Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[SuperdadV8]

These pictures are in the English translations, listed as 'Blood spatter'. With, it says, every sample being to a lab in Birmingham UK. The page says the PJ were under instruction of how to retrieve the samples.. taking 2 from each spot, 1 dry swab and 1 wet swab. I'm sure that is in lining with the type of testing in Birmingham as opposed to the PJ not knowing what to do. Also,this was all done 3 months after May3. It's an awful long time imo X

Yes, but 5A was not occupated after MM's disappearance, right?

By looking at the known circumstances, i still think that a death could have taken place in 5A, of course without any participation of the parents. Why?

The case is kept as a murder, not an abduction. You can't "abduct" a body in the way, abduction of a child is meant. But you can "get rid" of evidence, by removing the forensic evidence, as the body is one.

Even if not confirmed as evidence, there are clues of something, that makes GA and others assume a death has happened in 5A.

It could be easier to leave the area with a dead child, maybe in a bag, as if the child is alive.

And all that could be possible, if the tapas timeline doesn't fit at all, although all of them keep their story, maybe because of self protection. That doesn't make them to criminals of the possible murder. But should they say, that at the evening of may the 3rd, the kids had been unattended for about 2 or even 3 hours?

Maybe no burglary gone wrong, or abduction gone wrong, but planned abuse "gone wrong" and the perp had enough time to tidy up the scenery and remove the evidence?

 

[Tekno]

Yes, Peggy has been found by a mushroom picker. But according to the reports here in Sauerkraut-Land, there shouldn't be any link to CB, even if he has relation to the area. There are at last two suspects. One retarded person named Ulvi K. had been sentenced and later aquitted and one, a local undertaker called Manuel S. with (even assumed sexual) connection to Ulvi K., that has now admitted to have disposed the body for the later aquitted K., so there is no chance of a charge anymore, because of the aquittal. The case has been closed by now.

The same double jeopardy thing, HCW is trying to avoid IMO.

Thank you for that, SuperD.

 

[Tekno]

Yes, but 5A was not occupated after MM's disappearance, right?

By looking at the known circumstances, i still think that a death could have taken place in 5A, of course without any participation of the parents. Why?

The case is kept as a murder, not an abduction. You can't "abduct" a body in the way, abduction of a child is meant. But you can "get rid" of evidence, by removing the forensic evidence, as the body is one.

Even if not confirmed as evidence, there are clues of something, that makes GA and others assume a death has happened in 5A.

It could be easier to leave the area with a dead child, maybe in a bag, as if the child is alive.

And all that could be possible, if the tapas timeline doesn't fit at all, although all of them keep their story, maybe because of self protection. That doesn't make them to criminals of the possible murder. But should they say, that at the evening of may the 3rd, the kids had been unattended for about 2 or even 3 hours?

Maybe no burglary gone wrong, or abduction gone wrong, but planned abuse "gone wrong" and the perp had enough time to tidy up the scenery and remove the evidence?

As far as I know, apartment 5A was rented out after Madeleine’s disappearance (?)

 

[Tekno]

As far as I know, apartment 5A was rented out after Madeleine’s disappearance (?)

The then owner was Ruth McCann (no relation to Madeleine’s parents).

 

[Zuleika]

Just spent some time reading some german articles about corpse- and blood sniffer dogs. One thing is interesting to me. To detect every stadium of decay, these dogs must be trained through all of this possible stadiums.

Now i see a difference in the case. As i understand it, Eddie and Keela have been kept in private possession and could be hired for money, right?

In germany these dogs are part of the police force and being trained and kept by the officials. So they have a very sophisticated education and training. They will even be dismissed, if they fail some stages of education.

So are Eddie and Kayla that reliable, as official sniffer dogs maybe are?

All you need to know about these renowned praised dogs

Eddie and Keela *

 

[redplanet]

The suggestion that there was a 'blood spatter' behind the sofa, let alone belonging to MM, was imo a myth.
Here are the results for the curtains, wall and tiles..........

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT

Yes myth.
The title "forensic blood spot traces" is inaccurate, at the otherwise excellent webpage:
P.J. POLICE FILES: FORENSIC BLOOD SPOT TRACES

 

[SuperdadV8]

The then owner was Ruth McCann (no relation to Madeleine’s parents).

The owner, yes!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes myth.
The title "forensic blood spot traces" is inaccurate, at the otherwise excellent webpage:
P.J. POLICE FILES: FORENSIC BLOOD SPOT TRACES

Okay, maybe no blood. But what about saliva, or sweat?

 

[redplanet]

Okay, maybe no blood. But what about saliva, or sweat?

The spots were seen in UV light. Substances detectable in UV include saliva and sweat.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Well this is interesting!! X

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Okay, maybe no blood. But what about saliva, or sweat?

