Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[tedtink]

My line of thinking is that once CB transfers to another prison we won't see any charge brought re MM in the new year.
I think the other crimes being investigated, those charges may be brought first.
JMO

 

[SuperdadV8]

My line of thinking is that once CB transfers to another prison we won't see any charge brought re MM in the new year.
I think the other crimes being investigated, those charges may be brought first.
JMO

That's possible. It's much closer to the prosecuters office, than Kiel.

 

[tedtink]

Interesting that following the dirt track/stream south from the BSJ Hippy Market will lead you almost directly into PDL. CB most likely would have known this back way, the stream would allow for plenty of reed growth as in the VW image. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a stream between the VW and the treeline in the image, could also be a pond/lake, but judging by the way the reeds/trees are growing I would say a stream.
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Ah yes - sorry the place I was referring to was the National Park in BDS, same reeds and tree's, a vast area with lakes and ponds.

 

[tedtink]

I would go for a camera on a timer/tripod or something makeshift. The flash seems a bit too intense for it to be from a 2007 phone camera.
Would you agree that the night photo was taken first and the day photo is early morning? Or the day shot first and the night shot after.

Makeshift.
Like a camera placed on the bumper of another car (Jag) with its headlights/sidelights on?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Another interesting place between PDL and BSJ, very close to a camping ground!

I also see some kind of a fence-like structure, vegetation, grass and sand.

37°06'09.7"N 8°43'42.7"W

Luz, Portugal

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[Sharkbite]

Makeshift.
Like a camera placed on the bumper of another car (Jag) with its headlights/sidelights on?

The other vehicle (Jag) would have to have been parked on a slope lower than the VW to get the camera POV and to be able to illuminate the vans underside.

I was thinking 'makeshift' as in a cigarette packet, stick or stone, just something that could prop the camera to get the angle for the shot.

 

[tedtink]

The other vehicle (Jag) would have to have been parked on a slope lower than the VW to get the camera POV and to be able to illuminate the vans underside.

I was thinking 'makeshift' as in a cigarette packet, stick or stone, just something that could prop the camera to get the angle for the shot.

Just had a horribly sad thought and I don't want to elaborate.
Could someone very small have taken the pic?

JMO

 

[Sharkbite]

Another interesting place between PDL and BSJ, very close to a camping ground!

I also see some kind of a fence-like structure, vegetation, grass and sand.

37°06'09.7"N 8°43'42.7"W

Luz, Portugal

Google Maps

Just had a horribly sad thought and I don't want to elaborate.
Could someone very small have taken the pic?

JMO

I think you would have to be very lucky to get a compositionally correct image from a young child in the dark. I go with a digital camera on a tripod and self timer.

There is a slightly larger version of the VW daylight image with a bit more foreground than others I've seen. it's on the Shining in Luz site. Nothing really to see apart from some more mysterious scratch marks.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Does somebody has got some more info, about how this story came to an end or something else?

Club doorman tells Spanish police he knows who snatched Madeleine McCann - Olive Press News Spain

 

[tedtink]

I think you would have to be very lucky to get a compositionally correct image from a young child in the dark. I go with a digital camera on a tripod and self timer.

There is a slightly larger version of the VW daylight image with a bit more foreground than others I've seen. it's on the Shining in Luz site. Nothing really to see apart from some more mysterious scratch marks.

It may be just a coincidental, but I wonder why that last (night) photo was released and where did it come from? And if these pics have been released sequentially for some reason?
The ones that BKA released in the beginning, PDL houses and the day pic, is there any way they would know the dates the pics were taken?
Probably over thinking this, but,I just can't seem to shake off the " I will document everything" CB said in the chatroom conversation on a later date.
Are we (and CB) being given the story of events by BKA of what they think they know happened or maybe I'm overthinking / have lockdown fever!

JMO

 

[Anxala]

But, surely, at some point he will have to work backwards to that night? He will need to place CB somewhere near PdL? And I think that could be what FF can and will use. He only needs to knock Beyond all Reasonable Doubt

If the prosecution's claim is that CB is the actual abductor - ie. the one who took MM from 5A - as well as the murderer, then yes, I think he'll have to, since, as far as I can recall (but correct me if I'm wrong), HCW has said a number of times that they're not looking for anyone else in connection to the disappearance/murder.

Does somebody has got some more info, about how this story came to an end or something else?
Club doorman tells Spanish police he knows who snatched Madeleine McCann - Olive Press News Spain

Since the article dates back to 2011 and implies within it that contact would be made with the guy making the claims, I suspect it turned out to be not something that was pursued.

It's hard to know though since these paedophile ring claims don't always attract the type of official scrutiny that one would expect they should.

 

[redplanet]

Makeshift.
Like a camera placed on the bumper of another car (Jag) with its headlights/sidelights on?

