Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Lilly b]

Agreed. That is a good summary '79. An example: at Praia de Vales it was burglary, no assault at all. And ex-friends describe him as a frequent burglar. It is possible there was no sexual assault in the MM case,

And so going down the route of no sexual assault, could it be then to sell on, whether for a childless couple etc, as he seemed to of gained lots of money, as mentioned by Mt when he turned up to see him in May? As previously mentioned he is guilty of lots of crimes, but not murder, that we are aware of anyway.
Off subject slightly, regarding say a crime is committed, and someone hears someone saying oh I know who did it, and says the name, and you hear them, so you then go the police about it, does the police have to then go and speak to them, or not?? I thought they had to follow up leads, ASAP, and then you get a statement of them, obviously you don't just then charge them, unless they confess

 

[Lilly b]

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[Chiatos]

1 - I did a quick check on the usernames/profiles of the most active members of this forum replying on this particular MM thread and I did reach the conclusion that most of you guys did join the WEBSLEUTHS just by the time that BKA announced to have the new suspect on the MM case so it's quite reasonable to assume that "most" of you guys are here mainly for MM and probably most of you guys did came from other "older" forums like J4, PFA2, etc - all MM centered - so your knowledge over the MM case is far superior than mine yet I will contribute a little bit more to this thread just because I want to have this posted here so that i can come back here next year and check if i was right or wrong.

2 - Let's see; Münster issue : -

According to the German Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), the man created a child exploitation forum and hosted it as an onion service. He allegedly launched the forum in 2010 and kept it running through 2014, according to a BKA press release.

In addition to the charges stemming from the operation of the forum, the defendant faces charges for sexually abusing children between April 2013 and April 2020. He allegedly distributed films of the assaults on various darkweb forums under a number of usernames.

I would say that :

a) The guys were running a SERVER that hosted a FORUM that could be accessed over TOR, meaning that they would of course have their own content BUT that amount of data that they are talking about would refer to a "combined" amount of child porn uploaded by ALL members of the forum and not just the acused. On TOR you shouldn't be able to get the IP of the other guys at "client" side so LEA "busted" the "server" and did get to the ones running it but a bet that a big huge amount of people did get away as they would be all over the world using the server by that time. Same would be like all of us posting here and if this site were to went down the "data" on it collected by someone who would have the server would be the total amount of content uploaded by ALL of us.

b) If you think about what I wrote on a) you will see that by collecting the server data you can not only get the data from the "producers" but you can get as well the uploaded data plus the data that was shared "in private".

c) I don't know hom many of you are in LEA and I would bet no-one is as most of you would be MM case followers providing your ideas all over the years on diferent forums but for those who deal with HUGE amount of Missing Children cases it's quite simple; the majority of the Child Porn that is produced and shared even on the "darkweb" - let's say - TOR servers - is produced NORMALY by family of the victims and relatives or close friends, also pedos that "trade" or "share" their own victims with other pedos to get to the children of the other pedos as well, and this is HORRIBLE because there are a huge amount of victims that will typicaly be abused for years and years and endure hours of abused as stated, like several pedos taking turns in abusing. But then again this is one thing that normaly doesn't happen on missing children cases. How many cases of children are know to be "abducted" by a stranger to produce child porn ? Think about this.

d) If MM were to be filmed/photos were to be taken and uploaded to the "darkweb" by now they would have been found. Simple. Same as for same type of content of the other "high profile" missing girls/boys. AND IF those photos were to be found LEA would right way INFORM the PARENTS and the POLICE IN CHARGE OF THE MISSING CHILDREN CASE. This is because those operations are runned by Europol/Interpol. Did PJ say anything about photos of MM found AFTER her abduction ?

e) IF there are content of MM suffering abuse that content is "exclusive" kept by the abuser, like someone that would rape and keep the video, like CB have done with the older lady and the little girl he did abuse. Were those "videos"/"photos" posted on the darkweb ? I don't think so.

f) NO WAY the parents of MM to NOT BE INFORMED if pedo/content were to be found with MM suffering abuse. Again I don't know A SINGLE CASE of a kidnapped HIGH PROFILE little girl like MM that was kidnapped to produce Child Porn.

g) YES, MM case do LOOK LIKE a kidnapp most likely by someone with sexual motivations like the very recent guy from Germany that get the little girl from her bedroom to abuse and later attempted to kill her on the river. This is the TYPICAL scenario - Kidnapper with sexual motivation will abuse the "stranger" child and kill her. Other options MIGHT be possible but are NOT VERY LIKELY.

h) At any rate IF MM was taken by CB I truly don't think that "content" were shared of the abuse. Now if we gather what we have we will know that pen drives/memory cards from CB were apreended. They were BURRIED so for me it does mean that CB wouldn't use them often otherwise he would have to dig up the hole with the dog's bones to get the content when he needed. If it's something that you use often you want to have it handy and 2 - Police din't have any trouble to get to the content so the memory cards WERE NOT ENCRYPTED as expected from someone STUPID like CB so ...

