Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[C.greek]

RSBM

This has been my problem with HCW's approach since day 1. It is extremely strange, unless there is a dynamic we don't know about.

One possible answer is that the parents refuse to engage with the police forces based on sensible legal advice and the history of the case. We can guess for example they still do not speak voluntarily with PJ.

Are they refusing any kind of informal sit down with BKA? Has one been offered? Do they meet informally with the Met?

We don't know the answers to these questions but I suspect they are maybe formally notified of things, but otherwise are kept on a tight leash by their lawyers advice.

The parents indeed seem to refuse to engage with BKA, the reason could well be what you say, lawyers advice. They even denied receiving the letter that BKA sent them. So I don't see why we need to discuss this. Not yet at least.

 

[C.greek]

No problem. I don't have anything more to say regarding this matter anyhow.

If i were to be able to "bet" on this one I would say that BKA will not charge CB (because they lack evidences - if they were to have evidences they would have charged him by now and if they didn't gather enough evidence they will not gather anything new as well now) but BKA will not say that he is "clear" as well because they would loose the "link" that they have to MM case and then they would be unable to "investigate" or be "participating on it" any further (crime in Portugal with English victim. If the suspect is not German and not living in Germany BKA will not be able to do anything on MM case).

So what I think is that things will remain like they are now for a while and BKA will simply state that it's an on-going investigation.

At least for 7 years in the future CB will not go anywhere so BKA have plenty of time to "plan" their next move.

Of course i can be wrong and they can surprize me and charge CB and of course i will have to admit that i was 100% wrong but again time will tell.

I've stated what I think about this matter (CB) and I think it's enough now. I will avoid comment further unless something relevant happen.

At any rate wishing all good luck for BKA so that they can finaly solve this case.

What escapes me at the moment is why you are interested so much in CB. You said so yourself that for Inga, the case that interests you, CB does not appear to be a suspect. So what brings you here ? Why the interest in CB if there does not appear according to your investigations to be any link between Inga and CB?

 

[mrjitty]

CB was questioned(or at least was asked to appear in the police station/BKA) already in 2013 with relation to the MM case. So i don't think he first came into BKA's spotlight only in 2017.

Yet we've been fed two origin stories about how this all came to pass

In one version, it was loose talk in a pub with mates. In another, it is the former crime associate in prison in Greece who shopped him to the Met.

It does makes sense that BKA should take the lead, given the location of the suspect. But it is clear the Met are involved, if we are to believe what we have been told. This is why I find the status of the Met inquiry to be odd - unless the point is they don't want to add a murder to their books. And why should they seeing it took place in another jurisdiction, and the perp is in germany. This was the same as PJ. File it as missing persons, and you have no open murder case.

So again I come back to one question. Why does HCW have appetite to open a cold case murder, that did not even take place in jurisdiction?

 

[mrjitty]

The parents indeed seem to refuse to engage with BKA, the reason could well be what you say, lawyers advice. They even denied receiving the letter that BKA sent them. So I don't see why we need to discuss this. Not yet at least.

Well I guess the reason to discuss it - is they are now trading shots in the Sun

 

[Chiatos]

Just for the record: CB's name was first mentioned to the public by HCW 6 months ago.
Soon after other disappearances were mentioned by media and that CB's possible involvement would be investigated.

For instance that of Jair Soares. Not because CB was a suspect in Jair's disappearance, but to be sure about the course of events and to be able to rule things out. Dutch police requested German police to investigate CB's whereabouts at that time, stressing that there had been no leads pointing towards CB (till June 2020). The outcome: CB was not in the NL at that time and therefore CB can be ruled out.

I do believe however that in the case of Inga, German police are still investigating CB's possible involvement......

 

[C.greek]

Yet we've been fed two origin stories about how this all came to pass

In one version, it was loose talk in a pub with mates. In another, it is the former crime associate in prison in Greece who shopped him to the Met.

It does makes sense that BKA should take the lead, given the location of the suspect. But it is clear the Met are involved, if we are to believe what we have been told. This is why I find the status of the Met inquiry to be odd - unless the point is they don't want to add a murder to their books. And why should they seeing it took place in another jurisdiction, and the perp is in germany. This was the same as PJ. File it as missing persons, and you have no open murder case.

So again I come back to one question. Why does HCW have appetite to open a cold case murder, that did not even take place in jurisdiction?

Because they have strong evidence they found the perp and it is a German citizen who is already accused of other crimes/ has been trialled for other crimes and is in jail in Germany? Isn't this enough?

About the two stories: BKA already had CB under their radar in 2013. Nothing really happened after that request to question him. In 2017 HB told explicitly OG about CB's involvement which was possibly shared with BKA because of the nationality of the suspect. It is also possible that BKA had already some other evidence after raiding the box factory. There is no mystery IMO nor any hidden motive why BKA is investigating him.

