Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Denis R Tandib]

Abduction by someone else for unknown reasons? e.g a crazy person rather than a predator?

Something like this happened in the states recently IIRC

Three seperate investigations have taken place. From what I’ve read, PJ thought the parents were responsible, SY suspect a burglary gone wrong and HCW has stated that he knows CB killed MM and how he killed her.

Why would we think some random lunatic did it?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Thanks for posting it - I found it interesting back at the time, in terms of an overall kind of confirmation as to how things worked that week for "the Drs". But it's interesting how little detail there is about the arrangements. It's also disappointing in it's general tone of "why weren't things done how I would have expected"

Starting with the last point first



This is really the key detail. Jes didn't see anything to do with the abduction and doesn't know anything useful. That is why he was canvassed by police on day 1, but not made a priority for an interview. His importance only became apparent later - but that wouldn't have been obvious in the first hours and days when the priority is to find a live girl.



This is typical of the snide UK coverage which doesn't hold up to a moment's analysis. OC worked on holiday weeks. So Jes left on Saturday like many other guests. That means he could have been interviewed on Friday but why would PJ prioritise that when he already said he wasn't a key witness? Instead he was picked up as the investigation broadened out - and of course was interviewed by the UK police, likely at request of PJ, because PJ are not allowed to question witnesses in the UK - that interview took place on 7 May.

There is nothing untoward here, as the main point of talking to Jez is to begin work on firming up the timeline, which of course PJ only had in detail by the 4th or 5th anyway, once they had interviewed all the key witnesses.



Again this is focussed on as some kind of proof of incompetence but the policeman is not there to "search for MM" - he is there on a basic canvassing

I've been canvassed by Hamburg murder police before. We live in innercity high density housing. They rang my door, had a flyer about someone who got stabbed locally some weeks before. I said I knew nothing about it. They left and took no notes whatsoever!



Why would you see any police? Shall they search the village streets where there are lots of people "sitting around" and where MM clearly isn't?

In the end, JW's main significance is as GM's alibi. Otherwise he doesn't know anything. I just don't get quite what people expect.

DBM

 

[enjy15]

HCW reportedly said this:
"It is possible that our suspect filmed something in connection with Madeleine but we haven’t got direct evidence that he did."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11832635/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-sun-suspect-christian-b/

He said that in the podcast. I’m not sure what the evidence they have could be if videos or images are ruled out?

 

[C.greek]

He said that in the podcast. I’m not sure what the evidence they have could be if videos or images are ruled out?

I find it interesting that he used the verb film. Perhaps they do have static photos, but no videos whereas CB is known to have filmed his abhorrent crimes.

 

[enjy15]

I find it interesting that he used the verb film. Perhaps they do have static photos, but no videos whereas CB is known to have filmed his abhorrent crimes.

That’s true! I also think they know about an image or video but have not located it perhaps?

 

[SuperdadV8]

I've read in a german article today, that in the Münster-child abuse - complex that has been made public by the middle of that year, just 1/3 of the confiscated 1200 TB on child had been investigated.

The centre of the investigion resembles a group of about 20 or more suspects, that abused two or three boys over years and produced footage of it for the dark web. Same in Bergisch Gladbach and Lügde. Maybe the three cases are linked in some way.

I would assume, that huge amount of data shouldn't just contain footage of the three boys. I think it will contain lots of childporn in general, for sharing or selling over the web in the last years, if not decades.

Maybe that could be ONE key to HCW's behavior. It just takes it's time, to go through all that crap because every pic or video resembles a crime and shows a victim, maybe a possible MM...

 

[peanutJelly]

It's common knowledge that these places tend to work on holiday weeks. e.g. arrive on Saturday afternoon/leave on Saturday morning = 7 nights

You don't need to have the place under observation to know that

Many people go Friday to Friday? How would you know what a week for them was without watching and listening to know whether they were staying for 7, 10 or 14 nights?

 

[Anxala]

I simply think that GA’s alternative, as discussed in the Netflix documentary, that the whole Tapas group is involved is, IMO, complete nonsense. Keeping all nine people quiet, the logistics of secretly disposing of the body and the mental strength required to maintain the pretence under such close scrutiny make this theory seem completely implausible IMO.

Couldn't agree more, and always have done. That all 9 were somehow involved or roped into a cover-up is nonsensical.

I’m taking HCW’s word that he has strong evidence on CB and irrespective of how awful MM’s plight, I think that the truth and properly putting the story of the poor little girl to rest is the most important thing.

Again, I agree. I 100% believe HCW believes that what he has/knows of CB is conclusive.

 

[Anxala]

Could you be a bit clearer? We're sleuthers - we need something to work on

Thread remit considerations, all I can really say is that not knowing what HCW knows or how exactly CB fits into things, I'm remaining open to other possible alternatives as far as MM is concerned.

Until and if HCW allows us in and hopefully throws light and sense on the bits of the past that remain 'ambiguous', that will remain my, I think, reasonable position.