3 - About CB : - I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION (people from this forum/thread) and I DO UNDERSTAND how much all of you guys do want for this to be a "lead" that will end to the closure of the MM case. I DO UNDERSTAND AS WELL that i might be "fishy" or "strange" even more because I did just register some weeks ago but I'M NOT AN ANTI and I'M not a PRO (Mccann). I try to see things in a logic way, my logic, even if it's a strange logic.

For me :

a) Someone like the "old" "friends" of CB did turn him in for several reasons. Might be to get away from their own problems with law, might be that they are after the reward and it might be that they do BELIEVE as certain true that CB did kill MM.

b) That "someone" passes to LEA info about CB including the PT mobile phone number that CB was using when MM went missing. On the MM files available on the DVD that the PJ provided there are NO REVERSE MATCH of numbers to holders so German BKA would NEVER KNOW what number would be used by CB IN PORTUGAL as they didn't have access to the phone network providers and the data IS NOT on the PJ files/DVD. They could match IMEI to Number and Client but they would do that in GERMAN. They would need to request PJ to do the same in PT. Goes without saying the phone number was provided to BKA by "someone" I of course that I would assume that it's related to CB old friends.

c) BKA in particular HCW have his own motivations to go after CB or to solve MM case. Might be MANY reasons. It might be that he TRULLY BELIEVE that CB is guilty (the same way GA would "blindly" believe that the Mccanns did it) or it might even be "something else" like wanting to solve the MM case for some particular reason/interest or even not be MM related and wanted to get CB for other reasons/crimes or might be after other stuff possible hidden on CB places like drugs/money, or might even be several reasons. So HCW - IN MY OPPINION - have STATMENTS from older friends of CB and that is what starts all of this. Of course he did run the search of CB phone number provided by CB old friend on the data provided by PJ on the DVD and that match but WITHOUT someone saying it was CB number BKA couldn't "guess".

4 - I don't want to disturb ANYONE HERE but i do make "my bet" so that i can return here in the next year and see if i'm right or worng. I do BET (AGAINS THE MAJORITY OF ODDS NOW) that CB WILL NOT be charged with MM killing/death. Most of you will disagree. To be honest I'm NOT SURE that he is indeed "cleared" from the killing/abuse/MM as I'm NOT sure about the other suspects like Robert M. in the past, even Ray. H., etc ... this case is NOT a case that i did pay much attention so i'm no-one to judge or tell but I'm just using my capability of reasoning to check how likely all of this is to happen and I trully believe that after all of this CB IS NOT going to be charged (for MM case of course). JUST MY BET.

Justifications :

- He would have filmed the abuses.
- Those media would have been found by now.
- He did abuse several kids and even old woman and never attempt to dispose of evidences so it wouldn't make sense to kill MM to "hide" the rape. If he were that kind of guy he wouldn't go and expose himself for no gain at all and risk to get jailed.
- He would have done WAY MORE victims and there would be EVIDENCES for at least some of his victims. Take some other example like pedo/child killers that kill several kids and get busted by evidences found of one or 2 kids that they killed when in fact they did kill much more. The more you kill the more likely it is to get in Jail.
- CB have the PERFECT condition to abuse kids, he could lock the kids on the secret basements and even on the van and torture them for days or even more if he wanted to, there would be NO NEED to use a child just once and kill it, it would kept the child locked to multiple abuse as stated by himself - he would do it because he stated that he wanted to do it.
-IF CB did state on 2013 that WE WOULD LIKE to get a little girl to abuse for days and if the translation is not lost and if his words are exactly like that so i does suggest that if he wants to or wishes to it's because he (back in 2013) WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT YET ! Otherwise he would state "For once i did rape a little one for days". Something among those lines.

5 - I DON'T HAVE ANY LINK TO CB I did state this MANY TIMES and I DO HOPE that HE ROT IN JAIL !

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MY MOTIVATIONS
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I did JUST WISH that CB would NOT BE THE KILLER in SOME CASES not because I would like for other killer to abuse the child on the place of CB but TO LET OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO BE VIABLE.

- On BRAZIL 10 years ago or so a woman did capur several girls and kept them on a garage, she TORTURED the girls for almost one year, torture would include burning, raping (with objects) and even cutting parts of the body of those girls. This kind of people DO ENJOY the suffering of the child.
- By the same time more or less in INDIA some pedo guys did get hold to a 5 yo (or so) that was living near and did rape her and tortured her for 2 days without stopping changing between abusers, girl was "rescued" but did end up dying on hospital.

THIS IS MY FEAR - Someone that I DO CARE to end up like that. Idea is that for me to be here is not just "following" the news and what people think. While for most of you guys the OUTCOME is what matter for me the less the child did end up suffering the better and why is then the interest in CB so big for me ?

Let's say for example that by any reason (that doesn't matter for you guys to know) I don't wish for example that RENÉ HASSÉ in particular did suffer allot when dying. Now I can believe that he did just drown. I can be almost certain that he did drown. He have a case in portugal where students from college were near the water (drunk) and were simply pulled by a wave from the shore to the water and dyed. We have a famouse musician that recently comited suicide by jumping to the water and did never appear(the body). There are cases of children missing on the water and people see them drowning and can't save them and the body can't be recovered. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. For me It's NOT IMPOSSIBLE that something like that did happen to René. Might not be "likely" but it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Got it ? Like in the cat in the box that it's alive and dead up untill you open the box. If police now finds that RENÉ was killed by CB the option of "fast painless drowning" becames a dead by a sexual predator.