 

[mrjitty]

Because they have strong evidence they found the perp and it is a German citizen who is already accused of other crimes/ has been trialled for other crimes and is in jail in Germany? Isn't this enough?

Possibly.

But I have always found it odd to unleash the media firestorm by claiming you have solved one of the greatest crime stories ever - but then also lack the evidence to charge. The chances of it coming back to bite you on the arse are high.

 

[Dlk79]

Funny how people are questioning the reason for BKA investigating CB over MM. Isn't that their duty once someone passes them the evidence?

SY attained the HB confession in 2017, but despite MM being British, they have zero jurisdiction in this case. The crime took place in Portugal and the suspect is German. The evidence HB gave them, while being compelling, is clearly not enough to raise a charge on and therefore clearly not enough to extradite him to the UK to be questioned or charged. So it makes perfect sense they appeal to their German counterparts to see what they know (and can do). And to be clear, we don't actually know what conversations have taken place between the various agencies but I suspect those conversations are what led to BKA taking the lead here.

When this information was given to SY in 2017, CB was himself the subject of an European Arrest Warrant to be extradited back to Germany to face charges of sexually abusing his former partner's little daughter. He was finally detained following the playground incident (another paedophile act) in Portugal in 2017 and jailed for 15 months. So when this all kicked off, CB was being dealt with by the German authorities. They had him in jail for the abuse, and were in the process of building the drug case against him for the Sylt shenanigans before he did a flit in 2018 and got extradited again from Milan to face the charges in Germany.

As for why PJ have not just been passed this information, given the crime took place in Portugal, so that they can investigate themselves...? I think that's pretty obvious. They have absolutely no incentive to prove CB is guilty of anything. This case has caused immeasurable damage to their image and their tourism industry, they simply want it to be forgotten about. The same question could also be asked about the DM rape case. It happened in Portugal and the Portuguese were the ones who had the hair that convicted him, by the same token, BKA could have just passed on the HB and MS accounts about the rape videos and left them deal with it. They didn't. They applied for a EAW and charged him in Germany to be tried in court. IMO, the main reason is that neither BKA or SY have much faith in PJ, I don't want to come across as xenophobic but I just don't think their attitude to police work is on the same level as the British or the Germans. Nor is their motivation when it comes to the MM case. It's made especially worse due to HB's claim that he actually told the Portuguese authorities about the CB confession (which is what kickstarted this whole investigation) back in 2008, and they did absolutely nothing about it.

Amaral spoke about CB (although not mentioned by name, it was clear he knew who he was) well before this case became public knowledge. How does a retired and disgraced Investigator attain this knowledge? IMO, it's because the PJ is like an old boy's club and quite frankly, leakier than the sources close to the "McCann's". They simply can't be trusted to investigate this case impartially or fairly. And, that's probably one of the biggest contention points in this case and why there is such bad blood between the different agencies.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)It makes some sense to me that he wanted to use the notoriety of MM to clear some german cold cases.

And then the question would be ... what German cold cases precisely ? Also if so why aren't the BKA asking for information about CB on the time of those cases, like for example why whouldn't BKA post a request for public information like they have done on MM case and use the same request to add something like "oh, by the way, if someone have info on the car/caravan used by CB or telephones used by CB when this person or that person when missing or if someone saw CB near this place from where someone went missing or was killed please contact us as well" but BKA is not doing that so it look like they are targeting CB for MM case "only" (plus the rape cases in Algarve-Portugal"...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

What escapes me at the moment is why you are interested so much in CB. You said so yourself that for Inga, the case that interests you, CB does not appear to be a suspect. So what brings you here ? Why the interest in CB if there does not appear according to your investigations to be any link between Inga and CB?

Because I would want to be 100% sure he is not a child killer/kidnapper even if HE IS a child abuser. I do hope that he do rot in jail for his crimes but i do wish that he didn't kill any child on the same time.

Just because I think that he IS NOT linked to other cases (including Inga) that doesn't mean that I'm 100% correct either.

The more cases CB is cleared from the more chances are that he is just a DUMB pedo that exposed himself and masturbated himself in front of his victims but didn't plan on kidnapping/murder.

If he did a MM kidnapping / planed and then killed or or sold her to someone else chances are that he could have done the same to other children as the level of danger that he poses is way higher.

I can be "more relaxed" about him if he does present only a lower level of danger.

Also I can be totaly wrong with my research even if I think that one thing is 100% certain I might get a "bad surprize at the end"; then again, i shouldn't be wasting time here at this thread any longer, as you stated.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)
I do believe however that in the case of Inga, German police are still investigating CB's possible involvement......

CB is NOT a POI in Inga case and he was investigated when she went missing but yes, the case was re-opened now so the police would investigate if there is any possibility for CB to be linked/involved.