PS. I am sorry for lack of sleuthing material though!

 

[Ardoch]

Thread remit considerations, all I can really say is that not knowing what HCW knows or how exactly CB fits into things, I'm remaining open to other possible alternatives as far as MM is concerned.

Until and if HCW allows us in and hopefully throws light and sense on the bits of the past that remain 'ambiguous', that will remain my, I think, reasonable position.

PS. I am sorry for lack of sleuthing material though!

No need to apologise Anxala, it was a bit tongue in cheek!.....sorry

I think we'll still be sleuthing this for a long time to come.

 

[Anxala]

No need to apologise Anxala, it was a bit tongue in cheek!.....sorry

I think we'll still be sleuthing this for a long time to come.

^ Oh I knew that.

I think HCW owes us an early Christmas present. Big time!

 

[mrjitty]

Many people go Friday to Friday? How would you know what a week for them was without watching and listening to know whether they were staying for 7, 10 or 14 nights?

Because if CB was in cahoots with a worker at OC - he would know that?

Or just check with OC itself about how bookings work?

These things are fairly standard. In germany, spain etc for FEVO, these timelines are common, and advertised on the website.

You can't decide to run your week on a different timing - unless they are very short of customers

 

[mrjitty]

HCW reportedly said this:
"It is possible that our suspect filmed something in connection with Madeleine but we haven’t got direct evidence that he did."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11832635/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-sun-suspect-christian-b/

Nevertheless, Occam's Razor doesn't work that way.

We don't have competing theories at the moment. We need to know what evidence HCW has, before we can begin to apply it.

 

[SuperdadV8]

No need to make that evidence public. Obviously the strategy is to strike the suspect with everything that has been investigated, collected and checked over the years, to "crack" him.


IMO there is a very dark(er) chapter in CB's life, according to drug abuse maybe correlating with alcohol. Maybe abuse in the past. In orphanages, foster families or prisons.

Maybe a situation when things happen, maybe even "accidental", that wouldn't happen anymore by now. But under pressure, anyway what it's caused by, it leads to escalating situations. We've read about it and "yoghurtgate" will be the most comfortable thing of all, that is likely to happen.

But it could be something, that even a person with a problematic childhood may regret at last. But the past catches up with you, sooner or later....

 

[C.greek]

No need to make that evidence public. Obviously the strategy is to strike the suspect with everything that has been investigated, collected and checked over the years, to "crack" him.


IMO there is a very dark(er) chapter in CB's life, according to drug abuse maybe correlating with alcohol. Maybe abuse in the past. In orphanages, foster families or prisons.

Maybe a situation when things happen, maybe even "accidental", that wouldn't happen anymore by now. But under pressure, anyway what it's caused by, it leads to escalating situations. We've read about it and "yoghurtgate" will be the most comfortable thing of all, that is likely to happen.

But it could be something, that even a person with a problematic childhood may regret at last. But the past catches up with you, sooner or later....

I agree, we will not be presented with the evidence. The strategy seems indeed to be to crack him. And this is where FF's silence could come in. Has CB cracked and told FF something, hence the silence?

 

[redplanet]

I find it interesting that he used the verb film. Perhaps they do have static photos, but no videos whereas CB is known to have filmed his abhorrent crimes.

If BKA have photo or video, anything in the background, such as structures, objects, buildings, furniture, landscape, would be intensely studied. Here are details of how in some cases identification of background features is achieved via Interpol and crowdsourcing
Creating Impact: A Year On Stop Child Abuse —Trace An Object - bellingcat

 

[peanutJelly]

Because if CB was in cahoots with a worker at OC - he would know that?

Or just check with OC itself about how bookings work?

These things are fairly standard. In germany, spain etc for FEVO, these timelines are common, and advertised on the website.

You can't decide to run your week on a different timing - unless they are very short of customers

Must be my good fortune then. Been abroad numerous times and have always been able to choice the best duration to suit my circumstance, without having to stay in dire accommodation

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Must be my good fortune then. Been abroad numerous times and have always been able to choice the best duration to suit my circumstance, without having to stay in dire accommodation

I agree. To suggest that hotels and resorts dictate when guests arrive and leave is rubbish - although my experience in NZ is limited, perhaps it’s the norm in that particular antipodean country.

 

[redplanet]

I find it interesting that he used the verb film. Perhaps they do have static photos, but no videos whereas CB is known to have filmed his abhorrent crimes.

In UK the verb "to film" usually means to make moving pictures. But when HCW uses the english verb "to film" I think he naturally assumes it has the same meaning as the german verb "filmen". Therefore I ask: in Germany does the verb "filmen" mean to make moving pictures, or to make a static picture?

 

[redplanet]

I find it interesting that he used the verb film. Perhaps they do have static photos, but no videos whereas CB is known to have filmed his abhorrent crimes.

CB reportedly made static photos during an assault in a Braunschweig park in 2013.