Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[peanutJelly]

I agree. To warrant someone in HCW's position to say what he has, with conviction, does suggest something major like a video or photographic evidence.

But then why not enough to press charges?

 

[peanutJelly]

But then if someone had been in the apartment previously, they're really taking a chance that MM wouldn't have mentioned it (or partly) the next day.
If an abduction had been planned, could visiting the apartment on two occasions not potentially scupper it?

Unfortunately lots of children are abused and their parents are unaware

 

[peanutJelly]

Of course, I have children and grandchildren myself.
If a young child was on their own in an apartment and a stranger came in and spoke to them there's no saying if they would mention it to their parents or not. Even taking into consideration any possible "stories" the stranger might say to them. My point was that if it had been planned, I don't think that they would have taken that risk.

I don't necessarily agree either with the opportunistic scenario of the abduction being secondary to a burglary. IMO

Also with days full of activities there was not much opportunity for conversation with family, and young children live very much in the present

 

[redplanet]

But please can anyone post an official source actually stating that the spots on the walls and on the curtain were blood? I can't find any such source in the files. Instead I find, for example:

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 21.

286A/2007-CRL 16 & 16B Two blue curtains and one white curtain
286B/2007-CRL 1 One white section of a curtain

These curtains were analysed for traces of blood, semen and saliva, none of which were detected.

 

[Ardoch]

Unfortunately lots of children are abused and their parents are unaware

I wasn't necessarily thinking abuse; just the presence of a stranger in the apartment.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Madeleine McCann still a missing person case - Dame Cressida Dick

 

[redplanet]

Madeleine McCann still a missing person case - Dame Cressida Dick

... said the force was working with German investigators but had not seen all of their evidence.

I simply do not believe that OG, knowing that BKA confidently claim to know what happened to the child (and who did it, and even how), have just sat back and not requested BKA to share that concrete evidence. That would be ridiculous IMO.
The real situation IMO must surely be that BKA are actually sharing with OG, IMO.

 

[Okapi]

CB talked about MM in the chatroom.
Perhaps, during that conversation and the 'bragging' to HB, CB gave specific details away about events the evening of 3rd May, and LE have managed to confirm those details with pics and video's found at the box factory.

JMO

German paedophile 'wrote about Madeleine McCann abduction in web chat room'

And this may relate to how the child was incapacitated. Any vision may testify to her physical state, as opposed to her mere appearance.

 

[Okapi]

But then if someone had been in the apartment previously, they're really taking a chance that MM wouldn't have mentioned it (or partly) the next day.
If an abduction had been planned, could visiting the apartment on two occasions not potentially scupper it?

MM may not have known for certain he was there. He may have entered to scope out the apartment (for children and/or valuables). He may have hidden in the shadows masturbating, as he did in the playgrounds. She may have sensed his presence but not actually seen him. He may have lost his nerve and left, and returned emboldened the next night. There's a lot of maybes.

But he was an expert burglar and HB (the Irish lady who was attacked in her apartment) said that she suspected her assailant had been in her apartment on more than one occasion before the night of her assault.

 

[Zuleika]

But please can anyone post an official source actually stating that the spots on the walls and on the curtain were blood? I can't find any such source in the files. Instead I find, for example:

Have you Googled random words , PJ files /bloodspot images /curtains / walls ?

 

[Okapi]

When asked whether or not he has proof of CB being inside the apartment, HCW said he does have an answer, but is not going to say it, because to give the answer would prompt more questions.
What do you make of this? If instead he gave a straight answer what would it would be?
Would it be "Yes I have evidence he was in 5A"?
or "No I do not have evidence he was in 5A"?

Actually I now wonder if CB told HB or another associate that he was in the apartment on more than one occasion.

 

[Okapi]

Actually I now wonder if CB told HB or another associate that he was in the apartment on more than one occasion.

Also I'm going to differentiate between our two HBs as follows:
HBu for the whistleblower and HBe for the Irish lady.

 

[Loobyloo]

I simply do not believe that OG, knowing that BKA confidently claim to know what happened to the child (and who did it, and even how), have just sat back and not requested BKA to share that concrete evidence. That would be ridiculous IMO.
The real situation IMO must surely be that BKA are actually sharing with OG, IMO.

