Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #20

[Newthoughts]

No I had not heard of this before neither. But to think that a Bar owner had received a call about it, suggests to me that a number of people have obviously been sitting on information for years. And I'm not sure how well received this next comment will be - But to think some of these people could be British makes me sick to the pit of my stomach! X

I felt the same

 

[SuperdadV8]

FF was in Portugal a couple of weeks ago then told us he has info that will make us Brits fall off our chairs.

Now we see Port, German and UK LE all in Portugal together for the first (reported) time having a 'conference'

Anyone think this is just a coincidence? Or could it be we're missing something?

Although we do not have a single bit of info what FF knows or what his strategy is, his "fall off chair" statement is more likely a pipe crap, if he does not deliver! He didn't yet! Every day that vanishes, the effect fizzles out more!

But our only source are the tabloids by now! So the reliability can just be assumed.

Thruth lies often between IMO. Prosecuters and solicitors seem to do their work. It's o.k. for me!

My assumption, also my hope, goes out to some progress. Anyway what result may be presented to the public.

If it turns out as true, that at least three countries are working hard to solve the case of a missing child and try to keep a "not so socially acceptable" person away from the society, it seems to be good! JMO.

At the end, maybe we all will be surprised what that investigation will bring up, i hope or maybe i am afraid of either...

 

[redplanet]

What if there was concealment by him in one location followed by relocation to a different location by other person(s)?

 

[C.greek]

EXCLUSIVE: Maddie witness overheard sinister comment about disposing of a body
ETA BTW it's fairly elementary to work out that the first mentioned female witness is KH.

Who is KH?

 

[Scorpiette]

This has reminded me of (I can't remember which country's) LE requesting holiday makers to check their holiday photos/videos, but they specifically mentioned British tourists.
And now FF's remarks about the Brits will be 'falling off their chairs' comment....
I wonder if his comment is somehow linked with the request/appeal to British holiday makers?
Curious.

 

[SuperdadV8]

This has reminded me of (I can't remember which country's) LE requesting holiday makers to check their holiday photos/videos, but they specifically mentioned British tourists.
And now FF's remarks about the Brits will be 'falling off their chairs' comment....
I wonder if his comment is somehow linked with the request/appeal to British holiday makers?
Curious.

Well, IMO that's an issue of interpretation. To think, the perp could be revealed by holiday pics seems possible yes. But to me it would seem like wishful thinking.

Maybe they need info about PDL and McCanns movements in 2007, because 13 years is a long period!

They need to get a picture of the past, to build up coherences maybe...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

This has reminded me of (I can't remember which country's) LE requesting holiday makers to check their holiday photos/videos, but they specifically mentioned British tourists.
And now FF's remarks about the Brits will be 'falling off their chairs' comment....
I wonder if his comment is somehow linked with the request/appeal to British holiday makers?
Curious.

IMO, I don’t think any requests are general, I think they are strategic and targeted. Okay, if they manage to get a holiday snap with his car then perhaps that’s useful but I think they are talking to specific people and making specific requests.

As an example, the recent photos of the three-finger CB selfie and the picture of him with the pixelated girl. I don’t know the source of the photos but they were released to German media, they don’t seem to have been picked up elsewhere and now I can’t find them online. I think it’s possible that these photos were released to inform CB and FF of information they have which was not collected at the box-factory but another source ... perhaps a more incriminating source, this may explain why FF has lost his media voice recently.

On the other requests, I think it’s likely they have photos of other victims and associates and exif data showing location and time and this is possibly May 2007. For some reason (Perhaps sunburn ) they suspect that these people are British ... they don’t have voice information or the accents would allow them to identify where to focus in the UK.

I just think that the investigation is at too late a stage, and let’s face it German LE is completely committed, to be making requests for random information - IMO they are nudging specific individuals to talk.

 

[redplanet]

Who is KH?

an earlier, unrelated statement by this witness is in the PJ files

 

[redplanet]

IMO, I don’t think any requests are general, I think they are strategic and targeted. Okay, if they manage to get a holiday snap with his car then perhaps that’s useful but I think they are talking to specific people and making specific requests.

