Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Sharkbite]

Right! After his conviction for the diesel theft (november/december 2006?) for a few weeks to a "girlfriend" in Dresden, then to Augsburg (AB?) and then back to Portugal.

So a possible Dresden connection could have been established shortly before MM's disappearance...

"During that period, Christian B. was commuting back and forth between Germany and Portugal. He alternated between living with his former girlfriend in Dresden, Germany, with an acquaintance in Augsburg, in his home in Praia da Luz and then again in a trailer in Hannover and in an allotment garden in Braunschweig. He worked at a car repair shop in Hannover, at a corner store in Braunschweig and lived off of welfare in the times in-between."
German Police Identify a Suspect in the Maddie Case - DER SPIEGEL - International

I understood this runaround to be after May 2007?

Interesting whether this former girlfriend is named 'B', or maybe it's the girl he first went to Portugal with, this could be one and the same person of course. Or it might be someone entirely different.

 

[Sharkbite]

Right! After his conviction for the diesel theft (november/december 2006?) for a few weeks to a "girlfriend" in Dresden, then to Augsburg (AB?) and then back to Portugal.

So a possible Dresden connection could have been established shortly before MM's disappearance...

"During that period, Christian B. was commuting back and forth between Germany and Portugal. He alternated between living with his former girlfriend in Dresden, Germany, with an acquaintance in Augsburg, in his home in Praia da Luz and then again in a trailer in Hannover and in an allotment garden in Braunschweig. He worked at a car repair shop in Hannover, at a corner store in Braunschweig and lived off of welfare in the times in-between."
German Police Identify a Suspect in the Maddie Case - DER SPIEGEL - International

I understood this runaround to be after May 2007?

Interesting whether this former girlfriend is named 'B', or maybe it's the girl he first went to Portugal with, this could be one and the same person of course. Or it might be someone entirely different.

 

[SuperdadV8]

"During that period, Christian B. was commuting back and forth between Germany and Portugal. He alternated between living with his former girlfriend in Dresden, Germany, with an acquaintance in Augsburg, in his home in Praia da Luz and then again in a trailer in Hannover and in an allotment garden in Braunschweig. He worked at a car repair shop in Hannover, at a corner store in Braunschweig and lived off of welfare in the times in-between."
German Police Identify a Suspect in the Maddie Case - DER SPIEGEL - International

I understood this runaround to be after May 2007?

Interesting whether this former girlfriend is named 'B', or maybe it's the girl he first went to Portugal with, this could be one and the same person of course. Or it might be someone entirely different.

Sadistischer Berufskrimineller: Akten zeigen die üble Vergangenheit von Christian B.

"Fortan beginnt der Deutsche, mit Komplizen im Yachthafen Diesel zu stehlen. Im April 2006 wird er geschnappt. Ende Dezember verurteilt ihn ein Gericht zu einer weiteren Geldstrafe von 2060 Euro oder zu einer Ersatzfreiheitsstrafe von 258 Tagen.

Nach der Haft zieht B. nach Dresden, dann nach Augsburg
Nach seiner Haftentlassung zieht B. wieder nach Deutschland. Erst zu einer Freundin nach Dresden, dann zu einem Bekannten nach Augsburg. Erneut beginnt er zu pendeln, wechselt stetig zwischen seiner Finca in Praia da Luz und Deutschland. In Portugal kommt er aber nicht mehr zurecht."

"From then on, the German begins to steal diesel with accomplices in the marina. He was caught in April 2006. At the end of December, a court sentenced him to another fine of 2060 euros or to a substitute prison sentence of 258 days.

After his imprisonment, B. moves to Dresden, then to Augsburg

After his release from prison, B. moves back to Germany. First to a friend in Dresden, then to an acquaintance in Augsburg. He begins to commute again, constantly switching between his finca in Praia da Luz and Germany. But he can no longer get by in Portugal."

