Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[vermisstekindersuche]

We don't have to agree on $h!t! Stop being so arrogant. You're doing it again, you've made a hypothesis that he lived in the farmhouse at the time, and now that's proved incorrect, you think that must mean he wasn't in PDL that night at all!?

We know next to nothing about CB's whereabouts around this time, we have reports placing him in the algarve area at the time but very little about where he may have actually been living.

This "perfect candidate" rubbish makes you sound like Amaral's mouthpiece. Your theory is based on nothing logical at all.

It's not impossible that it was CB who killed/abducted MM. Also IF it was not him it might have been another pedo with the same method/intention. I don't know. I'm no expert on MM case. I don't know anything about it. I'm not arrogant, I'm not pretending to know, I'm only trying to make logic assumptions from what i did re-read on the last few days. First I was thinking that he was just guilt because his old friends did incriminate him but now i can see that there is a huge possibility that he did the crime because there are some indicators like selling the jaguar and later selling the westfalia and the phones assuming that the number is indeed the one he used- To sum there is also what he did tell to his friends and also more stuff that most likely his friends did told BKA and we don't know.

Now don't expect me to KNOW where he lived or NOT on 2007. I didn't research that much. I've been reading mainly on other cases. I did had to re-fresh my memory over MM case but again I didn't went to the details. I'm not arrogant on that aspect, i honestly don't know.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

The portuguese language video showed a security expert trying to open the 5A (north) door from outside by sliding a plastic credit/debit card between the door and the frame. The attempt appears to fail because a protruding screw obstructed the plastic card. My portuguese language skills are poor but as far as I could understand the expert did not suggest any other method or tool?

Also you could try a jiggler for cross key, like this :

jiggler cross key - Google Search

This would work by pin manipulation but if it's a very used apartment lock pins will have more tolerance as they are old and you might be lucky to open it with the jiggler as if you were using the correct key.

 

[redplanet]

Instead of using a plastic card try to do the same with piece of thin wire or even thin rope. It will "bypass" the "screw". It will lift the latch. It's a very typical attack. Also lockpicking that cross shaped key shouldn't be that hard. But I would bet i could open that door with a shim.

Google for - shimmer lock latch - for example,

IMO you may be misunderstanding the design of the lock perhaps? How would you open it with thin rope exactly?

 

[Dlk79]

Instead of using a plastic card try to do the same with piece of thin wire or even thin rope. It will "bypass" the "screw". It will lift the latch. It's a very typical attack. Also lockpicking that cross shaped key shouldn't be that hard. But I would bet i could open that door with a shim.

Google for - shimmer lock latch - for example,

Do you have lock-picking experience? The cross-shaped key holes are actually very difficult to pick. Won't go into the "why?" but I do have some picking experience, I know how to open a Yale lock and can do it quite easily, but I would have no chance at the 5A cross lock. If the door was unlocked as suggested, and all you have to deal with is the latch, there are easier ways to open the door as you say. Not sure that it matters to this case though, the patio doors were open anyway, so doesn't really matter which way they got in unless we can attribute some sort of theory to one method of entry over the other.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

IMO you may be misunderstanding the design of the lock perhaps? How would you open it with thin rope exactly?

Traveler Hook Attack

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Do you have lock-picking experience? The cross-shaped key holes are actually very difficult to pick. Won't go into the "why?" but I do have some picking experience, I know how to open a Yale lock and can do it quite easily, but I would have no chance at the 5A cross lock. If the door was unlocked as suggested, and all you have to deal with is the latch, there are easier ways to open the door as you say. Not sure that it matters to this case though, the patio doors were open anyway, so doesn't really matter which way they got in unless we can attribute some sort of theory to one method of entry over the other.

