Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[C.greek]

So we are to believe that the witness, who is not trustworthy according to FF, must be one of the accused in this ring they uncovered? And also, is the mention of data found in an allotment related to the search of CB's allotment? How dreadful this whole business

 

[peanutJelly]

In this link it states that he was visiting a former girlfriend.
German Police Identify a Suspect in the Maddie Case - DER SPIEGEL - International

However, both articles are wrong stating that CB was still living in PDL, the Panorama link even mentions the Finca/farmhouse. As we know he hadn't lived there since early 2006, maybe even late 2005.

Makes it difficult what to believe whether it was a friend or former girlfriend in Dresden.

Maybe a girlfriend at the time, now former, it which case both reports are correct?

 

[Dlk79]

Perhaps this is the person previously referred to as having provided useful information in exchange for a possible reduced sentence for his own crimes. Him, or one of the other suspects involved in the Dresden/Munster cases.

IMO, the person FF refers to is still HB. He would have knowledge about the information HB has provided and the fact that he testified against CB in the DM rape case. The 2 articles below support that the person he originally referred to as BKA's "main witness" "of the worst kind" as being HB.

The lawyer of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has insisted that his client “is innocent.”

Speaking in Germany, Friedrich Fülscher insisted Brueckner had nothing to do with Maddie’s abduction and claimed he was the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

He claims that Brueckner was wrongly convicted of raping an American pensioner in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

But Fülscher said that the police investigations in both cases “are based on statements of the same dubious witnesses”. Adding: “I don’t believe anything these witnesses say.”
Maddie suspect Christian Brueckner's lawyer says he's a 'victim of injustice'

Convicted burglar Helge Busching contacted the Met Police Operation Grange unit in 2017 to implicate Brueckner in Madeleine's abduction.

He was in custody in Greece at the time for people trafficking charges. But Mr Fulscher is suspicious as to why Busching waited ten years after Brueckner allegedly told him he was involved to come forward to the police.

However, Busching last night told The Sun: 'I don't give a **** what [his] lawyer says. [Christian Brueckner] is guilty.'
Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer 'has evidence that clears client'

FF's other accusations also tie in with HB getting an early release from a foreign prison in exchange (although it now seems that early release was unrelated).

IF there is a link with CB to the more recent investigations in Munster etc, I don't think that was FF was referring to.

 

[SuperdadV8]

IMO, the person FF refers to is still HB. He would have knowledge about the information HB has provided and the fact that he testified against CB in the DM rape case.

Convicted burglar Helge Busching contacted the Met Police Operation Grange unit in 2017 to implicate Brueckner in Madeleine's abduction.

He was in custody in Greece at the time for people trafficking charges. But Mr Fulscher is suspicious as to why Busching waited ten years after Brueckner allegedly told him he was involved to come forward to the police.

However, Busching last night told The Sun: 'I don't give a **** what [his] lawyer says. [Christian Brueckner] is guilty.'
Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer 'has evidence that clears client'

FF's other accusations also tie in with HB getting an early release from a foreign prison in exchange (although it now seems that early release was unrelated).

IF there is a link with CB to the more recent investigations in Munster etc, I don't think that was FF was referring to.

I don't even think FF has been aware of at that time, that the MM-case just could be the chance find in a much bigger investigation against his client. At least i hope, that there will be a big avalanche coming in the next year. I do not think that the announced other cases against CB, that will be made public earlier, have to do with some sexual offences made in Portugal. It could become very interesting IMO...

 

[Trivento]

Major child sexual abuse trial begins in Germany

Sick vids in paedo torture house could take cops 30yrs to go through

A couple of related English language articles , the BBC one about a separate case but also maybe interesting info..?

 

[SuperdadV8]

It is so terrifying, how organized these sick people seem to be!

But it really must have been a very big operation over the last two years by the prosecuters.

 

[enjy15]

Major child sexual abuse trial begins in Germany

Sick vids in paedo torture house could take cops 30yrs to go through

A couple of related English language articles , the BBC one about a separate case but also maybe interesting info..?

On the ITV documentary about CB, I swear they said they found 30 yrs worth of footage that CB buried on a USB stick. To have that many child abuse images, it has to be a ring or network involved.

 

[Lilly b]

On the ITV documentary about CB, I swear they said they found 30 yrs worth of footage that CB buried on a USB stick. To have that many child abuse images, it has to be a ring or network involved.

I've not looked at the itv thing again, but I found this, has some details of what was found, and says boys as well as girls, which I didn't know, and the thing on munster was mainly boys I believe
Madeleine McCann prime suspect was found with secret stash of 391 child photos and 68 vile videos, as court records reveal the full horror of crimes that landed Christian Brueckner in jail
By Abul Taher Security Correspondent For The Mail On Sunday22:05 22 Aug 2020, updated 01:36 23 Aug 2020

The camera and its contents became the main evidence against Brueckner, 42, during two trials in which he was accused of sexually abusing the girl and possessing child .

