Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Ardoch]

"Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick said the force is working "really, really closely" with the German authorities, but does not expect them to share all of their evidence."

What are the reasons for not sharing in theses circumstances?
There must be some communication between the authorities.

 

[Dlk79]

In a message posted on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign website, Kate and Gerry McCann said their thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has suffered during 2020.

The statement, which also thanks well-wishers, reads: "Goodbye 2020. What a year! One we don't want to remember but will find it hard to forget.


"There's no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation.

"Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to."
Madeleine McCann parents tell of ‘hope and determination’ to find her

Said with all the sincerity of a professional PR speechwriter. Sorry, but I hate these scripted statements.

 

[C.greek]

Fair point, but he doesn't actually say that's what happened to MM. This comment is in reponse to critcism of how he asserted MM to be dead without giving any proof. To be honest, I have no faith that this comment is even truthful. Does anyone really believe HCW is asserting CB's guilt of MM's murder purely because, "that's what normally happens in cases like this"? BS.

But yes, it is an interesting quote, and one which 'might' give a clue, so thanks for highlighting it. It's the only time I've heard him mention that word, so at least we know he does know how to use it. Just baffles me why, in all the interviews and paper quotes, he never outright says MM was abducted by CB.

Because they have no evidence of that? It can be inferred by the evidence they do have but no actual evidence of abduction?

 

[redplanet]

Let's talk about the dogs, it is possible for a dog to pick up on scent after 3 months.
It is important whether the dog has been practiced on freshly deceased persons.
Don't forget that after the Mccanns, the apartment was just let on, and it is possible that someone else applied corpse scent.

Apartment 5A was subsequently occupied:
12 to 19 June,
28 June to 12 July,
12 to 19 July,
19 to 26 July.
P.J. POLICE FILES: DCCB LETTER DIRECT TO G. AMARAL 27 SEP 07

 

[Loobyloo]

It seems odd this apparent key witness would put their evidence in the media

The Daily Mail probably pays well...

Thanks @Sharkbite for posting up the article. That does make the story more consistent, at least, even though its reliability is limited.

 

[Loobyloo]

"Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick said the force is working "really, really closely" with the German authorities, but does not expect them to share all of their evidence."

What are the reasons for not sharing in theses circumstances?
There must be some communication between the authorities.

The consensus last time we discussed this was that German LE probably want to avoid English LE letting the family know what evidence they hold, from where the information would risk finding its way into the public domain...

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Do you have a source link please for what you have just posted?
ETA for example you allege "he could easily place in the bushes for a moment should he feel the need to" please where is your credible source link?

No, I have no credible source link since I am merely doing what everybody else in here is doing. Speculating. People have put forth all sorts of scenarios from burglary gone wrong to sexual abuse resulting in accidental death- All without source links! The idea of the handling of a dead dog belonging to LE is a perfect example of how the cadaver scent may have been transferred into the crime scene and onto evidence collected, since that LE did have access to it all and was attempting to go unnoticed at the actual scene within hours of physical contact with the dog. Which in turn 'rules in' but does not 'rule out' any possible sabotaging of scene/evidence. - These ARE the same officers who were charged with and who covered up their attack of JC mother, who was then convicted of murdering her daughter without a shred of evidence. Her body, also, yet to be found! They 'solved' that case by creating a scene and producing 'planted evidence.
Also, you say that Eddie did not alert to the scent of a 'dead dog!. I know they are trained using pigs but do you mean that they give off different alerts re cadaver species. ie: 1 bark for human, 2 for a pig, 3 if it's a dog? I'm not sure that they do.

 

[mrjitty]

Said with all the sincerity of a professional PR speechwriter. Sorry, but I hate these scripted statements.

Me too

It boggles the mind given the breakthrough developments this year.

Do the McCs not believe in the CB theory?

