Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #20

[Dlk79]

The interactions of the dog with the toy cat were fully documented on film.
At no point does the dog alert to the toy cat.
I recommend to all to watch the video, and trust what you see in the video.
IMO it is completely evident that the dog does not alert to the toy.

Which video are you referring to? There are several, most of which have been cut and edited.

The one linked here is in the residence the McCanns were staying at after MM was abducted (not 5A). In the video, Eddie pulls cuddle cat out of a toy basket but does not bark.

The footage cuts away in the middle of the video (there's an unedited version somewhere but can't find it), during which time it appears someone has now put cuddle cat in a cupboard. Towards the end of the video, Eddie goes to cupboard and makes an alert. The handler opens the cupboard to reveal the teddy hidden inside.

It's not entirely convicing given that Eddie seeminlgy previously ignored the teddy when it was out in the open but I believe this is what the supposed "alert" claim was based on.

Also don't know how they can be sure Eddie wasn't alerting to something else on the cupboard. Unless they are trying to say that he hadn't alerted to anything there previously and only when cuddle cat was placed inside did he alert? Perhaps the handler saw it as unusual that Eddie chose to pick up cuddle cat and saw this as a potential alert even though he didn't give his normal bark? Not altogether convinced but keeping an open mind.

 

[SuperdadV8]

There are so many interesting spots at Barragem de Odiàxere, worth to look at IMO. Hasn't been the omonius letter about that place?

37,2228443, -8,7135020

 

[Arnie M]

Summary

A few months ago German police announce they have convincing evidence that CB abducted and killed Madeline

Over 20,000 posts on websleuths speculating how and why he did it

Now German police say they will be closing the file because of lack of clues.

German cops want to visit Portugal in 'final roll of dice' in Madeleine case

 

[redplanet]

Conjecture: what if the criminal intruder concealed something in the cupboard for a short period, underneath the laundry pile on the first shelf up, and then removed it.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Summary

A few months ago German police announce they have convincing evidence that CB abducted and killed Madeline

Over 20,000 posts on websleuths speculating how and why he did it

Now German police say they will be closing the file because of lack of clues.

German cops want to visit Portugal in 'final roll of dice' in Madeleine case

They had stated from the beginning, that the investigation could end without a charge. To have evidence that a child has been killed by someone and evidence, that the suspect did it BARD, are different things IMO.

 

[redplanet]

I don't know this but I would guess that all of those alerted clothes had been laying (evening 3rd) in that pile of laundry. The 2007 investigation completely failed to think of this elementary solution.

 

[redplanet]

Which video are you referring to? There are several, most of which have been cut and edited.

The one linked here is in the residence the McCanns were staying at after MM was abducted (not 5A). In the video, Eddie pulls cuddle cat out of a toy basket but does not bark.

The footage cuts away in the middle of the video (there's an unedited version somewhere but can't find it), during which time it appears someone has now put cuddle cat in a cupboard. Towards the end of the video, Eddie goes to cupboard and makes an alert. The handler opens the cupboard to reveal the teddy hidden inside.

It's not entirely convicing given that Eddie seeminlgy previously ignored the teddy when it was out in the open but I believe this is what the supposed "alert" claim was based on.

Also don't know how they can be sure Eddie wasn't alerting to something else on the cupboard. Unless they are trying to say that he hadn't alerted to anything there previously and only when cuddle cat was placed inside did he alert? Perhaps the handler saw it as unusual that Eddie chose to pick up cuddle cat and saw this as a potential alert even though he didn't give his normal bark? Not altogether convinced but keeping an open mind.

TY for posting the footage. Yes, firstly, from about 1:40 until about 2:10, Eddie finds the cat, has multiple interactions with it, and I agree completely that he does not alert to it. Soon I will move on to look at the actual alerts in this same room, and the ways GA and MG assign those alerts.

 

[redplanet]

Which video are you referring to? There are several, most of which have been cut and edited.

The one linked here is in the residence the McCanns were staying at after MM was abducted (not 5A). In the video, Eddie pulls cuddle cat out of a toy basket but does not bark.