He fled to Portugal after being acquitted in 2016, but admitted his guilt when he was extradited back to Germany a year later. He was given a 15-month jail sentence.

A ten-page judgment from Braunschweig District Court reveals that the photographs showed children under the age of 14 being abused by adults, while others involved children being forced to perform sex acts.

Police said the videos had been downloaded from the internet and stored on the camera’s memory card.

The judgment adds that there were several naked pictures of another ex-girlfriend of Brueckner’s – not the mother of the five-year-old – and photographs of her having sex with him.

Police also found a Reck P6E blank pistol with ammunition in his flat – illegal to possess without a licence under German law.

According to the document, the abuse of the five-year-old took place on June 16, 2013, in Braunschweig at around the same time that Brueckner came on to the radar of German investigators as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine.

It adds he took pictures of the abuse and ‘saved them on his later confiscated camera with the intent to later arouse himself sexually’.

Police received a tip-off about Brueckner following an appeal over Madeleine on German TV six years after she disappeared from her family holiday apartment in the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal in May 2007.

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Brueckner was living in the area at the time and police have said that mobile data shows he was near Maddie’s apartment on the evening she was abducted.

Court documents reveal the full horror of the crimes that landed Brueckner in jail for sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of an ex-girlfriend. Christian Brueckner, pictured with a friend in 2011
The judgment also noted that at the time of his arrest in 2014, Brueckner was on parole for a drugs offence he had committed in Niebull, a German city near the Danish border.

While he was being investigated for child abuse, he was caught trying to steal diesel from a truck in a parking lot in May 2015.

He was then arrested for drink-driving in September the same year and, two months later, assaulted his then girlfriend at a bus stop in Braunschweig.

After being jailed for the child abuse, Brueckner – now serving a sentence for drugs offences – was convicted of the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz and received a seven-year prison term.

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His lawyers have sought to have that conviction overturned due to what they claim was a procedural error in his extradition from Portugal to Germany in 2017.

Last month, police searched an allotment near Hanover where Brueckner lived for a time after returning to Germany, shortly after Maddie disappeared in Portugal.

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Madeleine McCann prime suspect was found with secret stash of 391 child photos

 

[Victoria Chambers]

See, I don't think there is a single case wherein a paedophile has ever changed their ways other than when it is made impossible for them to do so. For paedophiles there is no successful rehabilitation, no cure. So I have always wondered about the High profile pedo ring from Case Pia.. Doctors, LE, TV presenters?? They are all still out there somewhere!! Did you know MM was 1 of 31 children to go missing in Portugal during a 12 month period?? Any wonder why the locals were outraged with the media attention and televised News Conferences 're her disappeance?. It is not a crime to disappear in Portugal, be you 3 or 30 yrs old. And without evidence to say otherwise, LE will say there is no crime to investigate. So when K&G recruited the help of UK LE, Portugal started to ask "Who are these peop!e? "Why make it political?" etc. The answer is, MM is 3 yrs old, regardless of where she came from, there is something very wrong and it DOES require an investigation. Did you know, 1 of the officers who worked on and beat the mother of missing Joana Cipriani, was himself charged with and admitted to being the ringleader of a violent gang. Who would stake out homes before breaking in, tying up women and children before fleeing with goods! History shows, it is the people of Authority in Portugal whom, whilst serving the Country, have committed the most heinous crimes and then obstructed any course of justice. I think aaall the immature spelling mistakes of vital info, ie witness names in the files etc, was a deliberate attempt to hamper the investigation. The holiday industry in Portugal keeps the Nationals on the payroll. The statements include the said person, also their parents names - some of the latter are blotted out! The question is, who are those people?? The answers do not lie in British holiday snaps, the answer 'lies' in Portugal. I honestly doubt the truth will ever be known.

 

[Lilly b]

See, I don't think there is a single case wherein a paedophile has ever changed their ways other than when it is made impossible for them to do so. For paedophiles there is no successful rehabilitation, no cure. So I have always wondered about the High profile pedo ring from Case Pia.. Doctors, LE, TV presenters?? They are all still out there somewhere!! Did you know MM was 1 of 31 children to go missing in Portugal during a 12 month period?? Any wonder why the locals were outraged with the media attention and televised News Conferences 're her disappeance?. It is not a crime to disappear in Portugal, be you 3 or 30 yrs old. And without evidence to say otherwise, LE will say there is no crime to investigate. So when K&G recruited the help of UK LE, Portugal started to ask "Who are these peop!e? "Why make it political?" etc. The answer is, MM is 3 yrs old, regardless of where she came from, there is something very wrong and it DOES require an investigation. Did you know, 1 of the officers who worked on and beat the mother of missing Joana Cipriani, was himself charged with and admitted to being the ringleader of a violent gang. Who would stake out homes before breaking in, tying up women and children before fleeing with goods! History shows, it is the people of Authority in Portugal whom, whilst serving the Country, have committed the most heinous crimes and then obstructed any course of justice. I think aaall the immature spelling mistakes of vital info, ie witness names in the files etc, was a deliberate attempt to hamper the investigation. The holiday industry in Portugal keeps the Nationals on the payroll. The statements include the said person, also their parents names - some of the latter are blotted out! The question is, who are those people?? The answers do not lie in British holiday snaps, the answer 'lies' in Portugal. I honestly doubt the truth will ever be known.

