Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

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  • #541
I found it interesting when Sandra asked FF if CB has told him that he’s guilty and FF replied something like I cannot confirm or deny what CB has told me but that doesn’t mean he’s hiding anything.
To me, I think they are going to resist a murder charge but will admit involvement. I think CB has told FF something.
 
  • #542
IMO one of the most interesting statements of HCW is, that MS and HB are not the main witnesses in the MM case, because according to him, they don't play a big part in his investigations.

So HB might not be the one, that led L.E. to start the investigation against CB.

So that HB came forward after ten years yet, seems suspicious to me.

Yes - something about all that doesn't add up.

HB & MS aren't witnesses in respect of MM - they basically just make propensity accusations but that is not evidence.
 
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  • #544
I found it interesting when Sandra asked FF if CB has told him that he’s guilty and FF replied something like I cannot confirm or deny what CB has told me but that doesn’t mean he’s hiding anything.
To me, I think they are going to resist a murder charge but will admit involvement. I think CB has told FF something.

I wouldn't read too much into that statement.

FF can't divulge what CB has told him, unless CB were to give express permission. Also FF tends to pause to carefully consider his words.
 
  • #545
It is not all, this video don't have the parts where SF speaks in the studio.
The full episode is not yet available.

That video is missing 10min. The full episode was eventually available yesterday but now I can't find it again. I hope they aren't cutting parts.
 
  • #546
FF stated:

"Just because someone is a pedophile, he doesn't kill children."

Could be a general applicable opinion, or part of a admission from the client to his solicitor.

HCW stated:
"In my personal opinion, she died in Portugal."

There should be some footage. The metadata of that footage may include a time stamp, that leads to a time, when the suspect was in portugal. Or very soon after the abduction. Maybe just hours. The statement indicates, that the abductor wasn't heading to another country after the abduction instantly.

Or the footage itself can be linked to some place in portugal.
 
  • #547
I wouldn't read too much into that statement.

FF can't divulge what CB has told him, unless CB were to give express permission. Also FF tends to pause to carefully consider his words.
I don't know, FF has gone on the record previously to say CB denies any involvement in MM's disappearance. Why not just repeat that statement?

And that was no normal pause, it took him an age to think of what to say there.

Denied
 
  • #548
IMO one of the most interesting statements of HCW is, that MS and HB are not the main witnesses in the MM case, because according to him, they don't play a big part in his investigations.

So HB might not be the one, that led L.E. to start the investigation against CB.

So that HB came forward after ten years yet, seems suspicious to me.

HCW doesn't affirm they aren't witnesses to MM's case. I discussed that on #516

We know from Greek and German police papers HB gave witness statement on MM.

What HCW says "don't play a big part in his investigation" is DM's rape.
 
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I don't know, FF has gone on the record previously to say CB denies any involvement in MM's disappearance. Why not just repeat that statement?

And that was no normal pause, it took him an age to think of what to say there.

Denied

Agreed. He really took time to think about how to say it as well. He could have left it as I can’t discuss it but the answer was strange and ambiguous IMO.
 
  • #551
He said HB lived with him in Lâmia (I don't know where this is, Italy?) for 3 months after he left prison and that HB couldn't know about MM and not him, that they never spoke about MM. He also told HB wouldn't buy marijuana from CB if he knew CB was a murderer.

ETA: Anyway I'm not sure if HB ever saw CB as a murdered as according to Greek press from 2017 when asked if MM died, HB answered "10 years is a long time", which means he didn't know the answer.
Lamia is in Greece.
 
