Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[SuperdadV8]

In UK the verb "to film" usually means to make moving pictures. But when HCW uses the english verb "to film" I think he naturally assumes it has the same meaning as the german verb "filmen". Therefore I ask: in Germany does the verb "filmen" mean to make moving pictures, or to make a static picture?

Both possible, but the main focus of "filmen" is making a video.

 

[Okapi]

It's common knowledge that these places tend to work on holiday weeks. e.g. arrive on Saturday afternoon/leave on Saturday morning = 7 nights

You don't need to have the place under observation to know that

It's not set in stone though.

 

[mrjitty]

It's not set in stone though.

No - and as I mentioned, we don't know what systems OC used. But if CB was routinely doing burglaries with the help of an insider, this info would not be hard to come by or guess, without the need for any complex surveillance. My guess is holiday weeks were sold as blocks - which is why a group of families leave on the Saturday (see the account of JW).

 

[Denis R Tandib]

@mrjitty

His name was suppressed to give him a fair trail.

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[mrjitty]

Must be my good fortune then. Been abroad numerous times and have always been able to choice the best duration to suit my circumstance, without having to stay in dire accommodation

Of course not. Me neither.

Let me explain it better. I had not come across this before I lived in germany.

The term/half term holidays are 2 weeks. So for example, in October, many german families will fly to the sun in places like Canaries, Majorca etc. The two week season is expanded by the fact that the German states stagger their holidays so not everyone goes at the same time. Many places renting holiday apartments in Majorca for example, specifically cater to these german family seasons and sell "holiday weeks" in blocks. As the different state's holidays begin and end, the berliners leave and the hamburg people arrive for example. Families arrive in groups on the Saturday. On the Sunday the place did a welcome meal so everyone could mix. Otherwise we were self catered. Friends of ours stayed at a place more like a hotel/resort which had a week of activities like the OC creche - including for school kids. On the last night is a disco. Then it repeats. These bookings can be hard to get in popular places with people renewing their booking year to year.

For these FeWo (Ferienwohnung" = holiday apartments"), the opportunity is quite narrow because the german families can only go on holiday during these specific weeks. Indeed in Majorca the big places were all closing that final weekend once the last german school holidays ended). The Spanish areas were already shut as the Spaniards mainly come in the summer. The result of all this is the family stays tend to be sold in weeks either directly or via packages - because otherwise you end up with nights you can't sell.

This is not controversial - e.g a friend of mine does AirBnB of a holiday apartment for skiing and he does not accept short stay during school holidays. But outside the holidays he will accept weekend bookings.

Now of course outside the school holidays, or at hotels/resorts not targeting these family groups none of this applies. This is why it was cheaper to have kids who were not yet at school!

But I've long assumed with all these family groups at OC during that fateful week, that OC did in fact sell a specific week booking. JW describes leaving with other guests on the Saturday.

 

[mrjitty]

I agree. To suggest that hotels and resorts dictate when guests arrive and leave is rubbish - although my experience in NZ is limited, perhaps it’s the norm in that particular antipodean country.

It's not common in NZ because we normally have huge amounts of tourists outside the NZ school holidays who are the main source of bookings. And of course hotels and resorts often don't cater exclusively to the family market.

But I can tell you that for FeWo targeting German families, it is completely common not to take short stay during the school holidays.

In the end, the exact details don't matter because it seems clear that at least some of the families were on the common Saturday/Saturday booking

Was it actually school holidays? I don't know if any of the group had school age kids.

 

[Dave55]

The parents indeed seem to refuse to engage with BKA, the reason could well be what you say, lawyers advice. They even denied receiving the letter that BKA sent them. So I don't see why we need to discuss this. Not yet at least.

It seems the parents didn't receive the letter. Reports said it was, sent via SY and SY didn't pass it on

 

[SuperdadV8]

I have a clue, how C.B. got into focus of the BKA. That could even explain HCW's kind of "disinterest" in former investigative approaches of PJ and SY and maybe what he has, that makes him so sure about a few things.

BKA - Listenseite für Pressemitteilungen 2020 - Schwerer sexueller Missbrauch von Kindern und bandenmäßiges Verbreiten von Kinderpornografie - Beschuldigter in Untersuchungshaft


"The Dresden public prosecutor's office has brought charges against a 38-year-old German at the Dresden regional court - youth chamber as youth protection court - i.a. collected in 18 cases for the distribution of child as a gang and serious sexual abuse of children.

The accused is charged with running their own child forum on the Darknet with other gang members from 2010 to the end of 2014. The aim of the forum was to create a global platform for the intensive and long-term exchange of child and youth pornographic content, whereby this should not be accessible to investigators via the Darknet.

