the case IMO.

 

[Lyndaloo]

Do you have a link to the picture please?

This is a zoomed in version which was lightened up by another Websleuther, photographer I think.
Original is in this article, in original I also see 2 dogs one on the sofa to the left hand side of photo & smaller dog to the right hand side of the other sofa near to where I see MM, apologies everyone for kickstarting this old debate.
Madeleine McCann suspect's 'absolutely vile' Portugal home near Praia da Luz

 

[tedtink]

Still wrecking my brain about the circumstances, that lead some (former?) crooks and entourage of CB, small time burglars and far away from law abiding, to talk and put him in focus.

IMO it must have begun with HB, so prosecuters became aware of CB and also MS and MT, who started talking a lot after being interrogated.

And that after 10 years and all of them are likely taken as serious witnesses. Have they been at OC the day or the day before MM vanished by planning a burglary there and suddenly a child and their former pal was gone including massive media reporting from day one?

Most of them should have already known by 2006, with what kind of guy they are dealing with, but didn't care a lot, as long as they could get over the day from the baits of the burglaries/thefts?

And 2017, after a time of expiration of possible charges for organized crime of theft and burglary, they must not fear anymore to be accused of burglary?

Would that be enough to change former loyalities or did they started to shake by watching the 2017 Netflix documentary, because the described prowlers at OC fit not just only CB...?

The MT-statement of being a father now and so he helps police feels a bit underhung to me in relation to the case IMO.

The reward money?

 

[SuperdadV8]

The reward money?

Maybe another possibility, why not?!

 

[tedtink]

Maybe another possibility, why not?!

Most of the reward money, over 2.5 m is for her 'safe return'.
I'm not sure when the 20k was put up, maybe 2020 - but should still apply of there's a conviction? But HB wouldn't have been aware of that in 2017 -


'Scotland Yard revealed the “significant development” in a joint appeal with the BKA and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ), including a £20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance who vanished shortly before her fourth birthday.'

Hundreds respond to fresh Madeleine McCann appeal for information | ITV News

 

[SuperdadV8]

Most of the reward money, over 2.5 m is for her 'safe return'.
I'm not sure when the 20k was put up, maybe after 2017 - but should still apply of there's a conviction?

BKA has already awarded 10.000 EUR, but only to people, that aren't involved either. I don't know, if SY requires the same.

2.5 M is a lot of money. And if nobody was aiming for it, it could explain some very sad circumstances maybe.

 

[tedtink]

Still wrecking my brain about the circumstances, that lead some (former?) crooks and entourage of CB, small time burglars and far away from law abiding, to talk and put him in focus.

IMO it must have begun with HB, so prosecuters became aware of CB and also MS and MT, who started talking a lot after being interrogated.

And that after 10 years and all of them are likely taken as serious witnesses. Have they been at OC the day or the day before MM vanished by planning a burglary there and suddenly a child and their former pal was gone including massive media reporting from day one?

Most of them should have already known by 2006, with what kind of guy they are dealing with, but didn't care a lot, as long as they could get over the day from the baits of the burglaries/thefts?

And 2017, after a time of expiration of possible charges for organized crime of theft and burglary, they must not fear anymore to be accused of burglary?

Would that be enough to change former loyalities or did they started to shake by watching the 2017 Netflix documentary, because the described prowlers at OC fit not just only CB...?

The MT-statement of being a father now and so he helps police feels a bit underhung to me in relation to the case IMO.

He could just have been wiping his past slate clean and has decided to go straight. Maybe matured - it happens. Offloading all he knows so he can move forward and maybe didn't want to go back in prison again if he didn't tell all and LE got to him first!
The Netflix doc was after HB contacted LE, I imagine HB gave MT's name as LE visited MT soon after the doc aired - It could have been an agreement by all 3 of them to tell what they knew.
Maybe HB just dismissed it when CB blabbed, but was always in the back of his mind?
We don't really know CB - perhaps they knew him as a bit of a fantasist and didn't really pay much attention to what he said back then, could have convinced each other it wasn't true.
Perhaps they'd heard of his abuse conviction and that was the trigger - who knows, but I'm sure there was some kind of mental process.

 

[tedtink]

BKA has already awarded 10.000 EUR, but only to people, that aren't involved either. I don't know, if SY requires the same.

2.5 M is a lot of money. And if nobody was aiming for it, it could explain some very sad circumstances maybe.

2.5 M is a lot of money. And if nobody was aiming for it, it could explain some very sad circumstances maybe.[/QUOTE]

Agree.

 

[tedtink]

Still wrecking my brain about the circumstances, that lead some (former?) crooks and entourage of CB, small time burglars and far away from law abiding, to talk and put him in focus.