I do think that he is not and I do pray/wish that he is not. If police can rule him out for sure the better but by now if there were any "suspicion" police would be requesting on the media for people assistence and would be asking for citizens who have seen his car or who have seen him on 02/05/2015 to come forward. It would "strongen" their case against CB even in relation to MM case if they could liknk CB to other missing children cases as he would be more like of a "monster" than he is (hopefully), so i'm working the other way arround, the LESS crimes are CB accused of, the less the chances are for him to be involved on Inga as well (even if i'm positive that he is cleared on this particular one i might be wrong and I don't want to be wrong).

 

[Dlk79]

Because I would want to be 100% sure he is not a child killer/kidnapper even if HE IS a child abuser. I do hope that he do rot in jail for his crimes but i do wish that he didn't kill any child on the same time.

Just because I think that he IS NOT linked to other cases (including Inga) that doesn't mean that I'm 100% correct either.

The more cases CB is cleared from the more chances are that he is just a DUMB pedo that exposed himself and masturbated himself in front of his victims but didn't plan on kidnapping/murder.

If he did a MM kidnapping / planed and then killed or or sold her to someone else chances are that he could have done the same to other children as the level of danger that he poses is way higher.

I can be "more relaxed" about him if he does present only a lower level of danger.

Also I can be totaly wrong with my research even if I think that one thing is 100% certain I might get a "bad surprize at the end"; then again, i shouldn't be wasting time here at this thread any longer, as you stated.

The facts are the facts. Whatever happened to MM, it isn't likley to be pleasant unfortunately. Wishing that CB isn't the perpetrator seems pointless IMO. Regardless of the evidence, the chances that MM is still alive are minimal, we have to face the facts and accept that this is the biggest ever lead in this case. Personally I hope CB is tried and convicted for this crime, and other crimes. I'm still struggling to understand your argument, it all comes across as wishful thinking rather than anything logical.

 

[snowpea666]

CB is NOT a POI in Inga case and he was investigated when she went missing but yes, the case was re-opened now so the police would investigate if there is any possibility for CB to be linked/involved.

I do think that he is not and I do pray/wish that he is not. If police can rule him out for sure the better but by now if there were any "suspicion" police would be requesting on the media for people assistence and would be asking for citizens who have seen his car or who have seen him on 02/05/2015 to come forward. It would "strongen" their case against CB even in relation to MM case if they could liknk CB to other missing children cases as he would be more like of a "monster" than he is (hopefully), so i'm working the other way arround, the LESS crimes are CB accused of, the less the chances are for him to be involved on Inga as well (even if i'm positive that he is cleared on this particular one i might be wrong and I don't want to be wrong).

I think the chances of MM still being with us is almost 0% at this stage, and if as you say you follow child crimes then I'm sure you are aware that when a child is taken then murdered the perp didnt take her just to buy ice cream only? I really hope CB is the perp and he gets charged with her demise, it will at long last give justice to MM and some closure to her family, I think to hope and pray for him to be innocent of this crime is to hope someone else did the deed!! because someone did and with the same sad outcome or worse, she may have been trafficked and kept alive for years being used by 100s of perps!! why hope it was not this particular monster over another vile monster ? Unless you have special feelings for CB!! I pray he is indeed the Perp in MM case and Inga case and others, so once and for all these children can finally be at peace, and how good would it be to put a person like him behind bars for a very long time. This is by far the best and strongest link ever so I hope positive result.

 

[Chiatos]

CB is NOT a POI in Inga case and he was investigated when she went missing but yes, the case was re-opened now so the police would investigate if there is any possibility for CB to be linked/involved.

I do think that he is not and I do pray/wish that he is not. If police can rule him out for sure the better but by now if there were any "suspicion" police would be requesting on the media for people assistence and would be asking for citizens who have seen his car or who have seen him on 02/05/2015 to come forward. It would "strongen" their case against CB even in relation to MM case if they could liknk CB to other missing children cases as he would be more like of a "monster" than he is (hopefully), so i'm working the other way arround, the LESS crimes are CB accused of, the less the chances are for him to be involved on Inga as well (even if i'm positive that he is cleared on this particular one i might be wrong and I don't want to be wrong).

1. CB is NOT a POI in Inga case and 2. he was investigated when she went missing - not officially, that we know of.

1. According to media there is tangible proof that CB was in the surroundings the day before Inga disappeared and CB has not provided an alibi for the next day, the day she disappeared. He cannot be excluded the way he has been for the case of Jair.
2. Was he investigated when she disappeared? Was he investigated in May 2015 for Inga's disappearance?

 

[Heimdal]

CB is NOT a POI in Inga case and he was investigated when she went missing but yes, the case was re-opened now so the police would investigate if there is any possibility for CB to be linked/involved.