The accused is still charged with sexual acts between April 2013 and April 2020 in 18 cases in a place near Meißen and on the island of Usedom on two girls who were seven and eight years old at the time of the crime and two female babies from his circle of friends and acquaintances to have filmed them and then distributed them on various platforms in the Darknet.

The accused, who used various nicknames on the Darknet, was identified in April 2020 after years of investigation and subsequently arrested on May 19, 2020. The European police authority Europol was also involved in the extensive and very elaborate investigations by the Federal Criminal Police Office. In particular, it provided intensive support for the European police exchange of information and contributed significantly to the identification of the accused. The arrest succeeded in ending a previously unknown series of abuse that had been ongoing since February 2020 to the detriment of an 8-year-old girl.

The accused fully confessed to the allegations.

The Dresden regional court will now decide on the opening of the main proceedings and the admission of the indictment.

A date for the main hearing will be set by the Dresden regional court.

The accused is still in custody."

 

[redplanet]

It's common knowledge that these places tend to work on holiday weeks. e.g. arrive on Saturday afternoon/leave on Saturday morning = 7 nights

You don't need to have the place under observation to know that

Charter-flight-inclusive holidays from the UK were Sat-Sat, because the UK-Faro-UK charter flights were on Saturdays.

 

[redplanet]

I have a clue, how C.B. got into focus of the BKA. That could even explain HCW's kind of "disinterest" in former investigative approaches of PJ and SY and maybe what he has, that makes him so sure about a few things.

BKA - Listenseite für Pressemitteilungen 2020 - Schwerer sexueller Missbrauch von Kindern und bandenmäßiges Verbreiten von Kinderpornografie - Beschuldigter in Untersuchungshaft


"The Dresden public prosecutor's office has brought charges against a 38-year-old German at the Dresden regional court - youth chamber as youth protection court - i.a. collected in 18 cases for the distribution of child as a gang and serious sexual abuse of children.

The accused is charged with running their own child forum on the Darknet with other gang members from 2010 to the end of 2014. The aim of the forum was to create a global platform for the intensive and long-term exchange of child and youth pornographic content, whereby this should not be accessible to investigators via the Darknet.

The accused is still charged with sexual acts between April 2013 and April 2020 in 18 cases in a place near Meißen and on the island of Usedom on two girls who were seven and eight years old at the time of the crime and two female babies from his circle of friends and acquaintances to have filmed them and then distributed them on various platforms in the Darknet.

The accused, who used various nicknames on the Darknet, was identified in April 2020 after years of investigation and subsequently arrested on May 19, 2020. The European police authority Europol was also involved in the extensive and very elaborate investigations by the Federal Criminal Police Office. In particular, it provided intensive support for the European police exchange of information and contributed significantly to the identification of the accused. The arrest succeeded in ending a previously unknown series of abuse that had been ongoing since February 2020 to the detriment of an 8-year-old girl.

The accused fully confessed to the allegations.

The Dresden regional court will now decide on the opening of the main proceedings and the admission of the indictment.

A date for the main hearing will be set by the Dresden regional court.

The accused is still in custody."

Presumably that arrest on 19 May 2020 would coincide with searches and acquisition of new material by BKA.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Presumably that arrest on 19 May 2020 would coincide with searches and acquisition of new material by BKA.

Very likely....

 

[Okapi]

It's not common in NZ because we normally have huge amounts of tourists outside the NZ school holidays who are the main source of bookings. And of course hotels and resorts often don't cater exclusively to the family market.

But I can tell you that for FeWo targeting German families, it is completely common not to take short stay during the school holidays.

In the end, the exact details don't matter because it seems clear that at least some of the families were on the common Saturday/Saturday booking

Was it actually school holidays? I don't know if any of the group had school age kids.

It wasn't UK school holidays, looks like they went after Easter and before summer half term.

 

[Trivento]

re. the discussions about how a suspect might have known when MM was still on holiday...might have been a tip-off from someone working at OC who had seen note about block dinner booking dates at Tapas reception . Whatever case...if a suspect had help from an insider at OC ..their job made much easier.

 

[Okapi]

I have a clue, how C.B. got into focus of the BKA. That could even explain HCW's kind of "disinterest" in former investigative approaches of PJ and SY and maybe what he has, that makes him so sure about a few things.

BKA - Listenseite für Pressemitteilungen 2020 - Schwerer sexueller Missbrauch von Kindern und bandenmäßiges Verbreiten von Kinderpornografie - Beschuldigter in Untersuchungshaft


"The Dresden public prosecutor's office has brought charges against a 38-year-old German at the Dresden regional court - youth chamber as youth protection court - i.a. collected in 18 cases for the distribution of child as a gang and serious sexual abuse of children.