As an example, the recent photos of the three-finger CB selfie and the picture of him with the pixelated girl. I don’t know the source of the photos but they were released to German media, they don’t seem to have been picked up elsewhere and now I can’t find them online. I think it’s possible that these photos were released to inform CB and FF of information they have which was not collected at the box-factory but another source ... perhaps a more incriminating source, this may explain why FF has lost his media voice recently.

On the other requests, I think it’s likely they have photos of other victims and associates and exif data showing location and time and this is possibly May 2007. For some reason (Perhaps sunburn ) they suspect that these people are British ... they don’t have voice information or the accents would allow them to identify where to focus in the UK.

I just think that the investigation is at too late a stage, and let’s face it German LE is completely committed, to be making requests for random information - IMO they are nudging specific individuals to talk.

The BKA appeal IMO does not imply that the other persons with knowledge are necessarily british. It is IMO rephrasings in the newspapers which imply that. Here is the BKA doc:
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

 

[redplanet]

IMO, I don’t think any requests are general, I think they are strategic and targeted. Okay, if they manage to get a holiday snap with his car then perhaps that’s useful but I think they are talking to specific people and making specific requests.

As an example, the recent photos of the three-finger CB selfie and the picture of him with the pixelated girl. I don’t know the source of the photos but they were released to German media, they don’t seem to have been picked up elsewhere and now I can’t find them online. I think it’s possible that these photos were released to inform CB and FF of information they have which was not collected at the box-factory but another source ... perhaps a more incriminating source, this may explain why FF has lost his media voice recently.

On the other requests, I think it’s likely they have photos of other victims and associates and exif data showing location and time and this is possibly May 2007. For some reason (Perhaps sunburn ) they suspect that these people are British ... they don’t have voice information or the accents would allow them to identify where to focus in the UK.

I just think that the investigation is at too late a stage, and let’s face it German LE is completely committed, to be making requests for random information - IMO they are nudging specific individuals to talk.

The paragraph commencing "furthermore" is very specific, it is clearly not a general appeal addressed to hundreds of tourists and residents. It appears to be an appeal to an extremely small number of people, whose identities the BKA do not know.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

 

[redplanet]

The BKA appeal suggests other person(s) possibly know the location. Hypothetically if that's correct, is it possible he doesn't???

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The BKA appeal IMO does not imply that the other persons with knowledge are necessarily british. It is IMO rephrasings in the newspapers which imply that. Here is the BKA doc:
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

You are correct based on the initial request detailed in the link but I’m sure I can recall HCW specifically mentioning “British” people/tourists ... but I could be wrong.

 

[Okapi]

He said: "We need help from the people, from British tourists that might have been between 1995 and 2007 in Praia da Luz. Only with these calls we can solve the case of Madeleine McCann."


Madeleine McCann: German prosecutor has 'evidence' British girl is dead

 

[Arnie M]

EXCLUSIVE: Maddie witness overheard sinister comment about disposing of a body
ETA BTW it's fairly elementary to work out that the first mentioned female witness is KH.

Not saying she is not telling the truth but I find it hard to believe that abductor(s) of Madeleine would make that comment in public .... "Why did you bring her here? Now we will have to dispose of the body.”

Especially if she was 100 yards from the conversation ...... The Sunday Express understands the comment was heard several hundred yards from the Ocean Club in a residential area towards the seafront.

Unless I have misunderstood the article ...... and she meant she was staying 100 yards from the club ..... and heard the "private" conversation from an adjoining balcony or something. In that case it would make sense.

The next obvious thing would be to get the names of people registered in those rooms (residences)

But the biggest red flag to me is she never mentioned it during the first fresh interview .... only years later.

Attention getter ? I dont know.

 

[Chiatos]

EXCLUSIVE: Maddie witness overheard sinister comment about disposing of a body
ETA BTW it's fairly elementary to work out that the first mentioned female witness is KH.