Totally agree, and the corrupt pj, and ga want locking up, for not investigating, just trying to pin it on the nearest people, I do think ex girlfriends will have given vital info, and I do think tourist pictures can help, can show who he was with, where he was etc, HB and ms and Mt spoke to the police, and can't say much more to the public and press, and there will be others, who have been told to keep quiet for now, as we are seeing there is more to this than we could of imagined, defo more info in Portugal, and that's why they want go back and speak to people, think there are lots of evidence not followed up etc, but there is ties to Germany too

 

[Scorpiette]

See, I don't think there is a single case wherein a paedophile has ever changed their ways other than when it is made impossible for them to do so. For paedophiles there is no successful rehabilitation, no cure. So I have always wondered about the High profile pedo ring from Case Pia.. Doctors, LE, TV presenters?? They are all still out there somewhere!! Did you know MM was 1 of 31 children to go missing in Portugal during a 12 month period?? Any wonder why the locals were outraged with the media attention and televised News Conferences 're her disappeance?. It is not a crime to disappear in Portugal, be you 3 or 30 yrs old. And without evidence to say otherwise, LE will say there is no crime to investigate. So when K&G recruited the help of UK LE, Portugal started to ask "Who are these peop!e? "Why make it political?" etc. The answer is, MM is 3 yrs old, regardless of where she came from, there is something very wrong and it DOES require an investigation. Did you know, 1 of the officers who worked on and beat the mother of missing Joana Cipriani, was himself charged with and admitted to being the ringleader of a violent gang. Who would stake out homes before breaking in, tying up women and children before fleeing with goods! History shows, it is the people of Authority in Portugal whom, whilst serving the Country, have committed the most heinous crimes and then obstructed any course of justice. I think aaall the immature spelling mistakes of vital info, ie witness names in the files etc, was a deliberate attempt to hamper the investigation. The holiday industry in Portugal keeps the Nationals on the payroll. The statements include the said person, also their parents names - some of the latter are blotted out! The question is, who are those people?? The answers do not lie in British holiday snaps, the answer 'lies' in Portugal. I honestly doubt the truth will ever be known.

Wow! 31 kids missing in Portugal in that 12 months? Did any of the others go missing around the PDL region? Have any been found since?

 

[Lilly b]

Wow! 31 kids missing in Portugal in that 12 months? Did any of the others go missing around the PDL region? Have any been found since?

Not in 1 year

THIRTY children have gone missing in Portugal since Madeleine McCann
disappeared five years ago, official figures reveal.

The grim toll contradicts Portuguese claims her case was unique and abduction
was rare.

 

[tedtink]

Keeping this in perspective those figures from Portugal are 'children' up to the age of 18 so would include teenage runaways, whilst it's still very sad, the 'recorded' figure is very low compared to other countries stats. Not all would have been abducted, trafficked or have met another sad demise.
'Stranger' abduction still remains rare.

"In the United Kingdom, an estimated 112,853 children are reported missing every year."
National Crime Agency, UK Missing Persons Bureau.


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[Trivento]

Keeping this in perspective those figures from Portugal are 'children' up to the age of 18 so would include teenage runaways, whilst it's still very sad, the 'recorded' figure is very low compared to other countries stats. Not all would have been abducted, trafficked or have met another sad demise.
'Stranger' abduction still remains rare.

"In the United Kingdom, an estimated 112,853 children are reported missing every year."
National Crime Agency, UK Missing Persons Bureau.


HuffPost is now a part of Verizon Media

Good point here.
Of course the earlier posts here were not doing this , but I always find the views on other sites , criticising MM case high profile ,to be out of order when they spout their old cliches about why so much attention to this case while “x- amount “ of people go missing every minute.
They are all sad news in their own way ( mostly..although the statistics also include figures of non-criminal situations that are sometimes successfully resolved very quickly) but is unfair to compare cases that are often completely unalike.As has been said cases like MM , Inga , Morgan Nick etc. are very unique and thankfully rare.

 

[Anxala]

Keeping this in perspective those figures from Portugal are 'children' up to the age of 18 so would include teenage runaways, whilst it's still very sad, the 'recorded' figure is very low compared to other countries stats. Not all would have been abducted, trafficked or have met another sad demise.
'Stranger' abduction still remains rare.

"In the United Kingdom, an estimated 112,853 children are reported missing every year."
National Crime Agency, UK Missing Persons Bureau.
HuffPost is now a part of Verizon Media

Thanks for that much appreciated, factual balance.

