Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #2

[astheworldfallsdown]

Is there a Websleuths thread for Rene Hasee?

Portugal - René Hasee, 6, German on holiday in Algarve, 21 June 1996

 

[Mrs Marple]

That was my first thought when they spoke of linking CB with other murders. And also the turnaround in the investigation. IMO

Could well be a global ring

This seems really important to me.

Police are seeking information on:

• A VW T3 Westfalia campervan. Early 1980s model, with two tone markings, a white upper body and a yellow skirting. It had a Portuguese registration plate.
• A 1993 British Jaguar, model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany.
• The phone number +351 912 730 680, which was being used by the suspect.
• The second number is +351 916 510 683, which called the suspect on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.

Re post from an earlier MSM link, bbm

 

[rebel123]

Realistically what 'border police' would be notified within an EU nation?

In other euro missing persons cases no road blocks have been set up or border police notified

See recent uk cases

That is the whole point of the EU and Interpol, so everything is one across Europe. The EU has been going long enough to get this down to a 'fine art'. They do this with 'terrorism' all the time and have been doing it since 9/11.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Here we go...

‘'In addition to child , investigators also found children's clothes for girls in a trailer on the property, although he had no family.’

Re: Box factory 2015 investigation: Inga.

Source: Scotland Yard reveals Madeleine McCann detectives have received nearly 400 tip-offs | Daily Mail Online

amazing that they found clothes in 2015, but no dna on the clothes to convict him of anything related to children at that point.
equally, entered someone else's home, spending some time torturing, and raped the victim - but only one hair was found.
is he an extremely careful planner, and extremely careful at covering his tracks, or has been extremely lucky to this point?

 

[Deleted member 268067]

So that must mean a lot of money then...

Yes. That warranted a move? The box factory wasn’t in the same vicinity.

BTW do you happen to remember the nationality of the Batchelor?

I feel like he was from Manchester but I don’t know if I read that or misremembered. There’s a link in here somewhere to the news story.

 

[Deleted member 268067]

BTW do you happen to remember the nationality of the Batchelor?

Here’s one article....

Missing Madeleine McCann 'was spotted alive weeks ago'

 

[Deleted member 268067]

Here’s one article....

Missing Madeleine McCann 'was spotted alive weeks ago'

Sorry - barrister, not bachelor.

 

[MsBetsy]

Realistically what 'border police' would be notified within an EU nation?

In other euro missing persons cases no road blocks have been set up or border police notified

See recent uk cases

From what I have read about mistakes made early on, police did not request motorway surveillance of vehicles leaving Praia da Luz the night she disappeared, or the roads near the Spanish border. The company that monitors the roads said they were not approached for information.

It's not unusual to consider that a suspect might leave the area following an abduction, although in this case I don't think that's what happened. It's more likely, if he was the man headed toward the beach, that he would have committed the crime there.

His whereabouts after that may be unknown, but if he changed the registration for his vehicle to another person, he must be fairly intelligent. This may be why investigators are having a hard time tying him to the crime. Maybe he was very careful about covering his tracks.

Imo

 

[Ardoch]

I thought he was in Portugal avoiding the custodial sentence for his earlier crimes (he didn’t serve this unless he returned to Bavaria in 1999/ 2000.)

That's what I read. Wonder how long he stayed with the girlfriend that he moved over from Germany with?

He did seem to be in the habit of moving about a lot, so maybe he had cause to be in Belgium about a year after he moved to Portugal?

 

[Officer Dibble]

I think that having little girl’s clothing in the house is really significant. Why? To dress up a victim? Because it belonged to someone? He also had adult exotic clothes - wigs etc. It’s all very theatrical. I think this points again to making video to order.

I agree

 

[Deleted member 268067]

amazing that they found clothes in 2015, but no dna on the clothes to convict him of anything related to children at that point.
equally, entered someone else's home, spending some time torturing, and raped the victim - but only one hair was found.
is he an extremely careful planner, and extremely careful at covering his tracks, or has been extremely lucky to this point?

I initially wondered at a stitch up but I’ve no reason to think the hair wasn’t taken at the crime scene in 2006 and tested later. He then did try to argue he’d stroked her cat or something so I would wager that he was familiar with the victim.