They probably have asked, but BKA have declined. I think the explanation given in the article is plausibly vague:

'Despite the close co-operation, she said she did not expect "every single piece of material to be shared with us".

"I'm sure they're sharing the relevant things at the relevant times with us," Dame Cressida said.'​

 

[redplanet]

They probably have asked, but BKA have declined. I think the explanation given in the article is plausibly vague:

'Despite the close co-operation, she said she did not expect "every single piece of material to be shared with us".

"I'm sure they're sharing the relevant things at the relevant times with us," Dame Cressida said.'​

You may be right, but IMO it is likely BKA are sharing their concrete information with OG, and presumably there is a sound investigational reason IMO why it is expedient to keep this under their hats.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

From the PJfiles: Blood Spatter Images. Samples taken Aug1-Aug4 2007. This just does not work for death in 5a for me. Firstly, blood beneath the window sill where the sofa is usually placed. If the sofa was pulled out further than the wall and death occurred in the space between the 2, there would be more blood on the back of the sofa! The curtains must be open for the wall to have been spattered in that exact place, so the 5 blood spots on the curtains above the window sill indicates the window must have been spattered and cleaned afterwards. I just feel can a child fall that fast, that heavy to the ground from the sofa and blood can fly so high to the window but leaving only spot traces on the floor and not a puddle?? Let's say, in the aftermath of an accident, her medically trained parents could not save her - but placed her in the wardrobe closet instead! Yet no blood trace was left inside?? I'm not buying that. And none of that fits with this event occuring during abduction or burglary either. Unless of course, she was placed in the closet whilst he cleaned up! X

 

[Victoria Chambers]

I'm not sure why, but even if CB did the awful things that investigators in Germany say he did. I am absolutely convinced that a female was involved in some point at the beginning of that fateful night. Convinced of it. X

 

[Victoria Chambers]

The two sisters, Jensen and Wiltshire, both mentioned in original statements given by Balu and Berry.. those women are amongst the people who claim to have seen RM close to 5a at around 10:30pm that night. This was backed up by a British Barrister, who is Balu, owner of Cooper Tuff, an immigration Law firm. Does anybody know why there appears to be no formal statements from these women in the files please. X

 

[Newthoughts]

From the PJfiles: Blood Spatter Images. Samples taken Aug1-Aug4 2007. This just does not work for death in 5a for me. Firstly, blood beneath the window sill where the sofa is usually placed. If the sofa was pulled out further than the wall and death occurred in the space between the 2, there would be more blood on the back of the sofa! The curtains must be open for the wall to have been spattered in that exact place, so the 5 blood spots on the curtains above the window sill indicates the window must have been spattered and cleaned afterwards. I just feel can a child fall that fast, that heavy to the ground from the sofa and blood can fly so high to the window but leaving only spot traces on the floor and not a puddle?? Let's say, in the aftermath of an accident, her medically trained parents could not save her - but placed her in the wardrobe closet instead! Yet no blood trace was left inside?? I'm not buying that. And none of that fits with this event occuring during abduction or burglary either. Unless of course, she was placed in the closet whilst he cleaned up! X

These blood patterns don't appear to have been visible to the naked eye either? Am I correct in my thinking they don't feature in any investigation until after the blood dog sniffs them out then they're picked using luminol? Or were they seen earlier.

Either way their location is bizarre. More like a somebody messing around and falling than a serious crime

 

[axelcruze]

The Mcanns paid the price for their sheer middle class arrogance (interviews/changing story to fit their narrative) and ignorance in leaving 3 yes THREE v young defenceless children in a vulnerable apartment with doors open in a hotel without cameras in a foreign country where they didn't speak the language. Then expect fbi like searches from a small village police force whilst billing the public 12million +. if it is CB then its bad imo. Pretty much everyone here cares not about them but about that poor little girl, we just want to know what happened. People know what happened. Can they not get a deal with police, what turds of existence can live with that. In reality and reviewing the information, I feel the evidence is not compelling or conclusive otherwise I'm sure they'd have had this guy charged long ago.

 

[snowpea666]

Somebody knows, if the origin of the blood splatters on the curtain and around and on the back of the sofa in the living room of 5A has ever been clarified?

Nose and cheek on this pic look more serious than like a typical sunburn to me...

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He looks like he has a scratch mark from his eye to his cheek, then yes seeing nose and cheek redness also.