Yes, I have. And yes you are correct. But to deal with the latch you just use something that will not hit that nail/screw and you are good to go. Some of those cheap cross locks/keys will not be locked to all pins, meaning even if you have let's say 5 pins on each of the 4 crosses of the key there is the possibility that only some of the pins are locking the cylinder. Not relevant but on the inside those locks are only locked by a single pin for security meaning that if you are inside already typicaly you just have to lift one pin to make the cylinder turn.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Screw/nail is there to prevent from the credit card to enter. You just have to move the latch anyway so use something that will hit the latch and pass by the screw/nail; NOT a credit card or plastic but a wire. Check for example on 3rd video that I did post, there are clear example on office door. First video shows the way to do it but the door on MM apartment would not have the latch exposed as the door is the other way arround, on first video it shows as if you were inside the house but as long as you can stick your tool on the space on the door as you would with the credit card / x-ray foil, whatever this should work.

Goes wihout saying I didn't bother to go to PDL and try this one out... And I'M NOT suggesting for sleuths to go there and try this in hope to see if it does work,

But the guy on the PT video doesn't look like he know a huge amount about doors, it looks more like he is there trying to show us that it would be impossible to "shim" that door open instead of showing that with some "imagination" and without the use of something so big and tick like the credit card it should be 100% possible to overcome that specific lock even more knowing it was just latched and not properly locked (if i remember correcty).

Yes, I did had this exact same conversation 10 years ago with another group of people on another MM forum so I still remember more or less how the lock did look like (from the PJ files).

 

[redplanet]

@vermisstekindersuche

(..3 videos)

Your first video shows a door which opens outward, and which has an absolutely essential part of the hardware completely missing.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

@vermisstekindersuche

Your first video shows a door which opens outward, and which has an absolutely essential part of the hardware completely missing.

Yes, It's to demonstrate the way to do so. Check 3rd video. They open a door like MM apartment door.

Look here :



I don't see any problem in placing the "hook" or the wire on the space from the door wood to the latch, but at any rate it's not relevant...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

But even if the outsider intruder didn't open the door from the outside there is the possibility that MM did open the door and exit the room and then the pedophile would get her on the outside, outcome would still be the same for kidnapp by a stranger but would invalidate the option of someone "visiting" the same room on the day before, unless he did enter using other method.

Outcome would still be the same no matter what method was used to enter and/or to gain access to MM.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

And now I'm getting further away from CB topic. You guys have to figure out how and If CB and/or any other pedo did overcome or not the lock. You guys that are following MM case have to check that out and figure out if it's possible or not to open the door. All that I did stated so far about CB i will maintain.

I still think that BKA will not be able to charge him even if he was the one who did it because there is no absolute evidence that it was him and not other pedo with the same method. So if it was indeed him I think he will get away with it. I do hope NOT, but I don't think either that the BKA will get any new leads or evidences if they didn't get that already back on june/july when they did stated that CB did kill MM.

I will wait for the next year to see if he gets charged or not.

For now I think there is nothing more I can add about the MM case. I will be waiting for further news on the press (in particular about CB) to comment if necessary,

For now I do need to crack another case and wasting more time with CB will not help me at all.

Happy sleuthing.

 

[redplanet]

@vermisstekindersuche

...check third video...

That is a long long long video, about 3049 times longer than the 1 second in which you claim you are capable of opening the 5A door. What time in the video is your 1 sec method please?

 

[redplanet]

(snip) ...outcome would still be the same no matter what method was used to enter and/or to gain access to MM.

IMO the route of entry is of extreme importance because it determines what the possible response of the child may be.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

@vermisstekindersuche

That is a long long long video, about 3049 times longer than the 1 second in which you claim you are capable of opening the 5A door. What time in the video is your 1 sec method please?

You will need to see the entire video ! 12:05 for example but check the entire video. If you can't bypass the door/lock in one way you most likely can in another. Just use the imagination.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Also one thing that I did completly forgotten to post so far. I did post somewhere back a list of cases that CB might have a link with and there was another one that I completly forgot to mention :

Madeleine McCann suspect Brueckner is investigated over rape and murder of 13-year-old German boy | Daily Mail Online

This one at a first glance i would say "possible but not likely" because a CB back in 1998 wouldn't look like a CB of nowadays meaning that the e-fit for Tristan Brubach murderer does look like an "older" CB and not a younger CB as he would be on the time Tristan was killed.