 

[C.greek]

Thanks for that much appreciated, factual balance.

Indeed and this explains why all this publicity.

 

[redplanet]

MA took a child on holiday to Sylt (a coastal island of Germany) and assaulted the child there.
Münster: 13 Mal Kinder missbraucht – Mutter wirft Angeklagtem Kuss zu | Münster
Mentioning this because CB has also visited Sylt.

 

[SuperdadV8]

MA took a child on holiday to Sylt (a coastal island of Germany) and assaulted the child there.
Münster: 13 Mal Kinder missbraucht – Mutter wirft Angeklagtem Kuss zu | Münster
Mentioning this because CB has also visited Sylt.

Interesting, isn't it? Childporn and Drugs. Everything that can make some money and pleases own needs.

"I can transport drugs and children in there. Nobody can catch you..."

BKA wasn't investigating MM at first...

Pretty obvious, he boasted around of her in the darkweb. Or even "promoted" her. Sick bast#@d!!!

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

1 - I did a quick check on the usernames/profiles of the most active members of this forum replying on this particular MM thread and I did reach the conclusion that most of you guys did join the WEBSLEUTHS just by the time that BKA announced to have the new suspect on the MM case so it's quite reasonable to assume that "most" of you guys are here mainly for MM and probably most of you guys did came from other "older" forums like J4, PFA2, etc - all MM centered - so your knowledge over the MM case is far superior than mine yet I will contribute a little bit more to this thread just because I want to have this posted here so that i can come back here next year and check if i was right or wrong.

2 - Let's see; Münster issue : -

According to the German Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), the man created a child exploitation forum and hosted it as an onion service. He allegedly launched the forum in 2010 and kept it running through 2014, according to a BKA press release.

In addition to the charges stemming from the operation of the forum, the defendant faces charges for sexually abusing children between April 2013 and April 2020. He allegedly distributed films of the assaults on various darkweb forums under a number of usernames.

I would say that :

a) The guys were running a SERVER that hosted a FORUM that could be accessed over TOR, meaning that they would of course have their own content BUT that amount of data that they are talking about would refer to a "combined" amount of child uploaded by ALL members of the forum and not just the acused. On TOR you shouldn't be able to get the IP of the other guys at "client" side so LEA "busted" the "server" and did get to the ones running it but a bet that a big huge amount of people did get away as they would be all over the world using the server by that time. Same would be like all of us posting here and if this site were to went down the "data" on it collected by someone who would have the server would be the total amount of content uploaded by ALL of us.

b) If you think about what I wrote on a) you will see that by collecting the server data you can not only get the data from the "producers" but you can get as well the uploaded data plus the data that was shared "in private".

c) I don't know hom many of you are in LEA and I would bet no-one is as most of you would be MM case followers providing your ideas all over the years on diferent forums but for those who deal with HUGE amount of Missing Children cases it's quite simple; the majority of the Child that is produced and shared even on the "darkweb" - let's say - TOR servers - is produced NORMALY by family of the victims and relatives or close friends, also pedos that "trade" or "share" their own victims with other pedos to get to the children of the other pedos as well, and this is HORRIBLE because there are a huge amount of victims that will typicaly be abused for years and years and endure hours of abused as stated, like several pedos taking turns in abusing. But then again this is one thing that normaly doesn't happen on missing children cases. How many cases of children are know to be "abducted" by a stranger to produce child ? Think about this.

d) If MM were to be filmed/photos were to be taken and uploaded to the "darkweb" by now they would have been found. Simple. Same as for same type of content of the other "high profile" missing girls/boys. AND IF those photos were to be found LEA would right way INFORM the PARENTS and the POLICE IN CHARGE OF THE MISSING CHILDREN CASE. This is because those operations are runned by Europol/Interpol. Did PJ say anything about photos of MM found AFTER her abduction ?

e) IF there are content of MM suffering abuse that content is "exclusive" kept by the abuser, like someone that would rape and keep the video, like CB have done with the older lady and the little girl he did abuse. Were those "videos"/"photos" posted on the darkweb ? I don't think so.

f) NO WAY the parents of MM to NOT BE INFORMED if pedo/content were to be found with MM suffering abuse. Again I don't know A SINGLE CASE of a kidnapped HIGH PROFILE little girl like MM that was kidnapped to produce Child .

g) YES, MM case do LOOK LIKE a kidnapp most likely by someone with sexual motivations like the very recent guy from Germany that get the little girl from her bedroom to abuse and later attempted to kill her on the river. This is the TYPICAL scenario - Kidnapper with sexual motivation will abuse the "stranger" child and kill her. Other options MIGHT be possible but are NOT VERY LIKELY.

h) At any rate IF MM was taken by CB I truly don't think that "content" were shared of the abuse. Now if we gather what we have we will know that pen drives/memory cards from CB were apreended. They were BURRIED so for me it does mean that CB wouldn't use them often otherwise he would have to dig up the hole with the dog's bones to get the content when he needed. If it's something that you use often you want to have it handy and 2 - Police din't have any trouble to get to the content so the memory cards WERE NOT ENCRYPTED as expected from someone STUPID like CB so ...