The footage cuts away in the middle of the video (there's an unedited version somewhere but can't find it), during which time it appears someone has now put cuddle cat in a cupboard. Towards the end of the video, Eddie goes to cupboard and makes an alert. The handler opens the cupboard to reveal the teddy hidden inside.

It's not entirely convicing given that Eddie seeminlgy previously ignored the teddy when it was out in the open but I believe this is what the supposed "alert" claim was based on.

Also don't know how they can be sure Eddie wasn't alerting to something else on the cupboard. Unless they are trying to say that he hadn't alerted to anything there previously and only when cuddle cat was placed inside did he alert? Perhaps the handler saw it as unusual that Eddie chose to pick up cuddle cat and saw this as a potential alert even though he didn't give his normal bark? Not altogether convinced but keeping an open mind.

1:40 to 2:10 he interacts with cat and does not alert.
3:42 and 3:51 he sniffs at open cupboard door where cat has now been placed and does not alert.
4:06 he sniffs on top of the cupboard and does alert#1.
4:24 he sniffs the chair or something on the chair and does alert#2.
IMO alert#1 and alert#2 are clearly not alerts to the cat.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

When you consider the many apartment blocks and families occupying them, that we know of only 3 within which there are children unattended. And of these 3, the perp chose the 1 family who did not have baby monitors in the Tapas.. that is beyond lucky for an opportunist! However small, there has to be some degree of planning involved. Somebody else may have given him the information, but he had to have known! X

 

[Chiatos]

There are so many interesting spots at Barragem de Odiàxere, worth to look at IMO. Hasn't been the omonius letter about that place?

37,2228443, -8,7135020

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There's also a white van in your pic

 

[Chiatos]

Does anyone know the reason why the spot on the blanket has been refered to as "saliva" whereas it had initially been identified as semen in the forensics lab?

 

[SuperdadV8]

There's also a white van in your pic

That's what hit my eye too....

Could be similar to the other white van, that spanish guy ruled out at CB's home before.

But we do not know, when that pic here was taken for google. But to mee it is interesting, why there is a van in the middle of nowhere near an abandoned place...

 

[Dlk79]

When you consider the many apartment blocks and families occupying them, that we know of only 3 within which there are children unattended. And of these 3, the perp chose the 1 family who did not have baby monitors in the Tapas.. that is beyond lucky for an opportunist! However small, there has to be some degree of planning involved. Somebody else may have given him the information, but he had to have known! X

There were 4 families of the Tapas group leaving their children unattended, not 3. Not sure how you could know that none of the other residents in the Ocean club weren't also leaving their kids in the apartment for dinner though? We only know about those 4 because they had to give specific statements about it, nobody else in the OC would have.

And only 1 of the group had monitors that worked I believe, the Paynes who were on the second floor. I think one of the other families tried using their monitor from the restaraunt but it didn't work at that range. The McCanns apartment was also the easiest to access, being the only one accessible directly from the roadside.

 

[Newthoughts]

Which video are you referring to? There are several, most of which have been cut and edited.

The one linked here is in the residence the McCanns were staying at after MM was abducted (not 5A). In the video, Eddie pulls cuddle cat out of a toy basket but does not bark.

The footage cuts away in the middle of the video (there's an unedited version somewhere but can't find it), during which time it appears someone has now put cuddle cat in a cupboard. Towards the end of the video, Eddie goes to cupboard and makes an alert. The handler opens the cupboard to reveal the teddy hidden inside.

It's not entirely convicing given that Eddie seeminlgy previously ignored the teddy when it was out in the open but I believe this is what the supposed "alert" claim was based on.

Also don't know how they can be sure Eddie wasn't alerting to something else on the cupboard. Unless they are trying to say that he hadn't alerted to anything there previously and only when cuddle cat was placed inside did he alert? Perhaps the handler saw it as unusual that Eddie chose to pick up cuddle cat and saw this as a potential alert even though he didn't give his normal bark? Not altogether convinced but keeping an open mind.