That is WHY i did react the way I did on my other posts. IT'S NOT that I DO WANT for CB to get away with crime it's just that on CASES THAT MATTER TO ME there are OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS apart from a SEXUAL PREDATOR and if CB were to be guilty on those then the death/suffering of the child would not be the same.
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BUT I did change my mind in relation to the MM case in one way; IF and only IF all other possibilities are exausted than IT DOES LOOK LIKE that on MM particular case the only VIABLE LEAD is a PEDO/SEXUAL predator so IF THAT is the case then yes, as fast as he is on jail the better. I DON'T CARE if CB is charged for example in exchange for Robert M. or "mister x" or whatever but i WOULD for example mind if a "possible drowning/possible crime" became a "no drowning/certain crime". Goes without saying that It's an example, it goes for all other missing children cases.

Now we wait and we will see. IF CB is indeed guilty the hope might be that someone else will provide more info on CB to frame him. If NOT the chance is that they will not have anything more than just words. BUT this is a verifiable thing. If on the next year BKA can't charge CB then i was correct. If they can or at least if they can try to get him to trial so I WAS WRONG and I ADMIT IT, so I'm lefting this post here for confirmation.

By now all looks like that HCW "evidence is strong", so odds are that he will at least attempt to get him to trial. If he can't I'm correct.

If there are things like photos of MM (abused) they will charge for sure. No way they will hide that. If there are I will loose as well.

If there aren't my "sleuthing" was "ok" - or in this case my "profiling".

I will NOT be able to attempt to help in solving the case(s) rhat I want if i start to make mistakes in my judgment, so this is a test to myself so that i can see later if i as right or wrong regarding CB ! Just that.

Thanks for reading my long post. I will update further If i find necessary to coment further on this matter.

Much wishful thinking here.
Doesn't change the fact that if CB didn't do whatever to MM, then someone else did. The outcome would still remain the same.

To wish and desire that CB is innocent doesn't change much.
MM disappeared from her bed. A beautiful little girl. Someone took her.

If that someone is CB, a thorough investigation is in order and certain things must be ruled out and/or substantiated.
If that someone is not CB, a thorough investigation is still in order and certain things must still be ruled out and/or substantiated.

 

[Anxala]

...Just popping in to wish everyone a safe and peaceful Christmas, and a hopeful, positive 2021. Thanks to all for all the interesting discussion and for the very welcome distraction it provided in a somewhat testing year. X

 

[SuperdadV8]

...Just popping in to wish everyone a safe and peaceful Christmas, and a hopeful, positive 2021. Thanks to all for all the interesting discussion and for the very welcome distraction it provided in a somewhat testing year. X

Thank you! Merry christmas to all of you!

 

[Victoria Chambers]

...Just popping in to wish everyone a safe and peaceful Christmas, and a hopeful, positive 2021. Thanks to all for all the interesting discussion and for the very welcome distraction it provided in a somewhat testing year. X

Aww Merry Christmas Anxala. All The Best X

 

[redplanet]

The alerts by Eddie in the apartment, which were so wrongly interpreted by the GA investigation, did not disappear, the alerts still exist, are still on video, and still await a correct interpretation in the CB-entered-apartment scenario IMO.

 

[redplanet]

The idea that the alerted scent in the apartment was imported from workplaces to the apartment by doctors can IMO be dispelled by the absence of alerts in the inspections of the other 3 apartments where also doctors had stayed. IMO it was nothing to do with any doctors, it was an intruder.

 

[redplanet]

Is there any possibility CB might ever have made sound recordings?

 

[redplanet]

At another property he allegedly was found hiding under a bed. What was his motive for doing that? Is it possible he has also hidden inside further properties?

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

When he was found hiding under the bed, I think that was with a former gf. I was under the impression that may have been to catch her in the act of dating another man (although she actually returned home alone).

 

[Okapi]

May your Christmas be merry and safe, everyone.

Here's to a 2021 back from the brink, and child murderers locked in the clink.

 

[Lyndaloo]

Merry Christmas to you all, let’s hope in 2021 Madeleine & her parents get the justice they deserve xx

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Ok, let's see :

Well, your post seems a little bit like having some problems with the suspect itself.
Could you please give it some more substance?
I would like to understand your opinion.

I don't have any PARTICULAR problem with this suspect by itself (over any other suspect on the MM case) AS LONG AS he didn't went to Wilhelmshof on 02/05/2015 (as i'm already almost 100% sure he didn't but i'm still lacking some confirmation). Even if he turns out to be a child-killer (or an "adult" killer for that matter) at the end of the day for me he (CB) will still be "just like another" HORRIBLE child-killer but yet we will still be just like the many, many ones that we read on newspapers and we see on TV every now and then. Nothing will justify his acts and nothing will change about the fact that he will still be a "monster" but it will not affect me in any particular way, or in other words, it will not affect me neither more neither less than the "others" that do kill other (random) children.