It seems every single sample was either too weak, too complex, mixed samples, with a few being linked to the McCann family as a whole, 3 officers collecting the samples, each matched a sample? A couple of them unidentified. But certainly not from Madeleine, nor blood either. X

 

[SuperdadV8]

Maybe the abuse took place in the sofa area of the living room, not to wake up the twins but keep aware of someone that gets near the patio doors.

To do that, the iron gate had to be opened and maybe that would be recognized in the living room, to have a chance to leave 5A quickly, within seconds, via the front door?

There are reports of someone who may had checked that iron gate. Maybe by someone, that planned his sex-crimes carefully in the past?

 

[Victoria Chambers]

[my bold]

There was a vacant apartment nearby, wasn't there? This could have been used as a 'staging post'. (Do we know when/whether the other apartment was searched/checked for forensics?)

If FF is going to argue that CB only had a very short time window to remove MM from her own apartment, this could perhaps be challenged if she was initially only moved nearby & then carried away from the empty apartment when the coast was clear.

Well 1 lady contacted LE to say she saw a child fitting MM description with 2 or 3 men, the child was in a vehicle or being placed in a vehicle with a blonde man wearing sunglasses behind the wheel.. She said a News reporter was stood very close by at the time. She saw all this beyond a fence as she passed RM residence. She then saw the blonde man on the News - and identified SM as the driver of that car!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Well 1 lady contacted LE to say she saw a child fitting MM description with 2 or 3 men, the child was in a vehicle or being placed in a vehicle with a blonde man wearing sunglasses behind the wheel.. She said a News reporter was stood very close by at the time. She saw all this beyond a fence as she passed RM residence. She then saw the blonde man on the News - and identified SM as the driver of that car!

That SM/RM/horrible job that changes lives - thing still keeps odd to me.

I know, i can't talk for others, but if i had been accused of a horrible crime, had been ruled out officially and maybe got money for a false accusation, i would put a line under it and keep on living my life under the radar.

But others seem to be keen on putting their heads in front of a camera years after, maybe for money?!

Although i do not know RM and SM in person, they still make unpleasent feelings to my stomach. Just call it intuition...

What about an CB/SM look-a-like-speaking english-together selling drugs for sex-theory?

Who could need cheap stolen hardware whilst building up a computer business?

Damn, i need more info from HCW!

 

[SuperdadV8]

All you need to know about these renowned praised dogs

Eddie and Keela *

Thank you very much!!!

Why is that a kind of business linked to some kind of "work for payment". That doesn't make any sense to me. If you know what i mean.

 

[tedtink]

The spots were seen in UV light. Substances detectable in UV include saliva and sweat.

So possibly a sneeze.

 

[C.greek]

That SM/RM/horrible job that changes lives - thing still keeps odd to me.

I know, i can't talk for others, but if i had been accused of a horrible crime, had been ruled out officially and maybe got money for a false accusation, i would put a line under it and keep on living my life under the radar.

But others seem to be keen on putting their heads in front of a camera years after, maybe for money?!

Although i do not know RM and SM in person, they still make unpleasent feelings to my stomach. Just call it intuition...

What about an CB/SM look-a-like-speaking english-together selling drugs for sex-theory?

Who could need cheap stolen hardware whilst building up a computer business?

Damn, i need more info from HCW!

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They do look alike

 

[C.greek]

Well 1 lady contacted LE to say she saw a child fitting MM description with 2 or 3 men, the child was in a vehicle or being placed in a vehicle with a blonde man wearing sunglasses behind the wheel.. She said a News reporter was stood very close by at the time. She saw all this beyond a fence as she passed RM residence. She then saw the blonde man on the News - and identified SM as the driver of that car!

When was that supposed to have happened?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Another thing that could be discussed. Around spring 2019, the Netflix documentary about MM went on air. So date of production should have been around end of 2017/2018. SM and RM were part of the production.

At a time, CB spent in prison. While being released around august 2018, he seemed to have left germany to italy "for vacation", until around september 2018, when he went back to jail for molesting his girlfriends daughter or even raping DM?!

Die kriminelle Laufbahn des Mordverdächtigen im Fall Maddie

Why did he left germany around that time?

In june 2020 he had been made public for a possible link to MM and shortly after it, FF told the world about holy water.

Has he been warned off around fall of 2018, about the MM case by someone, that is part of the Netflix documentary? Who of them has connections to italy?

 

[redplanet]

While the intruder was climbing in bedroom window, what if the child ran and climbed on back of sofa to attract attention of adult outside? It would be possible to fall between sofa back and wall and trap chin in such a way as to produce fatal result? Found a case of that happening (last part only). What would the intruder do then?