The accused is charged with running their own child forum on the Darknet with other gang members from 2010 to the end of 2014. The aim of the forum was to create a global platform for the intensive and long-term exchange of child and youth pornographic content, whereby this should not be accessible to investigators via the Darknet.

The accused is still charged with sexual acts between April 2013 and April 2020 in 18 cases in a place near Meißen and on the island of Usedom on two girls who were seven and eight years old at the time of the crime and two female babies from his circle of friends and acquaintances to have filmed them and then distributed them on various platforms in the Darknet.

The accused, who used various nicknames on the Darknet, was identified in April 2020 after years of investigation and subsequently arrested on May 19, 2020. The European police authority Europol was also involved in the extensive and very elaborate investigations by the Federal Criminal Police Office. In particular, it provided intensive support for the European police exchange of information and contributed significantly to the identification of the accused. The arrest succeeded in ending a previously unknown series of abuse that had been ongoing since February 2020 to the detriment of an 8-year-old girl.

The accused fully confessed to the allegations.

The Dresden regional court will now decide on the opening of the main proceedings and the admission of the indictment.

A date for the main hearing will be set by the Dresden regional court.

The accused is still in custody."

"The accused fully confessed." Does that mean the digital evidence was irrefutable, I wonder. And if he is cooperating with LE, that may be putting the heat on CB et al.

Poor little girl, the same age as my daughter. Probably literally captive in the coronavirus lockdowns. Heartbreaking.

 

[SuperdadV8]

"The accused fully confessed." Does that mean the digital evidence was irrefutable, I wonder. And if he is cooperating with LE, that may be putting the heat on CB et al.

Poor little girl, the same age as my daughter. Probably literally captive in the coronavirus lockdowns. Heartbreaking.

Well,

IF there is a connection of C.B. and the BKA investigation of that reported paedo-darkweb-thing. And IF there is maybe a connection between the arrested Dresden guy and C.B., once accused and sentenced, the Dresden guy can't rely on his right to remain silent anymore and can be used as a (important) witness in other trials, related to that paedo-ring and darkweb activities.

For example about special conversations they had, shared footage, etc.. These darkweb paedo groups seem to be based on bringing footage to recieve footage, what i read so far. So many of them seem to be perverted enough to abuse their own children and share the footage of it. That's pretty sick!

So if C.B. used to be a customer on the darkweb, he must have published footage either, i would assume.

 

[Okapi]

Well,

IF there is a connection of C.B. and the BKA investigation of that reported paedo-darkweb-thing. And IF there is maybe a connection between the arrested Dresden guy and C.B., once accused and sentenced, the Dresden guy can't rely on his right to remain silent anymore and can be used as a (important) witness in other trials, related to that paedo-ring and darkweb activities.

For example about special conversations they had, shared footage, etc.. These darkweb paedo groups seem to be based on bringing footage to recieve footage, what i read so far. So many of them seem to be perverted enough to abuse their own children and share the footage of it. That's pretty sick!

So if C.B. used to be a customer on the darkweb, he must have published footage either, i would assume.

Yes, like a football card swap club. Vile creatures.

I wonder if CB was also physically acquainted with this guy. Didn't he live in Dresden for a time?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Well,

IF there is a connection of C.B. and the BKA investigation of that reported paedo-darkweb-thing. And IF there is maybe a connection between the arrested Dresden guy and C.B., once accused and sentenced, the Dresden guy can't rely on his right to remain silent anymore and can be used as a (important) witness in other trials, related to that paedo-ring and darkweb activities.

For example about special conversations they had, shared footage, etc.. These darkweb paedo groups seem to be based on bringing footage to recieve footage, what i read so far. So many of them seem to be perverted enough to abuse their own children and share the footage of it. That's pretty sick!

So if C.B. used to be a customer on the darkweb, he must have published footage either, i would assume.

Australians charged after police seize huge child site

"Many children in the videos have not yet been identified." (Oct. 2019)

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes, like a football card swap club. Vile creatures.

I wonder if CB was also physically acquainted with this guy. Didn't he live in Dresden for a time?

According to media reports, he spent time there, right!

 

[Sharkbite]

According to media reports, he spent time there, right!

I think it was reported to be his 1st stop after he left Portugal, I think it was mentioned he was there for 2 weeks.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think it was reported to be his 1st stop after he left Portugal, I think it was mentioned he was there for 2 weeks.

Right! After his conviction for the diesel theft (november/december 2006?) for a few weeks to a "girlfriend" in Dresden, then to Augsburg (AB?) and then back to Portugal.

So a possible Dresden connection could have been established shortly before MM's disappearance...