(...)The problem with most of your argument is you seem to have already decided what sequence of events must have taken place that night by interpreting your likeliest secnario of what "CB would have done to MM". Then you appear to try and discredit that singular theory and claim it as some sort of proof of that CB is therefore not responsible. You fail to account for any other scenarios where CB could be guilty of this girl's muder. Scenarios which might not be quite as horrific or structured as the one you seem to have in your mind.

You are 100 % correct on there. I was not thinking properly. As I stated several days ago I didn't follow the MM case properly. My logic was not rational. I was thinking that IF CB were the one who killed MM then CB could have killed many other children but the other way is also valid, JUST BECAUSE CB might not have killed MM it doesn't mean CB didn't killed other children instead, so i did take a "proper" look over all the other cases that he might be related and I did change my mind a little bit over CB. I now think that HE MIGHT be the one that killed MM but I STILL THINK that BKA will not have enough evidence to charge him and this is now worse because most likely they will know who did the crime and they will be unable to make him pay for it.

I will make another post stating why CB might be the one who killed/took MM after finishing this post.

Again i was driven by my feelings and wishes. I would wish for him to be "clean" from any child murderer but rationaly and thinking properly I can't clear him out on the MM case. As a matter of fact I use a "meter" for each suspect on cases that i'm working on. I can classify a suspect as "impossible" as "possible but very unlikely" as "possible but unlikely" or as "possible and likely" / "possible and very likely". I would place CB in the category of "possible and likely" for MM case NOW. YET I still think that what the BKA have is only STATMENTS of old CB "friends".

What if BKA had BKA dogs inspect every item found at all the CB locations they have searched?

No ... What they would need to do is to check for DNA traces on those objects and NOT inspect with dogs. Using DOGS wouldn't mean anything as if there were some sort of "traces" that would make the dogs bark those traces would be organic and would have left DNA traces that could be linked (or not) to MM.

Agreed. That is a good summary '79. An example: at Praia de Vales it was burglary, no assault at all. And ex-friends describe him as a frequent burglar. It is possible there was no sexual assault in the MM case,

I now think there was. IF CB was the one killing MM he might have entered the house to rob, find out about MM and then return the other day to get MM.

And so going down the route of no sexual assault, could it be then to sell on, whether for a childless couple etc, as he seemed to of gained lots of money, as mentioned by Mt when he turned up to see him in May? As previously mentioned he is guilty of lots of crimes, but not murder, that we are aware of anyway.
Off subject slightly, regarding say a crime is committed, and someone hears someone saying oh I know who did it, and says the name, and you hear them, so you then go the police about it, does the police have to then go and speak to them, or not?? I thought they had to follow up leads, ASAP, and then you get a statement of them, obviously you don't just then charge them, unless they confess

If he did sell MM to other pedoiphiles it would be way worse than killing her on the day he took her. At any rate It's a possibility as aparently he did "run away" from PDL and sell his Jaguar car as soon as MM went missing.

Much wishful thinking here.
Doesn't change the fact that if CB didn't do whatever to MM, then someone else did. The outcome would still remain the same.
To wish and desire that CB is innocent doesn't change much.
MM disappeared from her bed. A beautiful little girl. Someone took her.
If that someone is CB, a thorough investigation is in order and certain things must be ruled out and/or substantiated.
If that someone is not CB, a thorough investigation is still in order and certain things must still be ruled out and/or substantiated.

100 % CORRECT and I do agree with you in all of this. IF it was not CB who killed MM someone else did and if CB did sell MM to someone else most likely she was then abuse by many pedos so it would be way worse.
Goes without saying that EVEN IF CB is innocent on MM case he might not be on other cases and even if he is innocent on other cases he might not be on MM case. MY PERSONAL "WISHING" for CB to be "innocent" is stupid and not valid. Each case have to be judge by itself. Again WISHING for CB to be "innocent" on MM case just for him to be "innocent" as well on other cases is childish, stupid and not realistic. Facing the reality and properly investigating what did happen is the way to go. So yes, BY ALL MEANS,

"If that someone is CB, a thorough investigation is in order and certain things must be ruled out and/or substantiated.
If that someone is not CB, a thorough investigation is still in order and certain things must still be ruled out and/or substantiated."

Is there any possibility CB might ever have made sound recordings?

I don't think so and I don't think it would be relevant as well.

At any rate I DID SPENT THE LAST 2 DAYS investigating and reading not only other crimes but also considering other things. I'M WAY MORE "COMFORTABLE" about CB now but the more I read and the more I study the more I think as well that he might indeed be involved on MM case.

Next post is what I think about CB link to MM case.

 

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Ok, normaly I don't like to talk about the MM case by itself but I will make an exception here and I will post what I think ASSUMING CB does have a link to the MM case :

- CB was living in PDL. He had the chance to see MM several times so he could already set her as target. Also he could have meet her while attempting to rob the apartment where she was staying.

- CB was known to rob turist apartments, entering the Mccann apartment shouldn't be that hard.

- I did check the lock on the door of the apartment as it's on the PJ DVD files that were available to the press. The lock expert from the police say it's hard to "bypass" that lock. I disagree. The door was not locked, only latched. Lockpicking that door would take some time and most liklely would not be viable but "shimming" the latch would take just one sec. and it would allow the intruder to enter the apartment without any issue.