I don't know much about cadaver dogs but Eddie will have an incredible sense of smell. I don't think he reacts to the cat but he does pay it some attention..

If he's trained to react ONLY to the smell of a cadaver that's when he'll give a positive reaction by barking. But that won't be the only thing he'll have smelled - if the death was recent he'd pick up the scent of the person before death from their clothes etc. With a very recent death wouldn't that be even stronger than the cadaver scent?

So if MM was killed in 5A and Eddie picked up the scent of a body the other strongest scent he'd pick up at that point would be MMs.

If this second event was staged shortly after would he remember that the cadaver smell was accompanied by the scent of MM and think it was worth giving the cat a bit of an extra sniff to make sure?

Would that explain his behaviour ?

And that would mean he was reacting to something else in the cupboard.

 

[Anxala]

Does anyone know the reason why the spot on the blanket has been refered to as "saliva" whereas it had initially been identified as semen in the forensics lab?

That's not strictly true. It was a very weak positive on the 'semen' front so not an identification as such, and rightly dismissed when other factors - DNA - pointed instead to the saliva of a 2yr old male child, a previous occupier of 5A.

It's all here -

The voluntary samples were also compared with 'crime stain 1', a DNA profile obtained by Portuguese scientists using their DNA profile system. The profile was recovered from suspected semen on a blanket in the apartment 5.

From the available records, I conclude that 281 voluntary samples were eliminated as contributors of DNA to the list of search profiles above, since its profile does not match the profile sought; consequently, the DNA can not have originated from them.

I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.

- P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT

 

[snowpea666]

“For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other cases, which allow Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Maddie's disappearance, to be arrested.”

This makes me believe CB is part of a network?

I think so also for sure IMO

 

[redplanet]

Eddie was at the apartment on on 31 July and at the villa on 2 Aug

 

[Lilly b]

What's this? Amaral checking whether MM was the biological daughter of GM and KM?
P.J. POLICE FILES: PORTUGUESE FORENSIC INSTITUTE TESTS

17th August 2007

The present inquiry is in relation to the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May from P da L.

The English authorities in possession of elements collected from the family home in Leicestershire, which are being examined in an unidentified laboratory, traced the girl's DNA profile, in annex to this document.

As it is necessary to the investigation we request the following:

1. Whether in the tests done by the INML Madeleine's profile was established?

2. In the case of a positive answer to point 1, that it should be determined whether the girl is the daughter of the parents identified ? Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Healy.

3. Information about whether the profile obtained by the INML corresponds to the profile traced in the English laboratory, on the request of the British authorities.

4. If there are differences between the English and Portuguese profiles that a report should be drawn up for this inquiry.

5. In the follow-up of point 4, we request to be informed whether in the English profile the girl is the daughter of the McCann couple.

6. Other information that might be of use to the investigation.

Signed G. Amaral

Well that was a long read, think I picked up on samples with letter L, being found in apartment, belonging to male, and several of them, that didn't match anyone tested, it's not that far down. Did anyone else notice that?
Slightly off subject but not, did the mc's refuse to provide medical history for MM, not that it matters, but that's why I mentioned yesterday it could be something that CB new, but no one else would if you get me, regard something about her body?

 

[Dlk79]

“For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other cases, which allow Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Maddie's disappearance, to be arrested.”

This makes me believe CB is part of a network?

You've lost me a bit there. What is it about that statement that makes you believe CB is part of a network?

We know he's being investigated about other offences such as the HB rape in Praia da Rocha and the incident with the 10yr old girl on the beach who is almost positive it was CB, neither of which suggest any kind of network activity. Plus who knows what else have pulled up on other cases.

Sorry, just don’t quite understand how you got the "network" theory from that quote, unless I'm completely missing something.

 

[Lilly b]

There are so many interesting spots at Barragem de Odiàxere, worth to look at IMO. Hasn't been the omonius letter about that place?

37,2228443, -8,7135020

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There was a letter, left in front of the apartment with mm name on, think found by the gardener or maintenance person, it was handed in to police I believe