Also this is the kind of killing that I'M AFRAID of. Another reason to prefer another type of killer rather than a "Tristan" type of killer.

Not meaning much in terms of investigation but leaving here anyway for reference.

 

[Lilly b]

Goes without saying that the majority of what I did post on the CB abducted MM theory would also be VALID for any random pedophile/killer/abuser living/staying on PDL as well with some minor exceptions that make "CB" "suspiciose" like selling his jaguar car and returning to PDL way later to sell the westfalia, the fact that he was known to be robbing apartments and aparently his friends that did provide more info on his crimes...

EVEN if CB is cleared another pedo/killer might have done the same.

Yet, because the way BKA is "reacting" my intuition and rationality tells me that they only have verbal statments of CB old friends and "maybe" some other "evidences" obtained from those statements.

Also, I DIDN'T pay too much attention to MM case (it was never a case that did interested me allot) but I did remember something about the CAR that MM father did hire and that later on the dogs did detect smell of dead person if i'm not mistaken.

I do have a MM case DVD with the process files, etc that the police did provide back in 2008 or 2009 (i can't remember now) but I don't have time to re-check that as I'm currently working on other stuff that it's consuming all of my time (and all the rest of my mental sanity for that matter) but can someone please comfirm if there are prior records of people who did hire that same car prior to MM father ?

Something like CB or any other pedo to use the car to carry MM body and by some irony of destiny MM father to hire that same car later ? For example if BKA were to be told by old CB friends that he was driving that car .... you get the idea ...

Of course it might me nonsense if the MM father did already use that car since he was at PDL. I don't know and I don't have time to check. But I will leave it here just in case someone can remember/can check that out. Also this sort of "evidence" might be the "evidence" that BKA have now. Something indirect that links CB to evidences already collected by PJ on the process files.

I think the blood in the car came from meat, they had a family member or friend film them whilst at the villa when they had the hire car

 

[Lilly b]

Ok, that's fine by me as well. I'm not an expert on MM case, I did a quick re-fresh. Don't expect me to remember all details. Reports on media placed CB on PDL on the time MM went missing, also he aparently sold his Jaguar the next day. What I'm saying is what i did recall reading. I'm not trying to crack MM case, just trying to "understand" a little bit more about CB. IF he was on PDL and if he was living somewhere near as media reports so it's as I stated. IF he was not living there anylonger and the phone log does have his phone number ASSUMING THAT the phone number belonged to him (if we trust BKA) then it will even be more problematic to CB because he was activating the cell phone antenas and he was no longer living on PDL so he should have been there for another reason. If the phone doesn't belong to him you have to ask BKA not me. I'm NOT an expert on MM, i told you that...

On the subject of transferring ownership of the car, I have asked this before, you just need to fill out the log book, not sure if you could do it online in 2007, but you don't necessarily have to give the car to someone else there and then if you know what I mean

 

[Ausgrlz]

Also one thing that I did completly forgotten to post so far. I did post somewhere back a list of cases that CB might have a link with and there was another one that I completly forgot to mention :

Madeleine McCann suspect Brueckner is investigated over rape and murder of 13-year-old German boy | Daily Mail Online

Earlier in the threads I posted a linked article from the DM which stated that MM was killed in a similar way to TB and MP. This line was also in another newspaper (possibility the Sun) link, however I believe it was later removed from both (just this line, the remainder of the article stayed the same).

This article uses the terms ‘The sequence of occasions’:
https://www.newslir.com/is-suspect-in-maddie-mccann-disappearance-a-child-serial-killer/%3famp

 

[tedtink]

It's interesting that we are discussing......... 'The Doors' .......all over again.

 

[Lilly b]

It's interesting that we are discussing......... 'The Doors' .......all over again.

Lol, pointless at best, its what happened after that matters