 

[Scorpiette]

No, I have no credible source link since I am merely doing what everybody else in here is doing. Speculating. People have put forth all sorts of scenarios from burglary gone wrong to sexual abuse resulting in accidental death- All without source links! The idea of the handling of a dead dog belonging to LE is a perfect example of how the cadaver scent may have been transferred into the crime scene and onto evidence collected, since that LE did have access to it all and was attempting to go unnoticed at the actual scene within hours of physical contact with the dog. Which in turn 'rules in' but does not 'rule out' any possible sabotaging of scene/evidence. - These ARE the same officers who were charged with and who covered up their attack of JC mother, who was then convicted of murdering her daughter without a shred of evidence. Her body, also, yet to be found! They 'solved' that case by creating a scene and producing 'planted evidence.
Also, you say that Eddie did not alert to the scent of a 'dead dog!. I know they are trained using pigs but do you mean that they give off different alerts re cadaver species. ie: 1 bark for human, 2 for a pig, 3 if it's a dog? I'm not sure that they do.

Regarding scent of pigs' cadaver...
Wasn't another possible suspect a pig farmer? And didn't CB apparently say in so many words, to get rid of 'evidence/body...feed it to the pigs'?
I'm just musing...

 

[tedtink]

Me too

It boggles the mind given the breakthrough developments this year.

Do the McCs not believe in the CB theory?

"Understandably, the investigation to find Madeleine has been forced to slow down as a result of the pandemic"
Updates: | findmadeleine.com

Not from where I've been sitting it hasn't. Seems like it really gathered pace last year.

The next 3 months will be interesting.
Will CB be questioned or charged?
Will OG receive more funding?
Will OG be shelved even if CB is not charged?
And what we'll make of all that once we have the answers.

 

[Ardoch]

Me too

It boggles the mind given the breakthrough developments this year.

Do the McCs not believe in the CB theory?

Maybe they don't wish to say anything unless they know fully what's involved, same as the MET.

 

[Chiatos]

No, I have no credible source link since I am merely doing what everybody else in here is doing. Speculating. People have put forth all sorts of scenarios from burglary gone wrong to sexual abuse resulting in accidental death- All without source links! The idea of the handling of a dead dog belonging to LE is a perfect example of how the cadaver scent may have been transferred into the crime scene and onto evidence collected, since that LE did have access to it all and was attempting to go unnoticed at the actual scene within hours of physical contact with the dog. Which in turn 'rules in' but does not 'rule out' any possible sabotaging of scene/evidence. - These ARE the same officers who were charged with and who covered up their attack of JC mother, who was then convicted of murdering her daughter without a shred of evidence. Her body, also, yet to be found! They 'solved' that case by creating a scene and producing 'planted evidence.
Also, you say that Eddie did not alert to the scent of a 'dead dog!. I know they are trained using pigs but do you mean that they give off different alerts re cadaver species. ie: 1 bark for human, 2 for a pig, 3 if it's a dog? I'm not sure that they do.

Victoria, you are raising valid questions.
I have always been asking myself for what purpose the English (Irish?) dogs were brought in to sniff around (Eddie e.a.).
For what purpose were they brought in in August? (Or am I mixing up some dates?) Were they brought in to detect 4 minute old cadaverine? Detectable by female blow flies, but how about cadaver dogs? Four minute old cadaverine that would have had to remain intact for months?
After the apartment had been let out to other tenants?
Unless MM's remains would have remained in the apartment for all those months......

If the dog(s) would have given reliable alerts, then the next step would for instance have been to lift up the tiles of the flooring and seek for (human) remains underneath. But that didn't happen, did it? Why not?
(Human beings would have probably smelled the presence of a corpse in all those months...)

 

[Sharkbite]

Regarding scent of pigs' cadaver...
Wasn't another possible suspect a pig farmer? And didn't CB apparently say in so many words, to get rid of 'evidence/body...feed it to the pigs'?
I'm just musing...

Yes, there is a pig farmer JJM from Pedragosa who has been questioned 3 times. The back track from BSJ to PDL coincidentally runs through the Pedragosa area.