 

[SuperdadV8]

I summarize:

It is known, that C.B. has been dilligent in recording sex-crimes from the early or mid-2000's and collecting and producing from about 2015 or earlier (Neuwegersleben) "special" sexual content. IMO at least about 2017 or earlier (Braunschweig) he is proven to produce child himself.

In March 2018, a professional worldwide darkweb childporn-community site has been seized under collaboration of the german BKA and a investigation started, that seems to have led to some arrestments in germany either, maybe the one in Dresden. Maybe also in three other cities in germany, Lügde, Münster, Bergisch-Gladbach.

In june 2020 C.B. has been made public in relation to the murder (!) of MM, about two weeks after the Dresden arrestment.

Also in 2020 HCW answered the question, at what time he reached the certainty of MM's death, by saying that it has been at a time in the last two years. This togehter with the quote that he assumes that all evidence PJ and OG may have collected, should be known and he doesn't know, how far the mobile mast range could be in PDL. He refused to answer about any evidence that puts CB in 5A, because it would raise a thousand questions. And he "assumes" that the murder has followed soon after her disappearance.

So if the big anti-childporn operation lead the BKA to investigate C.B. over MM's death, it should be very clear what evidence they have and why they want to move to portugal again after the public inquiry, that focuses C.B.'s wherabouts.

JMO

 

[Sharkbite]

Sadistischer Berufskrimineller: Akten zeigen die üble Vergangenheit von Christian B.

"Fortan beginnt der Deutsche, mit Komplizen im Yachthafen Diesel zu stehlen. Im April 2006 wird er geschnappt. Ende Dezember verurteilt ihn ein Gericht zu einer weiteren Geldstrafe von 2060 Euro oder zu einer Ersatzfreiheitsstrafe von 258 Tagen.

Nach der Haft zieht B. nach Dresden, dann nach Augsburg
Nach seiner Haftentlassung zieht B. wieder nach Deutschland. Erst zu einer Freundin nach Dresden, dann zu einem Bekannten nach Augsburg. Erneut beginnt er zu pendeln, wechselt stetig zwischen seiner Finca in Praia da Luz und Deutschland. In Portugal kommt er aber nicht mehr zurecht."

"From then on, the German begins to steal diesel with accomplices in the marina. He was caught in April 2006. At the end of December, a court sentenced him to another fine of 2060 euros or to a substitute prison sentence of 258 days.

After his imprisonment, B. moves to Dresden, then to Augsburg

After his release from prison, B. moves back to Germany. First to a friend in Dresden, then to an acquaintance in Augsburg. He begins to commute again, constantly switching between his finca in Praia da Luz and Germany. But he can no longer get by in Portugal."

Yes, confusing. MT and the unknown witness put him in BSJ early 2007 in his VW. He could have been in Dresden/Augsburg for a couple of weeks prior to that of course. MT/CB may have even headed north together, but from what I understand, MT went to Austria for Xmas and NY after being released and then went back to the Algarve and hooked up with CB.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes, confusing. MT and the unknown witness put him in BSJ early 2007 in his VW. He could have been in Dresden/Augsburg for a couple of weeks prior to that of course. MT/CB may have even headed north together, but from what I understand, MT went to Austria for Xmas and NY after being released and then went back to the Algarve and hooked up with CB.

As i understood the reportings, MT moved to spain soon after his imprisonment and release, because he didn't want to pay the additional fine....

EXCLUSIVE: Former friend of Maddie suspect Christian B spent months with him in Spain's Andalucia and believes he's guilty - Olive Press News Spain

 

[Sharkbite]

As i understood the reportings, MT moved to spain soon after his imprisonment and release, because he didn't want to pay the additional fine....

Yes, after meeting up with CB in Portugal, MT went to Orgiva in time for the Dragon Fest in March and to resettle there, CB turned up in May. CB told MT that he was heading to Germany after that. True or not? We only have MT's word for that.

