Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[redplanet]

It sounds that way. One thing we can deduce is that none of the evidence they are sitting on points strongly to any pre-planned abduction scenario if they are keeping that burglary option open.

I don't know if it is significant or not, but even where he does talk about the possibility of it being planned, the word "abduction" is still not used. Instead, he says "going after a child", which is much looser term. That could be interpreted to mean a planned abduction or it can also mean entering with the intent to abuse MM in the apartment.

Yes I think his non-use of the word abduction is deliberate

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I agree that it was a genuine attempt at putting together a timeline of checks that evening to help the investigation.
I think I'm correct in saying that K and G were not involved in the writing down of the checks on the scrap of paper taken from a sticker book.
I don't think that they were trying to protect their reputations at that stage at all, there would have been no need to have been defensive and lie about the checks.
It seems to me that genuine inconsistencies in the T9 accounts have been perceived as lies by conspiracy theorists over the years, initially fueled by PJ and the media.

You may be right. I think the fact that they were doctors who had left there children unattended may have caused them to omit or embellish some things ... not outright lie, I didn’t say that. I think the statements from 4 May people knew it was serious but some were probably thinking that MM would still be found, the statements after 4 May are based on a situation that has really escalated. Obviously, this is just my opinion.

 

[redplanet]

The second reason given for keeping the huge evidence secret from absolutely everyone, is: "also to use it to verify with any possible lead that would come in now".

I'm puzzled also by this second reason. I would understand if BKA decided to hold back a key detail or two. But instead they are holding back almost everything they know about the course of events IMO.
IMO there may be a rather different good reason why BKA do not wish to release their concrete evidence.

 

[redplanet]

HCW (16 Aug 2020): "Our investigation is focused on this suspect, but we're not ruling out that he may have worked with others and that there are other persons who may be of interest"
Madeleine McCann 'not the only victim' of Christian Brueckner, chief prosecutor in case says

 

[Okapi]

HCW (16 Aug 2020): "Our investigation is focused on this suspect, but we're not ruling out that he may have worked with others and that there are other persons who may be of interest"
Madeleine McCann 'not the only victim' of Christian Brueckner, chief prosecutor in case says

And I guess that could mean people who consumed content as much as it could mean people who were directly involved with taking and harming MBM.

 

[mrjitty]

You may be right. I think the fact that they were doctors who had left there children unattended may have caused them to omit or embellish some things ... not outright lie, I didn’t say that. I think the statements from 4 May people knew it was serious but some were probably thinking that MM would still be found, the statements after 4 May are based on a situation that has really escalated. Obviously, this is just my opinion.

I think there is certainly a problem with contamination, and you risk including hearsay via the back door. This is because a witness may be uncertain about something, or not have directly observed something, but may become convinced something "must have happened" due to other information they receive later and it can be very hard to untangle that.

I think you can certainly see that the witnesses, in creating the timeline, came to be influenced by JT's account. Yet at the very least given Met findings, and the false identification of RM, JTs evidence is highly unreliable. But it is not possible to unpick it

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think there is certainly a problem with contamination, and you risk including hearsay via the back door. This is because a witness may be uncertain about something, or not have directly observed something, but may become convinced something "must have happened" due to other information they receive later and it can be very hard to untangle that.

I think you can certainly see that the witnesses, in creating the timeline, came to be influenced by JT's account. Yet at the very least given Met findings, and the false identification of RM, JTs evidence is highly unreliable. But it is not possible to unpick it

I agree with this, in a prior post I mentioned that in a group situation people would perhaps change their recollections based on those of the most influential person/people in the group. As you mention with JT, people with key information will also influence other people.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

This pic is from the pjfiles re 2 vehicles from the McCluskey sighting. At a glance, it looks resolved. But is it?
The McCluskeys saw a man exit a white pick up truck and stagger up the street carrying a child. They approach the vehicle and jot down the reg. A dark vehicle then pulls up with the occupants, 2 men- speaking English- saying they had turned their car around after seeing the man in the pick up truck seemingly hit the child. The McCluskey also jot down their registration.
A Ukranian couple were identified as owning the 2nd darker vehicle. At the address, the father nor the child could be identified since they had left for the Ukraine. But the Mum acknowledged the McCluskeys man was her husband and the child her daughter - coming home from crèche at 2am!
But the dark car and occupants were not the people in question here. It was a man whose initials are CALN, he is named with the vehicle. I cannot find anything in the files about him! Unless he is amongst the sex offenders? X

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Death in the apartment theory from Nov 2007. Does anyone know anything more about the Publico reconstruction, contained in this article?

Madeleine 'was killed as she screamed at pervert prowler', police to

 

[Denis R Tandib]

This covers GM’s alleged thoughts about the intruder being in 5A during his 9:05pm check - again from 2007.