 

[Giuc0]

Diogo Santos is a very common name in Portugal, Diogo is a common male name, has been for years. And Santos is one of the most common last names in Portugal. The linking of the phone numbers to this Diogo Santos probably means nothing. It's highly possible that these phone numbers haven't been used/connected for years and were assigned to someone else. That, or someone that is actually not portuguese and not called Diogo Santos, registered it under that name. Many foreigns that end up living in Portugal for long periods of time end up "changing" their names to something more portuguese sounding: John = João; Peter = Pedro; Mary = Maria; Elizabeth = Isabel. Actually, portuguese people that emigrate to the US and english-speaking countries change their names to something nome english sounding pretty often, specially when several generations of the same family are born and raised in those countries. Katy Perry's family is from Azores, the family's real name was the very portuguese Pereira and they ended up changing it to Perry. That Nickelodeon kid, JoJo Siwa, is most likely another product of that, the family's name was probably Silva at some point. So, I wouldn't really make a big deal out of this thing about the phone numbers. Actually, I don't understand why they released those phone numbers. All they had to do was contact the portuguese provider and they should have some information dating back to when he was using it.

I ran the numbers this morning and they have not been reassigned.
But the suspect and the witness did use them in 2007, and the witness' number was deactivated years after Snapchat creation.

I think that they precisely released them because they have not been reassigned and because they need more evidence before being granted an international rogatory to interrogate Portughese carriers.

 

[Deleted member 268067]

That's what I read. Wonder how long he stayed with the girlfriend that he moved over from Germany with?

He did seem to be in the habit of moving about a lot, so maybe he had cause to be in Belgium about a year after he moved to Portugal?

I’m more interested about the possibility that he was in Bavaria when Peggy Knobloch went missing in 2001.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Yes. That warranted a move? The box factory wasn’t in the same vicinity.


I feel like he was from Manchester but I don’t know if I read that or misremembered. There’s a link in here somewhere to the news story.

"A barrister revealed a man boasted to him he believes he met her on a Mediterranean island.

The man's shock confession was made at a party in the North-west of England - and the lawyer was convinced by the level of detail."

so, the party was in NW england.
at the party the lawyer quoted in the story spoke to someone that said they had 'met' maddie on a mediterranean island.
the article doesn't say maddie was seen at a 'party'.

 

[Deleted member 268067]

"A barrister revealed a man boasted to him he believes he met her on a Mediterranean island.

The man's shock confession was made at a party in the North-west of England - and the lawyer was convinced by the level of detail."

so, the party was in NW england.
at the party the lawyer quoted in the story spoke to someone that said they had 'met' maddie on a mediterranean island.
the article doesn't say maddie was seen at a 'party'.

No. I didn’t remember the specifics until I dug out the article but given how compromised the man felt, what kind of party was it?

 

[Officer Dibble]

Ooh what’s this? Missed that.

Yesterday or the day before one of the posts quoted this and linked the article.

 

[Ardoch]

He's been on the radar for a while

Madeleine McCann: German authorities 'ignored warnings over suspect'

 

[Giuc0]

That is the whole point of the EU and Interpol, so everything is one across Europe. The EU has been going long enough to get this down to a 'fine art'. They do this with 'terrorism' all the time and have been doing it since 9/11.

At least in France, the instructing judge needs to grant an international rogatory commission before even doing anything.
I don't know the British law right now with the Brexit, but in France, even if cooperation with other EU countries is easier, it doesn't mean that a police officer, nor even a prosecuor, can say "Ok, let's go interview suspect X in country Z, we have an order from prosecutor".

Before, you need an international rogatory commission granted by the instructing judge.
And Interpol decides if it warrants a Red or Yellow Notice.

The Yves Godard case highlights the roadblocks when the police has to investigate in EU.


And terrorism crimes are dealt with differently from missing persons cases.

 

[Officer Dibble]

you don't have to open a window to see if the coast is clear though.

If you have a car out there or wish to walk down the road and the apartment doors open on the opposite side, then yes you do IMO JMO

 

[Deleted member 268067]

Yesterday or the day before one of the posts quoted this and linked the article.

It was mine! I’ve read far too much on this.