 

[Scorpiette]

No - and as I mentioned, we don't know what systems OC used. But if CB was routinely doing burglaries with the help of an insider, this info would not be hard to come by or guess, without the need for any complex surveillance. My guess is holiday weeks were sold as blocks - which is why a group of families leave on the Saturday (see the account of JW).

I used to work as a travel agent. Certain airlines only fly on certain days from particular airports. So if it's a package deal choice can be relatively limited.

 

[JB1510]

I summarize:

It is known, that C.B. has been dilligent in recording sex-crimes from the early or mid-2000's and collecting and producing from about 2015 or earlier (Neuwegersleben) "special" sexual content. IMO at least about 2017 or earlier (Braunschweig) he is proven to produce child himself.

In March 2018, a professional worldwide darkweb childporn-community site has been seized under collaboration of the german BKA and a investigation started, that seems to have led to some arrestments in germany either, maybe the one in Dresden. Maybe also in three other cities in germany, Lügde, Münster, Bergisch-Gladbach.

In june 2020 C.B. has been made public in relation to the murder (!) of MM, about two weeks after the Dresden arrestment.

Also in 2020 HCW answered the question, at what time he reached the certainty of MM's death, by saying that it has been at a time in the last two years. This togehter with the quote that he assumes that all evidence PJ and OG may have collected, should be known and he doesn't know, how far the mobile mast range could be in PDL. He refused to answer about any evidence that puts CB in 5A, because it would raise a thousand questions. And he "assumes" that the murder has followed soon after her disappearance.

So if the big anti-childporn operation lead the BKA to investigate C.B. over MM's death, it should be very clear what evidence they have and why they want to move to portugal again after the public inquiry, that focuses C.B.'s wherabouts.

JMO

Excellent info thanks for sharing . This would also tie up with something HCW said about something that came to their attention a few weeks prior to the public announcement re CB in June . I'm sure it's on the Omny fm podcast I'll see if I can find it.

 

[JB1510]

Found it , the BKA had been busy with CB the last two years
but escalated the few weeks before the public announcement .

Starts at 18.30


They've Taken Her - They've Taken Her - Omny.fm

 

[SuperdadV8]

So the C.B. focus should have materialized with the huge amount of anti-child operations around 2017/2018, in collaboration with german BKA.

If that is the case, it primary has nothing to do with OG and PJ. Nothing primary with HB, MS, MT, but obviously in addition to the primary verdict/evidence that has been found in relation to the dark web, where child has been traded worldwide for years.

And i would assume, that they could link the nickname(s) he used in darkweb to him, including the footage he may have shared and the "confessions" he may have made.

That would be the strongest verdict, if they may find the body (or parts of it!!!). They do not accuse him of abduction or abuse, they accuse him for murder!

I really think that he shared footage, that proves abuse but not the murder himself. But charging for murder after or whilst abuse, without forensic evidence or footage of 100 percent proven death, is a big hurdle IMO. Once an aquittal, another trial will be law-science-fiction in germany.

If they have footage of CB abusing a still missing MM, it wouldn't be that important, to put him in or in front of 5A on may the 3rd. They know, that there has been contact between CB and the poor little girl. There is already a chance of existing footage of him abusing her IN 5A (like in the park in Braunschweig)!

But to proof a murder, they do need MORE! That's for sure!

 

[Anxala]

I agree. To suggest that hotels and resorts dictate when guests arrive and leave is rubbish...

I don't think that's what @mrjitty was suggesting at all.

 

[SuperdadV8]

So the C.B. focus should have materialized with the huge amount of anti-child operations around 2017/2018, in collaboration with german BKA.

If that is the case, it primary has nothing to do with OG and PJ. Nothing primary with HB, MS, MT, but obviously in addition to the primary verdict/evidence that has been found in relation to the dark web, where child has been traded worldwide for years.

And i would assume, that they could link the nickname(s) he used in darkweb to him, including the footage he may have shared and the "confessions" he may have made.