  • #552
Lamia is near Athens. See a previous post of mine, where I have summed up what we know (knew) about HB.
It's a 2 hr drive from Athens. HB also mentioned that he has a 60 year old German national friend in greece
 
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It's a 2 hr drive from Athens. HB also mentioned that he has a 60 year old German national friend in greece
I read a Tabloid last week re MM disappearance in which HB made reference to CB having a German friend in his 60s. It stood out to me as significant, being a remark said with the intent to imply that CB did have an accomplice. That was my initial thought when reading it (mind you, it was in print and I heard no actual words being spoken) X
 
  • #555
Listing of interviews from "Sexta às 9", September 18, 2020:

08.28 - MS
09.14 - HCW
10.02 - FF
11.14 - HCW (long interview)
19.18 - 2 women from robbery
22.22 - HCW
22.44 - FF
23.22 - MS
22.35 - HCW
22.45 - MS
22.56 - neighbor from Kleingarten
29.05 - FF
29.18 - MS
29.36 - FF in English
30.11 - MS
31.06 - HCW
31.21 - FF in English and German
33.16 - HCW in English
33.40 - FF
36.09 - HCW
37.29 - FF
38.18 - MS
39.26 - 2 women from robbery (NF's adoptive son speaks 2 times here)
40.34 - someone makes a comment in English

Current link:

Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 19 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
 
  • #556
Listing of interviews from "Sexta às 9", September 18, 2020:

08.28 - MS
09.14 - HCW
10.02 - FF
11.14 - HCW (long interview)
19.18 - 2 women from robbery
22.22 - HCW
22.44 - FF
23.22 - MS
22.35 - HCW
22.45 - MS
22.56 - neighbor from Kleingarten
29.05 - FF
29.18 - MS
29.36 - FF in English
30.11 - MS
31.06 - HCW
31.21 - FF in English and German
33.16 - HCW in English
33.40 - FF
36.09 - HCW
37.29 - FF
38.18 - MS
39.26 - 2 women from robbery (NF's adoptive son speaks 2 times here)
40.34 - someone makes a comment in English

Current link:

Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 19 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP

Wow thank you so much! So, what do we take out of this episode?
 
  • #557
You have some posts on it above from #494 on, C.greek
 
  • #558
@C.greek

That MS was surprised, HB spoke to SY about MM, because between him, MT and HB she was never mentioned. And he assumed, that if HB and MT knew about CB's involvement in the abduction, they wouldn't sold him 5 kilos of drugs for germany at dragon festival orgiva. To MS it makes no sense, that HB would talk about MM.

That fits to MT's statement IMO, he recognized CB in the Netflix documentary and knew instantly, why L.E. rang at his door last year.

So MS and MT maybe didn't know something about MM's abduction.

That leads me to the thought, HB told SY maybe nothing, that points out to MM directly, but maybe to some of CB's burglaries at PDL/OC at the time or day, MM vanished. Maybe in interaction with CB. Otherwise he would have been the only one of the three, that kept knowledge for decades. But IMO that doesn't fit to the rest of the group of pals and doesn't make sense to me either, if HB wasn't involved himself. But according to HCW, they are only investigating CB.

We can't really check it, because the passages of HB's testimony are blackened out.

In the end it could mean, that there was a 2017 bar-confession and not a 2008 Orgiva-confession. Maybe to HB, that has been out of prison since April 2017? That could fit the "one word, gulity"-statement. But MS has told, HB spent 3 months with him, after he was released from prison.

There are some things, that do not really fit together. I doubt, HCW investigates CB just only because of the testimonies of the entourage. There must be something else, that convinces german prosecuters, they got the right one.

Very odd.
 
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  • #559
Yes that was really the only significant new info, and puts to bed many of the complicated conspiracies. ;)

I'm still genuinely curious as to how proof that CB was 'in the area' on the evening concerned is still being regarded as crucial info?

I'm also genuinely curious as to why the supposedly high-minded and serious HCW continues to engage with what is essentially a clearly sensationalist tabloid news show?
 
  • #560
I don't know, FF has gone on the record previously to say CB denies any involvement in MM's disappearance. Why not just repeat that statement?

And that was no normal pause, it took him an age to think of what to say there.

Denied

Because he was asked a stupid question?

"My client affirms his innocence" is a typical formulation. But he was asked if CB admitted guilt. You simply never have that conversation, unless the client is pleading guilty.

In my bar training we learned never to have a discussion with the client about guilt because if the client says he is guilty, but wants to plead not guilty, you can no longer represent him.
 
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