3 - About CB : - I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION (people from this forum/thread) and I DO UNDERSTAND how much all of you guys do want for this to be a "lead" that will end to the closure of the MM case. I DO UNDERSTAND AS WELL that i might be "fishy" or "strange" even more because I did just register some weeks ago but I'M NOT AN ANTI and I'M not a PRO (Mccann). I try to see things in a logic way, my logic, even if it's a strange logic.

For me :

a) Someone like the "old" "friends" of CB did turn him in for several reasons. Might be to get away from their own problems with law, might be that they are after the reward and it might be that they do BELIEVE as certain true that CB did kill MM.

b) That "someone" passes to LEA info about CB including the PT mobile phone number that CB was using when MM went missing. On the MM files available on the DVD that the PJ provided there are NO REVERSE MATCH of numbers to holders so German BKA would NEVER KNOW what number would be used by CB IN PORTUGAL as they didn't have access to the phone network providers and the data IS NOT on the PJ files/DVD. They could match IMEI to Number and Client but they would do that in GERMAN. They would need to request PJ to do the same in PT. Goes without saying the phone number was provided to BKA by "someone" I of course that I would assume that it's related to CB old friends.

c) BKA in particular HCW have his own motivations to go after CB or to solve MM case. Might be MANY reasons. It might be that he TRULLY BELIEVE that CB is guilty (the same way GA would "blindly" believe that the Mccanns did it) or it might even be "something else" like wanting to solve the MM case for some particular reason/interest or even not be MM related and wanted to get CB for other reasons/crimes or might be after other stuff possible hidden on CB places like drugs/money, or might even be several reasons. So HCW - IN MY OPPINION - have STATMENTS from older friends of CB and that is what starts all of this. Of course he did run the search of CB phone number provided by CB old friend on the data provided by PJ on the DVD and that match but WITHOUT someone saying it was CB number BKA couldn't "guess".

4 - I don't want to disturb ANYONE HERE but i do make "my bet" so that i can return here in the next year and see if i'm right or worng. I do BET (AGAINS THE MAJORITY OF ODDS NOW) that CB WILL NOT be charged with MM killing/death. Most of you will disagree. To be honest I'm NOT SURE that he is indeed "cleared" from the killing/abuse/MM as I'm NOT sure about the other suspects like Robert M. in the past, even Ray. H., etc ... this case is NOT a case that i did pay much attention so i'm no-one to judge or tell but I'm just using my capability of reasoning to check how likely all of this is to happen and I trully believe that after all of this CB IS NOT going to be charged (for MM case of course). JUST MY BET.

Justifications :

- He would have filmed the abuses.
- Those media would have been found by now.
- He did abuse several kids and even old woman and never attempt to dispose of evidences so it wouldn't make sense to kill MM to "hide" the rape. If he were that kind of guy he wouldn't go and expose himself for no gain at all and risk to get jailed.
- He would have done WAY MORE victims and there would be EVIDENCES for at least some of his victims. Take some other example like pedo/child killers that kill several kids and get busted by evidences found of one or 2 kids that they killed when in fact they did kill much more. The more you kill the more likely it is to get in Jail.
- CB have the PERFECT condition to abuse kids, he could lock the kids on the secret basements and even on the van and torture them for days or even more if he wanted to, there would be NO NEED to use a child just once and kill it, it would kept the child locked to multiple abuse as stated by himself - he would do it because he stated that he wanted to do it.
-IF CB did state on 2013 that WE WOULD LIKE to get a little girl to abuse for days and if the translation is not lost and if his words are exactly like that so i does suggest that if he wants to or wishes to it's because he (back in 2013) WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT YET ! Otherwise he would state "For once i did rape a little one for days". Something among those lines.

5 - I DON'T HAVE ANY LINK TO CB I did state this MANY TIMES and I DO HOPE that HE ROT IN JAIL !

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MY MOTIVATIONS
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I did JUST WISH that CB would NOT BE THE KILLER in SOME CASES not because I would like for other killer to abuse the child on the place of CB but TO LET OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO BE VIABLE.

- On BRAZIL 10 years ago or so a woman did capur several girls and kept them on a garage, she TORTURED the girls for almost one year, torture would include burning, raping (with objects) and even cutting parts of the body of those girls. This kind of people DO ENJOY the suffering of the child.
- By the same time more or less in INDIA some pedo guys did get hold to a 5 yo (or so) that was living near and did rape her and tortured her for 2 days without stopping changing between abusers, girl was "rescued" but did end up dying on hospital.