This is a quote from Daily Mail

Christian Brueckner shouted 'the child is dead now - and that's a good thing!' when colleagues discussed Madeleine McCann - before screaming 'you can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!'
Christian Brueckner said 'you can make corpse disappear quickly when discussing Madeleine McCann' | Daily Mail Online

 

[tedtink]

Yes, there is a pig farmer JJM from Pedragosa who has been questioned 3 times. The back track from BSJ to PDL coincidentally runs through the Pedragosa area.

This is a quote from Daily Mail

Christian Brueckner shouted 'the child is dead now - and that's a good thing!' when colleagues discussed Madeleine McCann - before screaming 'you can make a corpse disappear quickly! Pigs also eat human flesh!'
Christian Brueckner said 'you can make corpse disappear quickly when discussing Madeleine McCann' | Daily Mail Online

IMO CB was perhaps referring to the case in 2004 of JC who was 'fed to pigs', which I'm sure he'd have been aware of through media coverage at the time.

 

[mrjitty]

Maybe they don't wish to say anything unless they know fully what's involved, same as the MET.

Not to address the elephant in the room is strange from a PR perspective

e.g. wouldn't they want to promote this new suspect to their supporters in the hope of turning up new info?

It's interesting the site references the new Met appeal, but contains only a broken link to the detail and no detail about CB is on site.

Shouldn't they be super focussed on promoting this suspect given their mission?

Instead they refer only to a "new Met appeal" with broken link.

I find it remarkable - and one can only guess at why they would not be pushing it?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Madeleine McCann's parents say Covid-19 has hit search but hope lives on

 

[C.greek]

Not to address the elephant in the room is strange from a PR perspective

e.g. wouldn't they want to promote this new suspect to their supporters in the hope of turning up new info?

It's interesting the site references the new Met appeal, but contains only a broken link to the detail and no detail about CB is on site.

Shouldn't they be super focussed on promoting this suspect given their mission?

Instead they refer only to a "new Met appeal" with broken link.

I find it remarkable - and one can only guess at why they would not be pushing it?

I think they are in denial. They are clutching onto hopes of finding her alive.

 

[redplanet]

No, I have no credible source link since I am merely doing what everybody else in here is doing. Speculating. People have put forth all sorts of scenarios from burglary gone wrong to sexual abuse resulting in accidental death- All without source links! The idea of the handling of a dead dog belonging to LE is a perfect example of how the cadaver scent may have been transferred into the crime scene and onto evidence collected, since that LE did have access to it all and was attempting to go unnoticed at the actual scene within hours of physical contact with the dog. Which in turn 'rules in' but does not 'rule out' any possible sabotaging of scene/evidence. - These ARE the same officers who were charged with and who covered up their attack of JC mother, who was then convicted of murdering her daughter without a shred of evidence. Her body, also, yet to be found! They 'solved' that case by creating a scene and producing 'planted evidence.
Also, you say that Eddie did not alert to the scent of a 'dead dog!. I know they are trained using pigs but do you mean that they give off different alerts re cadaver species. ie: 1 bark for human, 2 for a pig, 3 if it's a dog? I'm not sure that they do.

The later-alerted clothing items were inside the apartment during that evening meal. Therefore it is possible that the later clothing alerts were caused by something the intruder did. Because the intruder and those particular clothing items were simultaneously inside the apartment. However the theory that GA polluted the apartment with deceased shitzu scent on about the 11th offers no corresponding simultaneity, because all the clothes had been removed long before then. All IMO.

 

[tedtink]

I think they are in denial. They are clutching onto hopes of finding her alive.

HCW has said he believes MM is dead and to actively promote this on the website might go against the 'objects' of the MC's company?

• To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

Support: | findmadeleine.com

 

[Trivento]

Maybe they don't wish to say anything unless they know fully what's involved, same as the MET.

Also think so...and don't forget unless THEY are given 100% fullproof evidence that MM is dead (not just HCW saying something...although sounds credible)...they are going to have a shred of hope MM still alive and will cling onto that...so won't say or do anything that will compromise the pursuit of that faint and miraculous hope, which I think is understandable , especially considering all the false accusations/leads from the past.