I don't understand this news item:
1. A British woman overheard a man saying: why did you bring her here. Who is the woman and who is her?
Who is the man? Is he the "owner of a pub"?
2. The same woman used to live opposite app. 5A
3. The same woman did not mention her overhearing to PJ
4. The same woman came forward with this info in 2008
5. The owner of a pub was called by a woman. Who is this second woman?
And how does the first woman know that the owner was called by a woman, not by a man?

Do you mean KH=MM's mother?

 

[Okapi]

He said: "We need help from the people, from British tourists that might have been between 1995 and 2007 in Praia da Luz. Only with these calls we can solve the case of Madeleine McCann."


Madeleine McCann: German prosecutor has 'evidence' British girl is dead

Actually, just on that, I wonder why the parameters of investigation stretch back to 1995? Does that imply organised activity, by several persons? Or information sought about properties?

Just musing.

 

[Chiatos]

He said: "We need help from the people, from British tourists that might have been between 1995 and 2007 in Praia da Luz. Only with these calls we can solve the case of Madeleine McCann."


Madeleine McCann: German prosecutor has 'evidence' British girl is dead

It also reads:
He (HCW) said: "We think our suspect has done more crimes possibly against British, Irish or American people. All these people are asked to call us so we can solve these cases."

 

[redplanet]

Actually, just on that, I wonder why the parameters of investigation stretch back to 1995? Does that imply organised activity, by several persons? Or information sought about properties?

Just musing.

Because he was in Algarve since 1995?

 

[Victoria Chambers]

I don't understand this news item:
1. A British woman overheard a man saying: why did you bring her here. Who is the woman and who is her?
Who is the man? Is he the "owner of a pub"?
2. The same woman used to live opposite app. 5A
3. The same woman did not mention her overhearing to PJ
4. The same woman came forward with this info in 2008
5. The owner of a pub was called by a woman. Who is this second woman?
And how does the first woman know that the owner was called by a woman, not by a man?

Do you mean KH=MM's mother?

This is what makes me think that people have known and have been whispering about the events of that night for years. And I find that very disturbing when you think of the McCanns suffering over MM plus the added, relentless terrorising they have endured from people in general. It's awful X

 

[Dlk79]

I don't understand this news item:
1. A British woman overheard a man saying: why did you bring her here. Who is the woman and who is her?
Who is the man? Is he the "owner of a pub"?
2. The same woman used to live opposite app. 5A
3. The same woman did not mention her overhearing to PJ
4. The same woman came forward with this info in 2008
5. The owner of a pub was called by a woman. Who is this second woman?
And how does the first woman know that the owner was called by a woman, not by a man?

Do you mean KH=MM's mother?

I agree the article is very ambiguous and believe this is possibly deliberate.

Answering what I can, I think the suggestion is that the first woman they mention is this person -
P.J. POLICE FILES: KELSIE HARRIS WIFE OF MATTHEW FAZACKERLEY

It matches in the sense she is British, her address is located right next to the Ocean club and the date of her statement is exactly 13 days after MM went missing. As you can see, it mentions nothing about this apparently overheard conversation in this statement. It's possible I suppose it has been redacted or forms part of the missing PJ files but would seem unlikely.

As for who the rest of the people are in the report, that's up to interpretation. In this story, the 'her' is abviously meant to imply they are talking about MM. The overhead 'man' could be anyone. Some might infer that if it is the witness we think, she could possibly be referring to the same man she made her initial statement about. There is bad blood between them and he did live in the vicinity of where the conversation is claimed to have taken place. That's all conjecture though.

The other bit, about the phonecall at the bar? I've no idea. It sounds like first witness is claiming to have been told about a seperate incident where a dead body was also discussed.

Or, it could be that they are actually talking about the same oveheard conversation. It might be saying that it was actually some other unknown woman who had overheard this conversation about having to get rid of a dead body. This unknown woman then told the pub owner about it on a phone call. And this British witness then learnt about this call (possibly from the bar owner directly or someone else he told about it) several days later, and that is what she is actually recounting about in her statement. Not that she overheard it herself but saying that someone else had.

It's all really unclear and a bit woolly. Not sure whether it could be an interesting lead or if it's just total nonsense. I haven't seen the claim reported anywhere else other than in this Express article and it doesn't really sound like they know all the facts either.