That would be the strongest verdict, if they may find the body (or parts of it!!!). They do not accuse him of abduction or abuse, they accuse him for murder!

I really think that he shared footage, that proves abuse but not the murder himself. But charging for murder after or whilst abuse, without forensic evidence or footage of 100 percent proven death, is a big hurdle IMO. Once an aquittal, another trial will be law-science-fiction in germany.

If they have footage of CB abusing a still missing MM, it wouldn't be that important, to put him in or in front of 5A on may the 3rd. They know, that there has been contact between CB and the poor little girl. There is already a chance of existing footage of him abusing her IN 5A (like in the park in Braunschweig)!

But to proof a murder, they do need MORE! That's for sure!

Would like to add one thing, due to better understanding.

Although german penalty laws distinguish rape or maybe rape with the cause of death of the victim, a classical murder is nothing more than a manslaughter under special circumstances. That means causing death of a person, maybe by trying to hide another crime or to satisfy sexual urges for example. It even depends on the intent that the perpetrator is following.

At the end, a perp could be a murderer by doing a rape, that causes the death of the victim, even if not intended at all. But if the perp rapes someone in a way he accepts a possible death of the victim, maybe by the chosen modus operandi, he could be accused for murder.

In the end that means, if a paedo molests a child in a way, that could cause it's death, he or she isn't just a molester, but a murderer.

 

[redplanet]

So the C.B. focus should have materialized with the huge amount of anti-child operations around 2017/2018, in collaboration with german BKA.

If that is the case, it primary has nothing to do with OG and PJ. Nothing primary with HB, MS, MT, but obviously in addition to the primary verdict/evidence that has been found in relation to the dark web, where child has been traded worldwide for years.

And i would assume, that they could link the nickname(s) he used in darkweb to him, including the footage he may have shared and the "confessions" he may have made.

That would be the strongest verdict, if they may find the body (or parts of it!!!). They do not accuse him of abduction or abuse, they accuse him for murder!

I really think that he shared footage, that proves abuse but not the murder himself. But charging for murder after or whilst abuse, without forensic evidence or footage of 100 percent proven death, is a big hurdle IMO. Once an aquittal, another trial will be law-science-fiction in germany.

If they have footage of CB abusing a still missing MM, it wouldn't be that important, to put him in or in front of 5A on may the 3rd. They know, that there has been contact between CB and the poor little girl. There is already a chance of existing footage of him abusing her IN 5A (like in the park in Braunschweig)!

But to proof a murder, they do need MORE! That's for sure!

In the MM case HCW has accused CB of murder but has not accused him explicitly and definitely of any of these: abduction, transportation, or concealment, IMO.

 

[SuperdadV8]

That forum ran until end 2014, yet that arrest is Apr 2020, so it sounds like it took 6 years to investigate?

In the MM case HCW has accused CB of murder but has not accused him explicitly and definitely of any of these: abduction, transportation, or concealment, IMO.

It says nothing more that the suspect has run that site from 2010 until 2014. Nobody knows, at what time the investigation began. It's just a result of it.

In the investigation of a murder the focus is about taking the life of the victim under special circumstances. The priority isn't about abducting, transporting to the crime scene or other things. These circumstances are depending on the unique case and are just one part of the investigation.

If someone may have confessed to have killed a person, but is proven to have been miles away from the confirmed place and time of the occured death, it would be crucible because he couldn't have done it.

But if prosecuters can prove with evidence, that the suspect caused death of the victim, the time and place of the act CAN be just secondary. That's what i mean.

If that is the case, prosecuters must be prepared to rule out possible escapes of a suspect!

 

[SuperdadV8]

It says nothing more that the suspect has run that site from 2010 until 2014. Nobody knows, at what time the investigation began. It's just a result of it.