Gerry McCann 'came close to Madeleine's abductor'

 

[Ardoch]

HCW (16 Aug 2020): "Our investigation is focused on this suspect, but we're not ruling out that he may have worked with others and that there are other persons who may be of interest"
Madeleine McCann 'not the only victim' of Christian Brueckner, chief prosecutor in case says

I've always had a hunch that, if it was CB, that he didn't act alone and that someone carried her to a nearby, off-road car parking spot and not just because of any witness sightings of someone carrying a child.
People have commented before about how clever - or not, CB has been with his previous crimes; I can't imagine he would have acted alone in this one. IMO

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Re the cadaver dogs and what was indicated. I always thought it ludicrous to assume that the McCanns hired a vehicle 3 weeks after MM vanished, with the eyes of the world upon them. And then perhaps were involved in an incident that involved a cadaver being placed in the boot. I think there is a possibility of their jobs, the fact they both work in death related scenes etc could be a factor re their clothing. But also, and I'm going to sound like a crazy woman now, but I shall point it out anyway. The lead investigator GA, is leading the team in the possible death of MM, handling of evidence etc. Cadaver and blood dogs involved. Actively working the case - found his pet dog murdered and because he was in a rush to get to work, he put it in the car and discarded of it later! Giving his position, the case itself and the possibility of cross contamination, why on God's earth did he think this was OK? Because make of it what you will, but personally, I thinks it is highly questionable X

 

[Zuleika]

I've always had a hunch that, if it was CB, that he didn't act alone and that someone carried her to a nearby, off-road car parking spot and not just because of any witness sightings of someone carrying a child.
People have commented before about how clever - or not, CB has been with his previous crimes; I can't imagine he would have acted alone in this one. IMO

Without the child waking up ,screaming ?Unlikely . Her grandmother said she was a real screamer .

 

[SuperdadV8]

Re the cadaver dogs and what was indicated. I always thought it ludicrous to assume that the McCanns hired a vehicle 3 weeks after MM vanished, with the eyes of the world upon them. And then perhaps were involved in an incident that involved a cadaver being placed in the boot. I think there is a possibility of their jobs, the fact they both work in death related scenes etc could be a factor re their clothing. But also, and I'm going to sound like a crazy woman now, but I shall point it out anyway. The lead investigator GA, is leading the team in the possible death of MM, handling of evidence etc. Cadaver and blood dogs involved. Actively working the case - found his pet dog murdered and because he was in a rush to get to work, he put it in the car and discarded of it later! Giving his position, the case itself and the possibility of cross contamination, why on God's earth did he think this was OK? Because make of it what you will, but personally, I thinks it is highly questionable X

Similar thoughts from me. It makes no sense to link cadaver smell to cars that had been hired weeks later, or apartments that had been left weeks before, while every single movement of the MC's had been reported by the media 24/7 from day one.

More likely was there a contamination from a third party, either circumstantially, or even intentionally to set a wrong track! PJ should have been informed about the planned operation of the sniffer dogs very well and very early...

Could explain the "narrow mindness" of portugese officials very well. IMO.

 

[SuperdadV8]

If true reporting, do i smell that CB and FF aren't pulling together anymore, like they did in the past...?

It has become quiet about FF IMO. A few weeks ago, his appearence in the media seemed much more belligerent to me.

Maddie suspect ‘won't let cell attack lie’ & ‘sues’ guards for ‘breaking ribs’

 

[Newthoughts]

And I guess that could mean people who consumed content as much as it could mean people who were directly involved with taking and harming MBM.

My opinion also is that that is what they might mean. I can't help thinking that the subsequent publicity would have pushed up the price of that content.

 

[redplanet]

Death in the apartment theory from Nov 2007. Does anyone know anything more about the Publico reconstruction, contained in this article?

Madeleine 'was killed as she screamed at pervert prowler', police to

TY. Interesting

 

[Victoria Chambers]

When MM was made to be a ward to the High Court. Meaning judge's can act on her best interests in any legal dispute, does this apply in all courts. Or only in UK courts? X

 

[redplanet]

This pic is from the pjfiles re 2 vehicles from the McCluskey sighting. At a glance, it looks resolved. But is it?
The McCluskeys saw a man exit a white pick up truck and stagger up the street carrying a child. They approach the vehicle and jot down the reg. A dark vehicle then pulls up with the occupants, 2 men- speaking English- saying they had turned their car around after seeing the man in the pick up truck seemingly hit the child. The McCluskey also jot down their registration.
A Ukranian couple were identified as owning the 2nd darker vehicle. At the address, the father nor the child could be identified since they had left for the Ukraine. But the Mum acknowledged the McCluskeys man was her husband and the child her daughter - coming home from crèche at 2am!
But the dark car and occupants were not the people in question here. It was a man whose initials are CALN, he is named with the vehicle. I cannot find anything in the files about him! Unless he is amongst the sex offenders? X

The solution is IMO this. The Ukranian man MK (who was seen carrying a child by the English couple) had been driving the white Toyota Hilux pickup, which he did not own, it was owned by his Portuguese employer CALN.
MK himself owned the grey (cinzento) VW Golf.
The young portuguese couple who were additional witnesses were in a small red car (which PJ correctly did not run a trace on).

 

[Newthoughts]

This covers GM’s alleged thoughts about the intruder being in 5A during his 9:05pm check - again from 2007.

Gerry McCann 'came close to Madeleine's abductor'

'has become convinced' now 'believes'. All of that is thinking with hindsight. If he'd really felt the door was that odd when he went in he would not have left his children till he'd checked every single hiding place.

I'm not saying CB wasn't there. He may or may not have been. I'm not pushing any theory but GM is not helping anything by thinking backwards publicly. All he should keep in his mind are cold hard facts - written down. Speculation should be private lest any defence lawyer seizes on it.

If CB could show he was somewhere else at that point GM's ponderings could just be the element of doubt CBs defence needs