- We have a CB that is specialist in entering turist apartments to rob, so he can easly enter either by the door or even window without lefting traces. Now we can even speculate but there are several possibilities.

- CB might have saw MM on the street and feel attracted to her. He decided to target her for abuse. This is very possible as he was on PDL, he could have seen her and would have time to plan the abduction. It's NOT like going to a place for a first time and find someone that you decide to kidnap. Here he CB (or any other pedo on PDL) have plenty of time to get to see MM, decide that MM is the one he wants to target and do the crime. This would be like majority of cases of sexual motivated abduction by strangers. Most will know the victim at least at some degree. Now on this particular case CB might have entered the room to ROB instead.

- If CB did enter the room to ROB he might have "meet" MM there. This might have been done in 2 nights. First night she wakes up and cry, same as with the twin. This is "why" MM asked Kate why she didn't came when she cried. CB might have left and decide later during the day that he wanted MM instead.

- CB did "brag" to his friends that once he did enter an apartment with young girls and masturbate in front of them while they were sleeping. BKA wanted for PJ to provide some stuff for them to remake the DNA tests. There was some "traces of milk" or whatever (i can't recall but you guys will know about this) that aparently were from the ones who used the room prior to the MM family. MAYBE the BKA thinks that CB might have been there masturbating prior to MM disapear and they want to check traces of CB semen/DNA on those cloths.

- I still think that BKA only declared that they do know that CB did kill MM because of OLD CB "friend" statements. I'm almost sure that this is NOT RELATED to the child porn/abuse case in Germany. This would be taking it too far and it would have been physical evidences. I do think that old friend of CB did told police more stuff like for example that CB was on the room from where MM was taken more than once, or did provide details like on the night of the crime he did have to hide because MM father did enter the room, that sort of thing, I think that the BKA have "more" but only declarations that make them "believe" or be almost sure that CB is the one and yet they lack more details and so they are asking for help to see if someone can link CB further.

NOW :

- CB did sell the Jaguar car when MM went missing and run away from PDL.

- CB did told that he had an horrible job to do.

- This for me is something strange as if he didn't had anything to hide most likely he would have stayed on PDL a little bit more just to see what would happen as MM was missing. In Germany when "someone else" went missing he just keep on with his normal life and was staying on the same places and even stealing gas from parking lots BUT when he was starting to get questioned over other matters/crimes/issues he did return to PDL for one moment to sell his old Wesfalia auto-caravan that was "abandoned" in PDL since MM went missing. Then he did return to his normal life once again. I think that as he was aware that he was under investigation (his allotments were searched, etc) he might have "feared" that while investigating the other crimes BKA might "uncover" his past. CB actions match with an attempt to hide the link to MM. It's like CB was NOT AFRAID of the specific investigation (as he would know he would be innocent) but HE WOULD BE AFRAID that by searching him up the police would figure out a "link" to MM case.

AND ALSO :

It might have been an accident as well.

- CB enters apartment, MM cries, CB kills MM on the apartment, have to dispose of the body and can't rob the place.

Or :

- CB does go ther directly to get MM as he did saw her before and was planning in getting her.

Or :

- CB decided to rob the apartment but when he finds MM it turns sexual and decide to have her instead.

Many possibilities are VALID as HE WAS ALREADY AT PDL, He is an "Insider", not someone that goes somewhere and out of the blue decided to get a little girl. It's "planned" for sure even if the plan was to rob only. This is consistent with people that saw suspiciouse guy messing with gates, etc ... And he could have been following MM for some time as well. He does have plenty of time to do so and the chances for mistakes do lower as if he were to do something crazy like snatching the child on a strange place at the first go and remove that child from among a group or a public place, etc .... On PDL he could walk away without problem as it was his place and he would know the place and no-one would consider him a stranger. Also he could just be hidding checking the apartment. It's possible.

But then again :

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT :

1 - AS CB COULD HAVE DONE THIS ANY OTHER PDL PEDOPHILE COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. Take for example the recent case in Germany of that little girl that was taken by the abuser and then trown to the river. She was taken from her bedroom while sleeping as well and the abuser (living and working on that city) did the crime on a similar way. He did enter the room. IF IT WAS NOT CB a similar crime might had happened with another suspect but CB have another POINT, while most other pedos would be sexual driven CB might have the intention to ROB the room first so it would be another motivation as well.

2 - I STILL THINK THAT BKA only have what his old friends did state about him and most likely they are after the reward for cracking the case or looking to get something else in return like revenge or so, i don't know, so the facts might not be 100% correct.

3 - IF we consider point 2 let's say that CB did boast himself to pedos and his friends as a MM killer just to look the bad guy who did it. Same as masturbating in front of the girls on the apartment he was robbing, might be truth or not. Even if CB did told his friends that he did get MM it might not be true.

So let's see.

One way or another things will be checked and on the next year we will be sure if the guy is charged or not so all we have to do is wait now.

Of course that even if the guy is not charged he might still be the one who commited the crime, and that would be ... very BAD.

