Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[JB1510]

One of things I noticed since the HCW statement was the
removal of the Aktenzeichen XY reconstruction aired in
October 2013 around the same time as the UK Crimewatch
edition . Both reconstructions were different with a bit more emphasis on the two German looking poi’s. Nearly all the old A XY shows are online except this one. I remember viewing it just before June now I can’t find it anywhere .

All that I can find is a small clip

 

[Newthoughts]

RSBM

I agree from a comms perspective that what you outline is a valid strategy.

But there also exists the risk in any media strategy that the narrative drifts away from you. My criticism is that HCW is becoming the story via careless framing.

Now of course there may well be translation and cultural issues here, and I also doubt HCW has ever handled international media at this level.

Perhaps also, he is now so confident, none of this will be an issue for him, because he has conviction charges will drop.

He isn't becoming the story tho. Outside of this forum nobody really knows his name because they've not bothered to register it. But they do concentrate on the MM and CB part. Most people just see it as an update

I can't see what the problem is with what he's saying. At worse they won't get enough to charge a vile human being. At best he gets more info.

 

[mrjitty]

These are fair points, but I don't know how much control he has over the final slant. The classic "taken out of context" problem.

I must admit the omission of any renewed appeal for witnesses etc is very odd. But I don't know if BBC or HCW has chosen to overlook that.

It's possible they dropped his other quotes absolutely - although i doubt it in this context

But this is why you also need to be careful in what quotes you give

 

[mrjitty]

If I am being cynical, i also wonder if this might be a glory hunter prosecutor who is claiming the credit and limelight for solving a big case, but who is never going to come through with the charges

 

[Victoria Chambers]

I wonder why the GNR dogs were never taken more seriously with their indications? At seperate times, 1 using MM scent of a swimming towel whilst the other was given MM pinky/orange blanket off the bed. Both dogs did the same thing, in the block, they both showed more interest in the door of apt 5J. But they both then took identical paths across to block 4, down a pathway to a public carpark. With both dogs losing interest at the same lamp post. I personally would of said "lost the scent at the lamp post",. Whoever is responsible for writing up the reports on these findings, to me, seems to be discrediting the dogs a lot. Things like "bear in mind, these dogs are really used to searching countryside and not the streets" and also saying that the 2nd dog was probably just going off on the scent of the 1st dog. I don't believe any of that. They wouldn't be sniffer dogs if that was the case. I think LE missed an opportunity from that 1st night re the route the perpetrator took getting to a vehicle. My opinion only.

 

[Newthoughts]

I wonder why the GNR dogs were never taken more seriously with their indications? At seperate times, 1 using MM scent of a swimming towel whilst the other was given MM pinky/orange blanket off the bed. Both dogs did the same thing, in the block, they both showed more interest in the door of apt 5J. But they both then took identical paths across to block 4, down a pathway to a public carpark. With both dogs losing interest at the same lamp post. I personally would of said "lost the scent at the lamp post",. Whoever is responsible for writing up the reports on these findings, to me, seems to be discrediting the dogs a lot. Things like "bear in mind, these dogs are really used to searching countryside and not the streets" and also saying that the 2nd dog was probably just going off on the scent of the 1st dog. I don't believe any of that. They wouldn't be sniffer dogs if that was the case. I think LE missed an opportunity from that 1st night re the route the perpetrator took getting to a vehicle. My opinion only.

The interest at 5j was put down to a really smelly area that they had to check for any weaker scent but the both stopping at a lamp post was interesting. I wonder if that's where she was put into a vehicle

 

[redplanet]

Have often pondered about the reports of the pockmarked face man seen loitering around 5A prior MM disappearance...believe from TS ( the young girl )and a young mum British tourist ( maybe JW ) .
Described the man as heavily pockmarked / pitted skin face / ugly / disgusting even / large nose ( by one of them..other said normal nose )
Am not wanting to do any favours to CB but when looking at pics of him these are not adjectives that come to mind at all.
Unless he had some ‘ bad skin ‘ days at the time..or witness recollections a bit skewed for some reason..?
Or could have been an accomplice..or just another unrelated dodgy character hanging around.
Curious though...

The greatly pockmarked and very angular pair of id sketch are by female UK tourist JW.
The sunglasses id sketch is by then 12-yr old witness TS and IMO is not a very good sketch because it fails to illustrate the critical features in her description.
Similarly the id sketch by witness CT of gate-closing-man fails to illustrate the noticeable nose she describes.

 

[mrjitty]

He isn't becoming the story tho. Outside of this forum nobody really knows his name because they've not bothered to register it. But they do concentrate on the MM and CB part. Most people just see it as an update

I can't see what the problem is with what he's saying. At worse they won't get enough to charge a vile human being. At best he gets more info.

At worst you become like Amaral - having overplayed your hand and then not delivering charges and then the media turns on you.

That is what I said months ago about all of this. HCW risks becoming the story if he doesn't come through.