I do think that he is not and I do pray/wish that he is not. If police can rule him out for sure the better but by now if there were any "suspicion" police would be requesting on the media for people assistence and would be asking for citizens who have seen his car or who have seen him on 02/05/2015 to come forward. It would "strongen" their case against CB even in relation to MM case if they could liknk CB to other missing children cases as he would be more like of a "monster" than he is (hopefully), so i'm working the other way arround, the LESS crimes are CB accused of, the less the chances are for him to be involved on Inga as well (even if i'm positive that he is cleared on this particular one i might be wrong and I don't want to be wrong).

What is your relation to CB? You seem to be driven by feelings not facts. And some of your statements are quite unsettling tbh.

 

[tedtink]

CB is NOT a POI in Inga case and he was investigated when she went missing but yes, the case was re-opened now so the police would investigate if there is any possibility for CB to be linked/involved.

I do think that he is not and I do pray/wish that he is not. If police can rule him out for sure the better but by now if there were any "suspicion" police would be requesting on the media for people assistence and would be asking for citizens who have seen his car or who have seen him on 02/05/2015 to come forward. It would "strongen" their case against CB even in relation to MM case if they could liknk CB to other missing children cases as he would be more like of a "monster" than he is (hopefully), so i'm working the other way arround, the LESS crimes are CB accused of, the less the chances are for him to be involved on Inga as well (even if i'm positive that he is cleared on this particular one i might be wrong and I don't want to be wrong).

More or less of a monster?
Why do you feel the need to 'grade' him on his disgusting crimes against children?
Is reportedly masturbating in front of children 1/4 monster?
Is raping, beating and torturing a lady not quite monstrous enough?
Is reportedly taking photo's of a little girls genitals or watching a little girl climb a tree,whilst holding his erect penis 3/4 monster?
Is possessing 8000 pics of child abuse 1/2 monster?
Is having pics of bestiality just being a dog 'lover'?

Isn't it MONSTROUS enough for ALL those children who have been affected already? Seeing or experiencing something that will effect them for the rest of their lives?

If CB doesn't get charged for MM then so be it, but IMO he has already left a trail of devastation behind him.

 

[Ozoner]

Because I would want to be 100% sure he is not a child killer/kidnapper even if HE IS a child abuser. I do hope that he do rot in jail for his crimes but i do wish that he didn't kill any child on the same time.

Just because I think that he IS NOT linked to other cases (including Inga) that doesn't mean that I'm 100% correct either.

The more cases CB is cleared from the more chances are that he is just a DUMB pedo that exposed himself and masturbated himself in front of his victims but didn't plan on kidnapping/murder.

If he did a MM kidnapping / planed and then killed or or sold her to someone else chances are that he could have done the same to other children as the level of danger that he poses is way higher.

I can be "more relaxed" about him if he does present only a lower level of danger.

Also I can be totaly wrong with my research even if I think that one thing is 100% certain I might get a "bad surprize at the end"; then again, i shouldn't be wasting time here at this thread any longer, as you stated.

The police know that CB killed Madeleine McCann; the only thing they don't know is what he did with her body. I don't have an opinion on whether he is tied to any other abductions.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I couldn't care less about CB and hope he does rot in jail forever.
Yes, I'm driven mostly by feelings and wishful thinking (NOT for the suspects), you are 100% correct. I shouldn't be posting at this thread anyway so I'm very sorry if I did disturb you guys with my statments.

 

[Heimdal]

I couldn't care less about CB and hope he does rot in jail forever.
Yes, I'm driven mostly by feelings and wishful thinking (NOT for the suspects), you are 100% correct. I shouldn't be posting at this thread anyway so I'm very sorry if I did disturb you guys with my statments.

You said many times that CB is your ONLY interrest, and now you don't care about him? You keep saying you shouldn't post in this thread, yet you post walls of text over and over. Seems like you can't help it. You never answered what is your relation to CB?

 

[Anxala]

Just been reading back over the last couple of pages and the issues raised. My thoughts (and we know what they're worth ) are as follows:

1. I agree with the concerns raised over the nature of the BKA's investigation and, in particular, as its primary mouthpiece, HCW. This mix of restrained 'We know this for sure but we can't say anything more at this point' evasiveness on his part is very at odds with his readiness to chat so regularly with the absolute lowest dregs of the most unrestrained UK tabloids.

2. I believe that HCW absolutely believes, based on something he's privvy to, that CB is responsible for 'something' to do with MM. But that's it. 'Something'.

3. I do, nevertheless, hope that HCW gets all his ducks in a row and gets to actually question CB, just so we might finally get to know what he apparently knows.

4. That CB might turn out not to be responsible for anything MM-related does not mean, necessarily, that there's another unknown, evading-capture, evil fiend still out there. There are other possible, objective alternatives that don't involve mystery evil fiends.