So let's hope that BKA do their work properly and find out the truth. If he is the one so le him be found and charged. On the contrary if BKA can CLEAR him out so I DO HOPE that they will tell us that as well so that people can continue to search for other suspects. If the BKA investigation is "inconclusive" (as most likely it will be) then people investigating/following MM case will have a big problem to handle as they might know who the suspect is but might never be able to charge him so people and even other police forces might discard other leads/suspects if they ever come to light.

To finalize and to sum it up :

- I STILL think (and still BET) that BKA will NOT be able to provide any "evidence" that under court will cause CB to get in jail for the MM crime and WHAT did change was my way to see CB and his possible crimes.

- From the other murderer/missing children cases that I did talk about over my last posts I RULED CB out on ALL with Exception of the 24 yo prostitute (that aparently CB was the main suspect and I don't have any relevant info on that case) and Carola Titze (I don't have any clue where CB was on the time of her abduction and I don't have further info on that specific case). All others I would consider "Impossible" or / "Possible but very unlikely". And YES, I did spend the entire Christmas eve and day reading allmystery.de forum and finding other clues and info about CB and other suspects that are of interest to me.

Happy sleuthing to all of you and let's hope that on 2021 BKA can show us without doubt who the MM killer is and why ! If not let's hope that at least they can rule him out so that people can move on and check other suspects/leads.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Goes without saying that the majority of what I did post on the CB abducted MM theory would also be VALID for any random pedophile/killer/abuser living/staying on PDL as well with some minor exceptions that make "CB" "suspiciose" like selling his jaguar car and returning to PDL way later to sell the westfalia, the fact that he was known to be robbing apartments and aparently his friends that did provide more info on his crimes...

EVEN if CB is cleared another pedo/killer might have done the same.

Yet, because the way BKA is "reacting" my intuition and rationality tells me that they only have verbal statments of CB old friends and "maybe" some other "evidences" obtained from those statements.

Also, I DIDN'T pay too much attention to MM case (it was never a case that did interested me allot) but I did remember something about the CAR that MM father did hire and that later on the dogs did detect smell of dead person if i'm not mistaken.

I do have a MM case DVD with the process files, etc that the police did provide back in 2008 or 2009 (i can't remember now) but I don't have time to re-check that as I'm currently working on other stuff that it's consuming all of my time (and all the rest of my mental sanity for that matter) but can someone please comfirm if there are prior records of people who did hire that same car prior to MM father ?

Something like CB or any other pedo to use the car to carry MM body and by some irony of destiny MM father to hire that same car later ? For example if BKA were to be told by old CB friends that he was driving that car .... you get the idea ...

Of course it might me nonsense if the MM father did already use that car since he was at PDL. I don't know and I don't have time to check. But I will leave it here just in case someone can remember/can check that out. Also this sort of "evidence" might be the "evidence" that BKA have now. Something indirect that links CB to evidences already collected by PJ on the process files.

 

[Trivento]

The idea that the alerted scent in the apartment was imported from workplaces to the apartment by doctors can IMO be dispelled by the absence of alerts in the inspections of the other 3 apartments where also doctors had stayed. IMO it was nothing to do with any doctors, it was an intruder.

I’ve also always wondered if the dogs were picking up something from the intruder , they alerted to KM’s clothes but is possible a deviant intruder could have been handling them.
I think I remember hearing once somewhere a theory that the dog car alerts might have been due to some meat from bags in boot from a shopping trip.

 

[Dlk79]

Ok, normaly I don't like to talk about the MM case by itself but I will make an exception here and I will post what I think ASSUMING CB does have a link to the MM case :

- CB was living in PDL. He had the chance to see MM several times so he could already set her as target. Also he could have meet her while attempting to rob the apartment where she was staying.

- CB was known to rob turist apartments, entering the Mccann apartment shouldn't be that hard.

- I did check the lock on the door of the apartment as it's on the PJ DVD files that were available to the press. The lock expert from the police say it's hard to "bypass" that lock. I disagree. The door was not locked, only latched. Lockpicking that door would take some time and most liklely would not be viable but "shimming" the latch would take just one sec. and it would allow the intruder to enter the apartment without any issue.

- We have a CB that is specialist in entering turist apartments to rob, so he can easly enter either by the door or even window without lefting traces. Now we can even speculate but there are several possibilities.

- CB might have saw MM on the street and feel attracted to her. He decided to target her for abuse. This is very possible as he was on PDL, he could have seen her and would have time to plan the abduction. It's NOT like going to a place for a first time and find someone that you decide to kidnap. Here he CB (or any other pedo on PDL) have plenty of time to get to see MM, decide that MM is the one he wants to target and do the crime. This would be like majority of cases of sexual motivated abduction by strangers. Most will know the victim at least at some degree. Now on this particular case CB might have entered the room to ROB instead.

- If CB did enter the room to ROB he might have "meet" MM there. This might have been done in 2 nights. First night she wakes up and cry, same as with the twin. This is "why" MM asked Kate why she didn't came when she cried. CB might have left and decide later during the day that he wanted MM instead.