THIS IS MY FEAR - Someone that I DO CARE to end up like that. Idea is that for me to be here is not just "following" the news and what people think. While for most of you guys the OUTCOME is what matter for me the less the child did end up suffering the better and why is then the interest in CB so big for me ?

Let's say for example that by any reason (that doesn't matter for you guys to know) I don't wish for example that RENÉ HASSÉ in particular did suffer allot when dying. Now I can believe that he did just drown. I can be almost certain that he did drown. He have a case in portugal where students from college were near the water (drunk) and were simply pulled by a wave from the shore to the water and dyed. We have a famouse musician that recently comited suicide by jumping to the water and did never appear(the body). There are cases of children missing on the water and people see them drowning and can't save them and the body can't be recovered. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. For me It's NOT IMPOSSIBLE that something like that did happen to René. Might not be "likely" but it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Got it ? Like in the cat in the box that it's alive and dead up untill you open the box. If police now finds that RENÉ was killed by CB the option of "fast painless drowning" becames a dead by a sexual predator.

That is WHY i did react the way I did on my other posts. IT'S NOT that I DO WANT for CB to get away with crime it's just that on CASES THAT MATTER TO ME there are OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS apart from a SEXUAL PREDATOR and if CB were to be guilty on those then the death/suffering of the child would not be the same.
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BUT I did change my mind in relation to the MM case in one way; IF and only IF all other possibilities are exausted than IT DOES LOOK LIKE that on MM particular case the only VIABLE LEAD is a PEDO/SEXUAL predator so IF THAT is the case then yes, as fast as he is on jail the better. I DON'T CARE if CB is charged for example in exchange for Robert M. or "mister x" or whatever but i WOULD for example mind if a "possible drowning/possible crime" became a "no drowning/certain crime". Goes without saying that It's an example, it goes for all other missing children cases.

Now we wait and we will see. IF CB is indeed guilty the hope might be that someone else will provide more info on CB to frame him. If NOT the chance is that they will not have anything more than just words. BUT this is a verifiable thing. If on the next year BKA can't charge CB then i was correct. If they can or at least if they can try to get him to trial so I WAS WRONG and I ADMIT IT, so I'm lefting this post here for confirmation.

By now all looks like that HCW "evidence is strong", so odds are that he will at least attempt to get him to trial. If he can't I'm correct.

If there are things like photos of MM (abused) they will charge for sure. No way they will hide that. If there are I will loose as well.

If there aren't my "sleuthing" was "ok" - or in this case my "profiling".

I will NOT be able to attempt to help in solving the case(s) rhat I want if i start to make mistakes in my judgment, so this is a test to myself so that i can see later if i as right or wrong regarding CB ! Just that.

Thanks for reading my long post. I will update further If i find necessary to coment further on this matter.

 

[SuperdadV8]

1 - I did a quick check on the usernames/profiles of the most active members of this forum replying on this particular MM thread and I did reach the conclusion that most of you guys did join the WEBSLEUTHS just by the time that BKA announced to have the new suspect on the MM case so it's quite reasonable to assume that "most" of you guys are here mainly for MM and probably most of you guys did came from other "older" forums like J4, PFA2, etc - all MM centered - so your knowledge over the MM case is far superior than mine yet I will contribute a little bit more to this thread just because I want to have this posted here so that i can come back here next year and check if i was right or wrong.

2 - Let's see; Münster issue : -

According to the German Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), the man created a child exploitation forum and hosted it as an onion service. He allegedly launched the forum in 2010 and kept it running through 2014, according to a BKA press release.

In addition to the charges stemming from the operation of the forum, the defendant faces charges for sexually abusing children between April 2013 and April 2020. He allegedly distributed films of the assaults on various darkweb forums under a number of usernames.

I would say that :

a) The guys were running a SERVER that hosted a FORUM that could be accessed over TOR, meaning that they would of course have their own content BUT that amount of data that they are talking about would refer to a "combined" amount of child uploaded by ALL members of the forum and not just the acused. On TOR you shouldn't be able to get the IP of the other guys at "client" side so LEA "busted" the "server" and did get to the ones running it but a bet that a big huge amount of people did get away as they would be all over the world using the server by that time. Same would be like all of us posting here and if this site were to went down the "data" on it collected by someone who would have the server would be the total amount of content uploaded by ALL of us.

b) If you think about what I wrote on a) you will see that by collecting the server data you can not only get the data from the "producers" but you can get as well the uploaded data plus the data that was shared "in private".

c) I don't know hom many of you are in LEA and I would bet no-one is as most of you would be MM case followers providing your ideas all over the years on diferent forums but for those who deal with HUGE amount of Missing Children cases it's quite simple; the majority of the Child that is produced and shared even on the "darkweb" - let's say - TOR servers - is produced NORMALY by family of the victims and relatives or close friends, also pedos that "trade" or "share" their own victims with other pedos to get to the children of the other pedos as well, and this is HORRIBLE because there are a huge amount of victims that will typicaly be abused for years and years and endure hours of abused as stated, like several pedos taking turns in abusing. But then again this is one thing that normaly doesn't happen on missing children cases. How many cases of children are know to be "abducted" by a stranger to produce child ? Think about this.