Car headlights would cause double shadows. A motorbike headlight would cause single shadows. But in the night photo we see no shadows at all. Every shadow is exactly hidden from our view by the object which casts it. Therefore the light source is single and is located exactly at the camera. It is flash built in to a camera, or flash built in to a phone camera.

 

[redplanet]

The other vehicle (Jag) would have to have been parked on a slope lower than the VW to get the camera POV and to be able to illuminate the vans underside.

I was thinking 'makeshift' as in a cigarette packet, stick or stone, just something that could prop the camera to get the angle for the shot.

Yes a makeshift tripod substitute like you suggest makes sense.

 

[peanutJelly]

Does somebody has got some more info, about how this story came to an end or something else?

Club doorman tells Spanish police he knows who snatched Madeleine McCann - Olive Press News Spain

Apologies for the source, it has been reported elsewhere but can’t find just now.

Always wondered if these 2 stories were linked?

Timings in 2013 when I think CB started to be looked at

Madeleine McCann sighting: Witness claims to have spotted Maddie alive just weeks ago

 

[redplanet]

To illustrate the limited nature of the phone data available to track CB, here from the police files is an attempt to understand another phone connecting within 2.5 minutes to two masts very distant from each other
"Lagos is a distance ... from Aljezur ... 34 km by road. To cover this distance in about two and a half minutes one would have to travel at a speed of 816 km/h, which is impossible to be achieved in any terrestrial vehicle produced up to this time"

.... it's lucky she didn't get a 507mph speeding ticket. This demonstrates that police brain cells sometimes misfire and we can solve better than them.

 

[redplanet]

I would go for a camera on a timer/tripod or something makeshift. The flash seems a bit too intense for it to be from a 2007 phone camera.
Would you agree that the night photo was taken first and the day photo is early morning? Or the day shot first and the night shot after.

If the night photo is a selfie, camera stabilised against a makeshift object on ground, this implies there is no-one else there (no-one to operate the camera), but he is making a hand salute intended for a person, therefore probably after making the photo he immediately sends it via MMS to someone???

 

[Dlk79]

Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect

Speaking exclusively to The Mirror, chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “If we file charges and he is acquitted, then the case is dead for ever.

“In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

“If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said ‘Ah, we still have a few doubts’ then we would not be able to get him later.”

Speaking from the public prosecution office in Braunschweig, Lower Saxony, Mr Wolters added: “Therefore we want to collect as much evidence as possible.”

A case in Bremen illustrated how rigid the German double-jeopardy law can be

A taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child but years later advances in forensic technology meant his DNA could be matched to a sperm sample found at the crime scene.

Mr Wolters said: “Here it was completely clear that this taxi driver was the perpetrator, but it was not possible to charge him again… so tragic.”

 

[redplanet]

If the night photo was taken to send to someone, maybe it was soon after parting company with the 3 people from Sachsen and their caravan (near Vera), and maybe CB is camping out alone in the VW on route back to Portugal and takes the photo and sends it to them? It's a guess.

 

[tedtink]

Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect

Speaking exclusively to The Mirror, chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “If we file charges and he is acquitted, then the case is dead for ever.

“In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

“If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said ‘Ah, we still have a few doubts’ then we would not be able to get him later.”

Speaking from the public prosecution office in Braunschweig, Lower Saxony, Mr Wolters added: “Therefore we want to collect as much evidence as possible.”

A case in Bremen illustrated how rigid the German double-jeopardy law can be

A taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child but years later advances in forensic technology meant his DNA could be matched to a sperm sample found at the crime scene.

Mr Wolters said: “Here it was completely clear that this taxi driver was the perpetrator, but it was not possible to charge him again… so tragic.”

OK so they don't have enough evidence to charge at the moment, but I guess we knew that.
One thing that strikes me about the comparison he gave regarding the taxi driver was when he said 'it was completely clear that the taxi driver was the perpetrator'...........
I still think BKA are certain they have the right man - let's hope they get the evidence they need.

 

[C.greek]

Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect

Speaking exclusively to The Mirror, chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “If we file charges and he is acquitted, then the case is dead for ever.

“In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

“If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said ‘Ah, we still have a few doubts’ then we would not be able to get him later.”

Speaking from the public prosecution office in Braunschweig, Lower Saxony, Mr Wolters added: “Therefore we want to collect as much evidence as possible.”

A case in Bremen illustrated how rigid the German double-jeopardy law can be

A taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child but years later advances in forensic technology meant his DNA could be matched to a sperm sample found at the crime scene.

Mr Wolters said: “Here it was completely clear that this taxi driver was the perpetrator, but it was not possible to charge him again… so tragic.”

These are important statements IMO. Let's hope they find the extra evidence they need. And we should at this point I think not doubt HCW that they have the right man. It is clear from the comparison he makes that they do have enough evidence linking CB to the crime but perhaps not bulletproof yet to sentence him in court for certain.