- CB did "brag" to his friends that once he did enter an apartment with young girls and masturbate in front of them while they were sleeping. BKA wanted for PJ to provide some stuff for them to remake the DNA tests. There was some "traces of milk" or whatever (i can't recall but you guys will know about this) that aparently were from the ones who used the room prior to the MM family. MAYBE the BKA thinks that CB might have been there masturbating prior to MM disapear and they want to check traces of CB semen/DNA on those cloths.

- I still think that BKA only declared that they do know that CB did kill MM because of OLD CB "friend" statements. I'm almost sure that this is NOT RELATED to the child porn/abuse case in Germany. This would be taking it too far and it would have been physical evidences. I do think that old friend of CB did told police more stuff like for example that CB was on the room from where MM was taken more than once, or did provide details like on the night of the crime he did have to hide because MM father did enter the room, that sort of thing, I think that the BKA have "more" but only declarations that make them "believe" or be almost sure that CB is the one and yet they lack more details and so they are asking for help to see if someone can link CB further.

NOW :

- CB did sell the Jaguar car when MM went missing and run away from PDL.

- CB did told that he had an horrible job to do.

- This for me is something strange as if he didn't had anything to hide most likely he would have stayed on PDL a little bit more just to see what would happen as MM was missing. In Germany when "someone else" went missing he just keep on with his normal life and was staying on the same places and even stealing gas from parking lots BUT when he was starting to get questioned over other matters/crimes/issues he did return to PDL for one moment to sell his old Wesfalia auto-caravan that was "abandoned" in PDL since MM went missing. Then he did return to his normal life once again. I think that as he was aware that he was under investigation (his allotments were searched, etc) he might have "feared" that while investigating the other crimes BKA might "uncover" his past. CB actions match with an attempt to hide the link to MM. It's like CB was NOT AFRAID of the specific investigation (as he would know he would be innocent) but HE WOULD BE AFRAID that by searching him up the police would figure out a "link" to MM case.

AND ALSO :

It might have been an accident as well.

- CB enters apartment, MM cries, CB kills MM on the apartment, have to dispose of the body and can't rob the place.

Or :

- CB does go ther directly to get MM as he did saw her before and was planning in getting her.

Or :

- CB decided to rob the apartment but when he finds MM it turns sexual and decide to have her instead.

Many possibilities are VALID as HE WAS ALREADY AT PDL, He is an "Insider", not someone that goes somewhere and out of the blue decided to get a little girl. It's "planned" for sure even if the plan was to rob only. This is consistent with people that saw suspiciouse guy messing with gates, etc ... And he could have been following MM for some time as well. He does have plenty of time to do so and the chances for mistakes do lower as if he were to do something crazy like snatching the child on a strange place at the first go and remove that child from among a group or a public place, etc .... On PDL he could walk away without problem as it was his place and he would know the place and no-one would consider him a stranger. Also he could just be hidding checking the apartment. It's possible.

But then again :

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT :

1 - AS CB COULD HAVE DONE THIS ANY OTHER PDL PEDOPHILE COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. Take for example the recent case in Germany of that little girl that was taken by the abuser and then trown to the river. She was taken from her bedroom while sleeping as well and the abuser (living and working on that city) did the crime on a similar way. He did enter the room. IF IT WAS NOT CB a similar crime might had happened with another suspect but CB have another POINT, while most other pedos would be sexual driven CB might have the intention to ROB the room first so it would be another motivation as well.

2 - I STILL THINK THAT BKA only have what his old friends did state about him and most likely they are after the reward for cracking the case or looking to get something else in return like revenge or so, i don't know, so the facts might not be 100% correct.

3 - IF we consider point 2 let's say that CB did boast himself to pedos and his friends as a MM killer just to look the bad guy who did it. Same as masturbating in front of the girls on the apartment he was robbing, might be truth or not. Even if CB did told his friends that he did get MM it might not be true.

So let's see.

One way or another things will be checked and on the next year we will be sure if the guy is charged or not so all we have to do is wait now.

Of course that even if the guy is not charged he might still be the one who commited the crime, and that would be ... very BAD.

So let's hope that BKA do their work properly and find out the truth. If he is the one so le him be found and charged. On the contrary if BKA can CLEAR him out so I DO HOPE that they will tell us that as well so that people can continue to search for other suspects. If the BKA investigation is "inconclusive" (as most likely it will be) then people investigating/following MM case will have a big problem to handle as they might know who the suspect is but might never be able to charge him so people and even other police forces might discard other leads/suspects if they ever come to light.

To finalize and to sum it up :

- I STILL think (and still BET) that BKA will NOT be able to provide any "evidence" that under court will cause CB to get in jail for the MM crime and WHAT did change was my way to see CB and his possible crimes.

- From the other murderer/missing children cases that I did talk about over my last posts I RULED CB out on ALL with Exception of the 24 yo prostitute (that aparently CB was the main suspect and I don't have any relevant info on that case) and Carola Titze (I don't have any clue where CB was on the time of her abduction and I don't have further info on that specific case). All others I would consider "Impossible" or / "Possible but very unlikely". And YES, I did spend the entire Christmas eve and day reading allmystery.de forum and finding other clues and info about CB and other suspects that are of interest to me.