My impression of the BBC spin here is they are already skeptical, and that is why he was defensive - then earned himself bad coverage. Not for the first time either - remember he messed up the Sky exclusive with Brunt as well

 

[redplanet]

Just saying, if hypothetically BKA acquired some clothing/apparel/items which they believe their suspect may have worn/handled back in may 2007, what sort of inspection would they have conducted on those items?

 

[Dlk79]

My impression of the BBC spin here is they are already skeptical, and that is why he was defensive - then earned himself bad coverage. Not for the first time either - remember he messed up the Sky exclusive with Brunt as well

I'd suspect the question posed by the BBC reporter was quite critical/accusatory in nature, probably something along the lines of "what do you say to the people who claim you have no real evidence against the suspect?" or "how can you be so sure CB is guilty?". The BBC chose not to show what his comment was in response to, most likely because his statement becomes far less remarkable when given in its proper context.

 

[redplanet]

HCW: "we have some evidence that he killed mm but I am not able to say on which day exactly". @11:43
'Madeleine is Dead' - They've Taken Her - Omny.fm

HCW not knowing which day exactly, would this eliminate all death-in-apartment theories?

 

[Dlk79]

HCW not knowing which day exactly, would this eliminate all death-in-apartment theories?

No, I don't think so. From the context of the question asked (proof of CB being in PDL on the 3rd), I think he's just saying the evidence they have that CB killed MM does not give proof of when it (the death) happened.

So, for example, if the proof was a photo/video of MM's body taken post-mortem, it is not possible to tell what date/time she was actually killed (even if the photo/video itself had a date/time stamp to show when it was actually taken, that would still be the case).

 

[Dlk79]

If I am being cynical, i also wonder if this might be a glory hunter prosecutor who is claiming the credit and limelight for solving a big case, but who is never going to come through with the charges

Yes, that is pretty cynical and I think you are in the minority with that opinion. HCW does not strike me as that kind of person at all.

At worst you become like Amaral - having overplayed your hand and then not delivering charges and then the media turns on you.

And HCW knows that risk and takes it anyway. IMO he must be pretty confident in his facts.

he (HCW) was defensive - then earned himself bad coverage.

Who's saying it earned him bad coverage (apart from you of course)? Again, I think you are in the minority.

Not for the first time either - remember he messed up the Sky exclusive with Brunt as well

Not really. What do you think he messed up on there?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Maybe we should stop pushing the focus from CB to HCW....

FF's lack of media-presence makes me curious. Like from 100 to 0.

The interesting thing in german law is, that the suspect is allowed to lie all the time until he or she has been sentenced, without having to fear any inconveniences or a harder punishment.

The solicitor isn't allowed to do that. Once he has knowledge, he is not allowed to lie about the known truth. So it is better for him, to say nothing at all.

Just a thought.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

One of the GNR officers says he stopped and spoke to 2 English speaking men in a caravan close to the scene on the night. They said they lived in Espiche, which is were the collection men were saying an orphanage was if I remember rightly. I wonder if he got any other details from them?

 

[Dlk79]

FF's lack of media-presence makes me curious. Like from 100 to 0.

The interesting thing in german law is, that the suspect is allowed to lie all the time until he or she has been sentenced, without having to fear any inconveniences or a harder punishment.

The solicitor isn't allowed to do that. Once he has knowledge, he is not allowed to lie about the known truth. So it is better for him, to say nothing at all.

Just a thought.

Yes, I wonder if it's safe to release my grip on this chair now? Been bracing myself for FF's revelation since September!

Interesting point though about the lawyer's knowledge. Does make you wonder what CB has told him by now.

 

[Trivento]

The greatly pockmarked and very angular pair of id sketch are by female UK tourist JW.
The sunglasses id sketch is by then 12-yr old witness TS and IMO is not a very good sketch because it fails to illustrate the critical features in her description.
Similarly the id sketch by witness CT of gate-closing-man fails to illustrate the noticeable nose she describes.

I can’t find in CT statement or reports where she is describing the “gateman’s “ nose. Only from the other witnesses.
Can you advise where you saw that ?
Have seen however fairly recent news reports where CT has said clearly that CB is the man she saw playing around with the gate.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes, I wonder if it's safe to release my grip on this chair now? Been bracing myself for FF's revelation since September!

Interesting point though about the lawyer's knowledge. Does make you wonder what CB has told him by now.

Yes, it makes me wonder if CB could have told him something and after that FF decided to stay strategically calm and wait for concrete accusations, he could react to. As a solicitor usually does.

But just a thought.

 

[Zuleika]

If I am being cynical, i also wonder if this might be a glory hunter prosecutor who is claiming the credit and limelight for solving a big case, but who is never going to come through with the charges

Something that did occur to me too . There’s something about his MO I don’t feel happy with. But then what do I know about how their system is run?

 

[mrjitty]

I'd suspect the question posed by the BBC reporter was quite critical/accusatory in nature, probably something along the lines of "what do you say to the people who claim you have no real evidence against the suspect?" or "how can you be so sure CB is guilty?". The BBC chose not to show what his comment was in response to, most likely because his statement becomes far less remarkable when given in its proper context.

Agreed - in fact i think it is near certain