IMO it must have begun with HB, so prosecuters became aware of CB and also MS and MT, who started talking a lot after being interrogated.

And that after 10 years and all of them are likely taken as serious witnesses. Have they been at OC the day or the day before MM vanished by planning a burglary there and suddenly a child and their former pal was gone including massive media reporting from day one?

Most of them should have already known by 2006, with what kind of guy they are dealing with, but didn't care a lot, as long as they could get over the day from the baits of the burglaries/thefts?

And 2017, after a time of expiration of possible charges for organized crime of theft and burglary, they must not fear anymore to be accused of burglary?

Would that be enough to change former loyalities or did they started to shake by watching the 2017 Netflix documentary, because the described prowlers at OC fit not just only CB...?

The MT-statement of being a father now and so he helps police feels a bit underhung to me in relation to the case IMO.

Also we have to remember that they helped prosecute CB as witnesses to the rape of the 72 yr old lady.
They would have ratted on him for MM at the same time as giving info about the rape imo.
LE knew if they got CB in jail for the rape, they'd have plenty of time to investigate MM.

JMO

 

[SuperdadV8]

Also we have to remember that they helped prosecute CB as witnesses to the rape of the 72 yr old lady.
They would have ratted on him for MM at the same time as giving info about the rape.
LE knew if they got CB in jail for the rape, they'd have plenty of time to investigate MM.

JMO

Also interesting, that FF gave statements to the credibility of the known witnesses, although he knows, that they maybe had been "partners in crime" in the past and spent a lot of time together.

Why that? Why not something like "They put the blame on my client, not to be kept as the real (or other) suspects."? For a solicitor it should be pretty hard to take other argumentations without blaming his own client, if somebody of the group could be linked to OC at the time. So the solicitor could be limited to the fact, that some witnesses are as crooked, as his client and that creates kind of reasonable doubt. Wouldn't it link his client to OC at the time either?

Was the prime suspect some kind of head of that gang of at least four persons, due to his known mental state. Did he treated his lackeys bad, as it was reported he treated some close guys and girls bad? Is it a kind of revenge of them, as a dinner served cold? Did the main suspect "surprised" his gang, as he didn't return with the estimated bait or even returned to them waiting around the corner with an unestimated one and suddenly they were part of something, that led them to remain silent and split up the gang, without talking to L.E. for at least 10 years?

The behavior of that 3 witnesses seems odd to me, due to the huge time-relay.

The media-rumored statements of MT and HB sound like a pretty repulsive attitude according to CB, although they knew much earlier, what kind of person they were dealing with. Did the main suspect brought them into a situation back in 2007, that they didn't have expected but had to keep quiet, due to estimated charges by L.E.?

The most credible witness is a witness, that charges himself of anything, even knowledge about a crime, even if he is/was crooked himself. JMO

 

[Dlk79]

Also we have to remember that they helped prosecute CB as witnesses to the rape of the 72 yr old lady.
They would have ratted on him for MM at the same time as giving info about the rape imo.
LE knew if they got CB in jail for the rape, they'd have plenty of time to investigate MM.

JMO

In the ITV documentary, it was stated the rape conviction was as a direct result of the MM investigation. To me that sounds like the MM info came first and while interviewing HB and MS about it, the detail about the rapes found on the stolen video camera came to light, which in turn led them to investigate the 2005 rape on the 72yr old.

 

[Anxala]

BKA has already awarded 10.000 EUR, but only to people, that aren't involved either. I don't know, if SY requires the same.

2.5 M is a lot of money. And if nobody was aiming for it, it could explain some very sad circumstances maybe.

2.6M actually.
These are the celebs who donated to the £2.6million Maddie fund

The criteria for claiming this reward is highly specific - info relating to and that translates into the safe return of MM. That, to put it mildly, narrows the field considerably and the likelihood of people either aiming for it or coming forward somewhat. A reward, imo, that will never be claimed.

Where does this £2.6M reward money currently sit, awaiting a claim, do we know?

 

[tedtink]

2.6M actually.
These are the celebs who donated to the £2.6million Maddie fund

The criteria for claiming this reward is highly specific - info relating to and that translates into the safe return of MM. That, to put it mildly, narrows the field considerably and the likelihood of people either aiming for it or coming forward somewhat. A reward, imo, that will never be claimed.

Where does this £2.6M reward money currently sit, awaiting a claim, do we know?

I guess most large rewards are pledges not donations as such.

Madeleines Fund

About Us: | findmadeleine.com

MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House)

 

[Chiatos]

It may be that every EU member state received a notice, we have just seen the document that was sent to the Dutch authorities, after all it's an information sharing system.