Happy sleuthing to all of you and let's hope that on 2021 BKA can show us without doubt who the MM killer is and why ! If not let's hope that at least they can rule him out so that people can move on and check other suspects/leads.

Ok, so the attitude shown in your latest posts is much more sensible. Still disagree with some of your theories, but at least I'm starting to understand what viewpoint you are coming from.

My posts can be quite long when I latch onto something I want to explain, but yours are like a book! Most of it, repeating the same argument. And it can come across like lecturing and a little arrogant when you make tenuous assertions as though they are facts. Doesn't sit well when there's dedicated people on this thread who have already debated those same contentious points at length and picked at all the details in the quest for the truth.

If you are interested in this case (still not sure if you are, you say not, but yet you clearly have spent a large amount of time researching the case/this thread and have a lot to say about it), can I suggest that going forward, you post some shorter summaries, of whatever singular point you are musing at the time? Think you'll get more postive engagement and debate that way.

 

[axelcruze]

Goes without saying that the majority of what I did post on the CB abducted MM theory would also be VALID for any random pedophile/killer/abuser living/staying on PDL as well with some minor exceptions that make "CB" "suspiciose" like selling his jaguar car and returning to PDL way later to sell the westfalia, the fact that he was known to be robbing apartments and aparently his friends that did provide more info on his crimes...

EVEN if CB is cleared another pedo/killer might have done the same.

Yet, because the way BKA is "reacting" my intuition and rationality tells me that they only have verbal statments of CB old friends and "maybe" some other "evidences" obtained from those statements.

Also, I DIDN'T pay too much attention to MM case (it was never a case that did interested me allot) but I did remember something about the CAR that MM father did hire and that later on the dogs did detect smell of dead person if i'm not mistaken.

I do have a MM case DVD with the process files, etc that the police did provide back in 2008 or 2009 (i can't remember now) but I don't have time to re-check that as I'm currently working on other stuff that it's consuming all of my time (and all the rest of my mental sanity for that matter) but can someone please comfirm if there are prior records of people who did hire that same car prior to MM father ?

Something like CB or any other pedo to use the car to carry MM body and by some irony of destiny MM father to hire that same car later ? For example if BKA were to be told by old CB friends that he was driving that car .... you get the idea ...

Of course it might me nonsense if the MM father did already use that car since he was at PDL. I don't know and I don't have time to check. But I will leave it here just in case someone can remember/can check that out. Also this sort of "evidence" might be the "evidence" that BKA have now. Something indirect that links CB to evidences already collected by PJ on the process files.

If we wanted to create a monster pedo to close this case, CB would seem perfect to the public. If we analyse some of the accusations, the case seems weak. Was it possible in 07 to change car owner in the same day? It takes a few weeks here in UK in 2020. Cb wasn't at home when his 'friends' burgled his house and seen a video and when his ex landlord cleared the house of wigs - both v convenient. Usb sticks found under dead dog again convenient. stories about him including sheeps, dogs, pensioners. Mobile phone number which has not yet been verified as his, and with

Ok, so the attitude shown in your latest posts is much more sensible. Still disagree with some of your theories, but at least I'm starting to understand what viewpoint you are coming from.

My posts can be quite long when I latch onto something I want to explain, but yours are like a book! Most of it, repeating the same argument. And it can come across like lecturing and a little arrogant when you make tenuous assertions as though they are facts. Doesn't sit well when there's dedicated people on this thread who have already debated those same contentious points at length and picked at all the details in the quest for the truth.

If you are interested in this case (still not sure if you are, you say not, but yet you clearly have spent a large amount of time researching the case/this thread and have a lot to say about it), can I suggest that going forward, you post some shorter summaries, of whatever singular point you are musing at the time? Think you'll get more postive engagement and debate that way.

Is it possible to change car ownership on the same day in Germany? That was 07, it's now 2020 and would take a few wks in UK for example. Also the Westfalia was retained until 2015 so seems strange to wait 8yrs to sell a suspect vehicle

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Ok, so the attitude shown in your latest posts is much more sensible. Still disagree with some of your theories, but at least I'm starting to understand what viewpoint you are coming from.

My posts can be quite long when I latch onto something I want to explain, but yours are like a book! Most of it, repeating the same argument. And it can come across like lecturing and a little arrogant when you make tenuous assertions as though they are facts. Doesn't sit well when there's dedicated people on this thread who have already debated those same contentious points at length and picked at all the details in the quest for the truth.

If you are interested in this case (still not sure if you are, you say not, but yet you clearly have spent a large amount of time researching the case/this thread and have a lot to say about it), can I suggest that going forward, you post some shorter summaries, of whatever singular point you are musing at the time? Think you'll get more postive engagement and debate that way.

I don't have particular interest in MM case, I assure you that, and I don't claim to have any knowledge on it as well, unlike you guys that did research it in deept, so my assumptions on it are the result of a fast re-reading over this as the last time i did "analyze" the MM was more than 10 years ago when I was actively working on another case that ended up to have a closure.

At any rate I will keep on following this case for now at least untill either CB is cleared or charged. Now I want to see at what degree I was correct about him or not.