In the investigation of a murder the focus is about taking the life of the victim under special circumstances. The priority isn't about abducting, transporting to the crime scene or other things. These circumstances are depending on the unique case and are just one part of the investigation.

If someone may have confessed to have killed a person, but is proven to have been miles away from the confirmed place and time of the occured death, it would be crucible because he couldn't have done it.

But if prosecuters can prove with evidence, that the suspect caused death of the victim, the time and place of the act CAN be just secondary. That's what i mean.

If that is the case, prosecuters must be prepared to rule out possible escapes of a suspect!

Just for example.

You are a prosecuter. You have a paedo-suspect that is maybe boasting around for years to be the (only?) one that knows everything about a child, that is is missing for almost 14 years.

The suspect ist boasting around getting rid of evidence, after deepthroats went to long, whilst torturing small ones. Maybe even on the darkweb, to be the "king" of all that jerks, around there.

You may have footage of a perp, deepthroating a toddler, what unfortuneatly should be usual in that disgusting environments. Maybe he uploaded that "crap".

Do you have the proof beyond all reasonable doubt, that that perp is a killer? He will tell you, that he left her at the next traffic sign, after he had finished.

How will you prove him wrong, without the victim itself?

 

[Tekno]

I have a clue, how C.B. got into focus of the BKA. That could even explain HCW's kind of "disinterest" in former investigative approaches of PJ and SY and maybe what he has, that makes him so sure about a few things.

BKA - Listenseite für Pressemitteilungen 2020 - Schwerer sexueller Missbrauch von Kindern und bandenmäßiges Verbreiten von Kinderpornografie - Beschuldigter in Untersuchungshaft


"The Dresden public prosecutor's office has brought charges against a 38-year-old German at the Dresden regional court - youth chamber as youth protection court - i.a. collected in 18 cases for the distribution of child as a gang and serious sexual abuse of children.

The accused is charged with running their own child forum on the Darknet with other gang members from 2010 to the end of 2014. The aim of the forum was to create a global platform for the intensive and long-term exchange of child and youth pornographic content, whereby this should not be accessible to investigators via the Darknet.

The accused is still charged with sexual acts between April 2013 and April 2020 in 18 cases in a place near Meißen and on the island of Usedom on two girls who were seven and eight years old at the time of the crime and two female babies from his circle of friends and acquaintances to have filmed them and then distributed them on various platforms in the Darknet.

The accused, who used various nicknames on the Darknet, was identified in April 2020 after years of investigation and subsequently arrested on May 19, 2020. The European police authority Europol was also involved in the extensive and very elaborate investigations by the Federal Criminal Police Office. In particular, it provided intensive support for the European police exchange of information and contributed significantly to the identification of the accused. The arrest succeeded in ending a previously unknown series of abuse that had been ongoing since February 2020 to the detriment of an 8-year-old girl.

The accused fully confessed to the allegations.

The Dresden regional court will now decide on the opening of the main proceedings and the admission of the indictment.

A date for the main hearing will be set by the Dresden regional court.

The accused is still in custody."

Hi SuperD, are you referring to the attached snippet in Bild?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Hi SuperD, are you referring to the attached snippet in Bild?

The person on the right is Adrian V., main suspect in the "Münster"-case here in germany.

Although i see no connection to C.B., in my opinion all these big child cases are linked to a big worldwide operation in collaboration with the german BKA around 2017/2018.

So yes, if BKA investigates CB for killing MM, they MUST have discovered something important, that seem to be more than a simple verdict....

 

[redplanet]

At various parts of this video at allotment search are sniffer dogs . Does anyone know are these Leichenspürhunde? Or dogs trained to find computer devices? Also are these dogs owned by BKA?

 

[SuperdadV8]

At various parts of this video at allotment search are sniffer dogs . Does anyone know are these Leichenspürhunde? Or dogs trained to find computer devices? Also are these dogs owned by BKA?

It has been reported, that the dogs were data-sniffers. But that means nothing so far.