d) If MM were to be filmed/photos were to be taken and uploaded to the "darkweb" by now they would have been found. Simple. Same as for same type of content of the other "high profile" missing girls/boys. AND IF those photos were to be found LEA would right way INFORM the PARENTS and the POLICE IN CHARGE OF THE MISSING CHILDREN CASE. This is because those operations are runned by Europol/Interpol. Did PJ say anything about photos of MM found AFTER her abduction ?

e) IF there are content of MM suffering abuse that content is "exclusive" kept by the abuser, like someone that would rape and keep the video, like CB have done with the older lady and the little girl he did abuse. Were those "videos"/"photos" posted on the darkweb ? I don't think so.

f) NO WAY the parents of MM to NOT BE INFORMED if pedo/content were to be found with MM suffering abuse. Again I don't know A SINGLE CASE of a kidnapped HIGH PROFILE little girl like MM that was kidnapped to produce Child .

g) YES, MM case do LOOK LIKE a kidnapp most likely by someone with sexual motivations like the very recent guy from Germany that get the little girl from her bedroom to abuse and later attempted to kill her on the river. This is the TYPICAL scenario - Kidnapper with sexual motivation will abuse the "stranger" child and kill her. Other options MIGHT be possible but are NOT VERY LIKELY.

h) At any rate IF MM was taken by CB I truly don't think that "content" were shared of the abuse. Now if we gather what we have we will know that pen drives/memory cards from CB were apreended. They were BURRIED so for me it does mean that CB wouldn't use them often otherwise he would have to dig up the hole with the dog's bones to get the content when he needed. If it's something that you use often you want to have it handy and 2 - Police din't have any trouble to get to the content so the memory cards WERE NOT ENCRYPTED as expected from someone STUPID like CB so ...

3 - About CB : - I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION (people from this forum/thread) and I DO UNDERSTAND how much all of you guys do want for this to be a "lead" that will end to the closure of the MM case. I DO UNDERSTAND AS WELL that i might be "fishy" or "strange" even more because I did just register some weeks ago but I'M NOT AN ANTI and I'M not a PRO (Mccann). I try to see things in a logic way, my logic, even if it's a strange logic.

For me :

a) Someone like the "old" "friends" of CB did turn him in for several reasons. Might be to get away from their own problems with law, might be that they are after the reward and it might be that they do BELIEVE as certain true that CB did kill MM.

b) That "someone" passes to LEA info about CB including the PT mobile phone number that CB was using when MM went missing. On the MM files available on the DVD that the PJ provided there are NO REVERSE MATCH of numbers to holders so German BKA would NEVER KNOW what number would be used by CB IN PORTUGAL as they didn't have access to the phone network providers and the data IS NOT on the PJ files/DVD. They could match IMEI to Number and Client but they would do that in GERMAN. They would need to request PJ to do the same in PT. Goes without saying the phone number was provided to BKA by "someone" I of course that I would assume that it's related to CB old friends.

c) BKA in particular HCW have his own motivations to go after CB or to solve MM case. Might be MANY reasons. It might be that he TRULLY BELIEVE that CB is guilty (the same way GA would "blindly" believe that the Mccanns did it) or it might even be "something else" like wanting to solve the MM case for some particular reason/interest or even not be MM related and wanted to get CB for other reasons/crimes or might be after other stuff possible hidden on CB places like drugs/money, or might even be several reasons. So HCW - IN MY OPPINION - have STATMENTS from older friends of CB and that is what starts all of this. Of course he did run the search of CB phone number provided by CB old friend on the data provided by PJ on the DVD and that match but WITHOUT someone saying it was CB number BKA couldn't "guess".

4 - I don't want to disturb ANYONE HERE but i do make "my bet" so that i can return here in the next year and see if i'm right or worng. I do BET (AGAINS THE MAJORITY OF ODDS NOW) that CB WILL NOT be charged with MM killing/death. Most of you will disagree. To be honest I'm NOT SURE that he is indeed "cleared" from the killing/abuse/MM as I'm NOT sure about the other suspects like Robert M. in the past, even Ray. H., etc ... this case is NOT a case that i did pay much attention so i'm no-one to judge or tell but I'm just using my capability of reasoning to check how likely all of this is to happen and I trully believe that after all of this CB IS NOT going to be charged (for MM case of course). JUST MY BET.