4. In order to fulfil (satisfy) the request of the London Metropolitan Police, please let us know of any available information which arises from the files kept by your Service.
5. The Services to which this document is notified are requested to be informed and to act competently and consequently inform us in this regard.
6. Please let your answers be communicated to the other recipients hereof for their information.

The request dated July 18th was issued by Greek police and was addressed to another Greek police unit.
Why were the Dutch authorities brought into this?

The response dated July 20th was also issued by Greek police and addressed to Greek police.

It looks like we won't find out easily why the Dutch authorities were involved in this Greek twist.

 

[SuperdadV8]

If HB was imprisoned by April 2015, it seems likely to be, his crime happened around 2014. In 2014 CB was a free person and ran the kiosk in Braunschweig, after he was interrogated by around the end of 2013 (november) about the MM-disappearence and maybe kind of nervous?

CB should have been aware about the fact, some of his pals told police about the footage at his house? Was it a favour to clean up the house (MT) or a raid (media)? Could it have been an order to his accomplices, that haven't been arrested?

Did CB persuaded HB after the end of 2013 police interrogation to do a trafficking job and told police about in some way, to get him arrested and bring him to prison? Did he thought about the person, who gave the tipp-off to L.E., that lead to him in the MM-case before 2017?

And after the charge and containment, HB had some time to develop a plan to thank him for that and delivered CB to SY?

Is the rest of the entourage trying to save themselves, although the main suspect gave the message by FF, that he will remain silent, just too late?

 

[SuperdadV8]

If HB was imprisoned by April 2015, it seems likely to be, his crime happened around 2014. A trial takes some time IMO.

In 2014 CB was a free person and ran the kiosk in Braunschweig, after he was interrogated by around the end of 2013 (november) about the MM-disappearence and maybe kind of nervous? Even a burn-out syndrome has been reported.

CB should have been aware about the fact, some of his pals told police about the footage at his house or maybe more?

Was it really a favour to clean up the house in 2006 as told by MT or a burglary, as reported by media and told to police by the former pals? Could it have been a order from CB to his accomplices to destroy evidence, that haven't been arrested at the time?

Did CB persuaded HB after the 2013 police interrogation to do a trafficking job and told police about it in some way, to get him arrested and bring him to prison? Did he thought about the person, who gave the tipp-off to L.E., that lead to him in the MM-case before 2017?

And after the charge and containment, HB had some time to develop a plan to thank him for that and delivered CB to SY?

Is the rest of the entourage trying to save themselves, although the main suspect gave the message over FF, that he will remain silent, but that was just too late?

To be honest, i am questioning the assumed "one man job" at the time!

 

[Lyndaloo]

If HB was imprisoned by April 2015, it seems likely to be, his crime happened around 2014. In 2014 CB was a free person and ran the kiosk in Braunschweig, after he was interrogated by around the end of 2013 (november) about the MM-disappearence and maybe kind of nervous?

CB should have been aware about the fact, some of his pals told police about the footage at his house? Was it a favour to clean up the house (MT) or a raid (media)? Could it have been an order to his accomplices, that haven't been arrested?

Did CB persuaded HB after the end of 2013 police interrogation to do a trafficking job and told police about in some way, to get him arrested and bring him to prison? Did he thought about the person, who gave the tipp-off to L.E., that lead to him in the MM-case before 2017?

And after the charge and containment, HB had some time to develop a plan to thank him for that and delivered CB to SY?

Is the rest of the entourage trying to save themselves, although the main suspect gave the message by FF, that he will remain silent, just too late?

Is the rest of the entourage trying to save themselves, although the main suspect gave the message by FF, that he will remain silent, just too late?[/QUOTE]

I would say yes!

 

[MENDEL]

Super, you claim things under absolutely no factual basis if they at least could have some sense. Perhaps you should tie to facts and take small steps out of them. Otherwise tomorrow they're discussing a strange call HB had from Trump the day before being arrested in Greece.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Super, you claim things under absolutely no factual basis if they at least could have some sense. Perhaps you should tie to facts and take small steps out of them.

Not claiming, but questioning Mendel due to the fact, that his former "entourage" delivered him to the L.E. after not less than ten years of silence and obviously some knowledge. Please apologise!

 

[MENDEL]

Not claiming, but questioning Mendel due to the fact, that his former "entourage" delivered him to the L.E. after not less than ten years of silence. Please apologise.

But how can anyone answer things outside any possible factual context? Do you expect people to arrange evidence for you CB didn't tell LE to have HB arrested? HB's crime in Greece was committed in 2011. He was arrested then and again when spending holidays in Greece in 2015 (not a good idea but perhaps those were sabbatical holidays).