Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

[SuperdadV8]

I think FF is preparing his defence of CB, and to do that he is looking for enough evidence that someone else could be guilty to provide reasonable doubt.

What could mean, he seems to turn away from former claims, that there will never be a charge against his client. Hard to think he visited portugal just to check the location and doing "bit of own investigation".

His client spoke about something to him. I'm pretty sure of that.

 

[peanutJelly]

What could mean, he seems to turn away from former claims, that there will never be a charge against his client. Hard to think he visited portugal just to check the location and doing "bit of own investigation".

His client spoke about something to him. I'm pretty sure of that.

Yes sounds like there’s a possibility that CB is starting to reveal things he knows. Whether he’s actually truthworthy is a different issue!

 

[peanutJelly]

I do wonder whether all the press naming of witnesses is counterproductive to encouraging anyone else to come forward though

 

[MENDEL]

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Firs Herr Wolters had no concrete evidence. Now he has material evidence. This is upgrading but CB keeps uncharged.

 

[enjy15]

I don’t think this “material evidence” statement will be a translation error/mistranslation. Material translated from English to German is material, the word is the same and means the same thing.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I don’t think this “material evidence” statement will be a translation error/mistranslation. Material translated from English to German is material, the word is the same and means the same thing.

Right! In german it can be translated as a "materieller Beweis", what means the opposite of just a circumstancial evidence.

So it would be something tangible, even if it is not already a forensic evidence. So it could be a lot, what HCW maybe is referring to.

But as long as i didn't see the whole interview and hear HCW's statement in context to a clear and straight question, i am not going to be euphoric about an edited spot, that promotes an upcoming tv-show.

 

[MENDEL]

Right! In german it can be translated as a "materieller Beweis", what means the opposite of just a circumstancial evidence.

So it would be something tangible, even if it is not already a forensic evidence. So it could be a lot, what HCW maybe is referring to.

But as long as i didn't see the whole interview and hear HCW's statement in context to a clear and straight question, i am not going to be euphoric about an edited spot, that promotes an upcoming tv-show.

Then let us know, Super. It's incredible how things are lost in translation at large from German to English.

 

[MENDEL]

Sandra Felgueiras asks Herr Wolters:

"Do you have material evidence that she's dead?" and he answers "Yes".

So it was her wno used those words and now we need to know what Herr Wolters understood.

 

[MENDEL]

According to official translations of EU documents, "materieller Beweis" translates either as "tangible evidence", "material evidence" or "firm evidence", but I'm not sure which is the source language.

In another document in English "material evidence" translated as "durch Belege" (again not sure which is source language).

In a Deutsche Telekom doc "substanzielle Hinweise" translated as "material evidence".

 

[SuperdadV8]

dict.cc | material evidence | Übersetzung Deutsch-Englisch

"Sachbeweis" (page 7- examples for "police-cadets"):

http://www.kriminalwissenschaft.de/Lehrmaterialien/05Beweislehre.pdf



Translation:

- items/objects
- traces of a crime
- pieces of evidence
- facts
- documents/papers
- traces or characteristics
- alcoholized breath

 

[enjy15]

Someone on Reddit translated the latest RTP Sextas trailer and says;

“While I can't understand the lady and the male voice over, I cann tell you the first german guy says that a Helge B (or Helge W, it's not clear enough for me to hear because of the background music!), lead the police to Christian B. as a suspect. "Dass es Helge B war, der den Verdacht auf Christian Brückner gelenkt hat" SOUNDS TO ME like he was talking about how Helge ( ) was himself involved and lead the suspicion to CB to be free from suspicion himself, but that's just my interpretion here. Here probably would have said something about a hint/tip to CB, like "der Hinweis zu Christian Bruckner kam von Helge W", instead of "leading to CB" ...”

He believes HB has admitted involvement from his interpretation.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Someone on Reddit translated the latest RTP Sextas trailer and says;

“While I can't understand the lady and the male voice over, I cann tell you the first german guy says that a Helge B (or Helge W, it's not clear enough for me to hear because of the background music!), lead the police to Christian B. as a suspect. "Dass es Helge B war, der den Verdacht auf Christian Brückner gelenkt hat" SOUNDS TO ME like he was talking about how Helge ( ) was himself involved and lead the suspicion to CB to be free from suspicion himself, but that's just my interpretion here. Here probably would have said something about a hint/tip to CB, like "der Hinweis zu Christian Bruckner kam von Helge W", instead of "leading to CB" ...”

He believes HB has admitted involvement from his interpretation.

Wouldn't be surprised, if we soon will get more to read about the former crime-pals, accusing each other. I would call them "fantastic four". IF that would happen, HCW's strategy should be a bulls eye double!

 

[enjy15]

Wouldn't be surprised, if we soon will get more to read, about the former crime-pals, accusing each other. I would call them "fantastic four". IF that would happen, HCW's strategy should be a bulls eye double!

Is it possible Helge was the one being investigated in the undercover investigation? It will be interesting to see how this plays out. They have HB, MS, MT and CB now.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Is it possible Helge was the one being investigated in the undercover investigation? It will be interesting to see how this plays out. They have HB, MS, MT and CB now.

According to HCW's unusual silence about some things, the unusual way to make a suspect known without telling his name and giving cryptic statements to media-exposed witnesses, anything is possible IMO.

But i'm always getting a clap in here for assumptions, so i don't really know!

 

[Monic]

Shortly after Madeleine disappeared, I remember a witness told something about two arguing man out site..

Maby it means nothing

 

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So NF is back at Sexta9.

 

[MENDEL]

Herr Wolters guaranteed he wouldn't open his mouth until year's end but yielded to Sandra Felgueiras.

 

[enjy15]

Herr Wolters guaranteed he wouldn't open his mouth until year's end but yielded to Sandra Felgueiras.

I’m guessing this was recorded before he made that statement! I believe this has been a series on RTP Sextas. I think the next thing we will hear will come from FF with his findings from Portugal.

 

[enjy15]

Madeleine McCann chief suspect Christian Brueckner 'had an ACCOMPLICE'

From today, the new RTP Sextas episode will hopefully expand on this.

“In a preview of the show, Presenter Sandra Felgueiras says: 'German detectives have confirmed the suspicion that Christian Brueckner had an accomplice.” - Has been confirmed rather assumed that CB had an accomplice.

 

[peanutJelly]

Madeleine McCann chief suspect Christian Brueckner 'had an ACCOMPLICE'

From today, the new RTP Sextas episode will hopefully expand on this.

“In a preview of the show, Presenter Sandra Felgueiras says: 'German detectives have confirmed the suspicion that Christian Brueckner had an accomplice.” - Has been confirmed rather assumed that CB had an accomplice.

Wonder is he looked like Tannerman?!