Justifications :

- He would have filmed the abuses.
- Those media would have been found by now.
- He did abuse several kids and even old woman and never attempt to dispose of evidences so it wouldn't make sense to kill MM to "hide" the rape. If he were that kind of guy he wouldn't go and expose himself for no gain at all and risk to get jailed.
- He would have done WAY MORE victims and there would be EVIDENCES for at least some of his victims. Take some other example like pedo/child killers that kill several kids and get busted by evidences found of one or 2 kids that they killed when in fact they did kill much more. The more you kill the more likely it is to get in Jail.
- CB have the PERFECT condition to abuse kids, he could lock the kids on the secret basements and even on the van and torture them for days or even more if he wanted to, there would be NO NEED to use a child just once and kill it, it would kept the child locked to multiple abuse as stated by himself - he would do it because he stated that he wanted to do it.
-IF CB did state on 2013 that WE WOULD LIKE to get a little girl to abuse for days and if the translation is not lost and if his words are exactly like that so i does suggest that if he wants to or wishes to it's because he (back in 2013) WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT YET ! Otherwise he would state "For once i did rape a little one for days". Something among those lines.

5 - I DON'T HAVE ANY LINK TO CB I did state this MANY TIMES and I DO HOPE that HE ROT IN JAIL !

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MY MOTIVATIONS
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I did JUST WISH that CB would NOT BE THE KILLER in SOME CASES not because I would like for other killer to abuse the child on the place of CB but TO LET OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO BE VIABLE.

- On BRAZIL 10 years ago or so a woman did capur several girls and kept them on a garage, she TORTURED the girls for almost one year, torture would include burning, raping (with objects) and even cutting parts of the body of those girls. This kind of people DO ENJOY the suffering of the child.
- By the same time more or less in INDIA some pedo guys did get hold to a 5 yo (or so) that was living near and did rape her and tortured her for 2 days without stopping changing between abusers, girl was "rescued" but did end up dying on hospital.

THIS IS MY FEAR - Someone that I DO CARE to end up like that. Idea is that for me to be here is not just "following" the news and what people think. While for most of you guys the OUTCOME is what matter for me the less the child did end up suffering the better and why is then the interest in CB so big for me ?

Let's say for example that by any reason (that doesn't matter for you guys to know) I don't wish for example that RENÉ HASSÉ in particular did suffer allot when dying. Now I can believe that he did just drown. I can be almost certain that he did drown. He have a case in portugal where students from college were near the water (drunk) and were simply pulled by a wave from the shore to the water and dyed. We have a famouse musician that recently comited suicide by jumping to the water and did never appear(the body). There are cases of children missing on the water and people see them drowning and can't save them and the body can't be recovered. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. For me It's NOT IMPOSSIBLE that something like that did happen to René. Might not be "likely" but it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Got it ? Like in the cat in the box that it's alive and dead up untill you open the box. If police now finds that RENÉ was killed by CB the option of "fast painless drowning" becames a dead by a sexual predator.

That is WHY i did react the way I did on my other posts. IT'S NOT that I DO WANT for CB to get away with crime it's just that on CASES THAT MATTER TO ME there are OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS apart from a SEXUAL PREDATOR and if CB were to be guilty on those then the death/suffering of the child would not be the same.
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BUT I did change my mind in relation to the MM case in one way; IF and only IF all other possibilities are exausted than IT DOES LOOK LIKE that on MM particular case the only VIABLE LEAD is a PEDO/SEXUAL predator so IF THAT is the case then yes, as fast as he is on jail the better. I DON'T CARE if CB is charged for example in exchange for Robert M. or "mister x" or whatever but i WOULD for example mind if a "possible drowning/possible crime" became a "no drowning/certain crime". Goes without saying that It's an example, it goes for all other missing children cases.

Now we wait and we will see. IF CB is indeed guilty the hope might be that someone else will provide more info on CB to frame him. If NOT the chance is that they will not have anything more than just words. BUT this is a verifiable thing. If on the next year BKA can't charge CB then i was correct. If they can or at least if they can try to get him to trial so I WAS WRONG and I ADMIT IT, so I'm lefting this post here for confirmation.

By now all looks like that HCW "evidence is strong", so odds are that he will at least attempt to get him to trial. If he can't I'm correct.

If there are things like photos of MM (abused) they will charge for sure. No way they will hide that. If there are I will loose as well.

If there aren't my "sleuthing" was "ok" - or in this case my "profiling".

I will NOT be able to attempt to help in solving the case(s) rhat I want if i start to make mistakes in my judgment, so this is a test to myself so that i can see later if i as right or wrong regarding CB ! Just that.

Thanks for reading my long post. I will update further If i find necessary to coment further on this matter.

That one and one of your MASSIVE written "theories":

"IF there are content of MM suffering abuse that content is "exclusive" kept by the abuser, like someone that would rape and keep the video, like CB have done with the older lady and the little girl he did abuse. Were those "videos"/"photos" posted on the darkweb ? I don't think so."


is IMO wrong in the way, that footage of sexual crimes could even have been made to put it in the darkweb for some other private reasons!

Maybe not jerking off later on sundays, but...as i said...lots of these communities demand to deliver, before consuming....

And i'm sure you know that!