Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Tekno]

Well we don’t know hairstyle at that time but eye shape, nose and mouth look similar

I also think it does. The identikit was supplied by witnesses who saw her leaving the venue with a man. Brückner would have been +- 18 years of age at the time. His hairstyle at a younger age resembles the identikit. IMO.

 

[C.greek]

IMO it was more odd, that there has been relief of the suspect reported, because the arrest was linked to the drug sentence....

Why Italy? IMO thats a missing link...

Hadn't we discussed Italy before? Something to do with drugs?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Hadn't we discussed Italy before? Something to do with drugs?

Buying drugs without money, straight outta Compton...eehm PRISON?

He was looking for shelter IMO! But by whom.....

He fled from something!!!

 

[snowpea666]

Yes it is good to treat components of a theory seperately. IMO the quantity of samples ever obtained at <90 mins PM and tested by dog, is too few to generate statistically significant results. Can a cadaver dog alert to a sample of scent obtained at 5 or 10 minutes PM? IMO probably yes, but I haven't foun d any data to prove it either way.

This study was done and it is interesting
Cadaver Scent Project

 

[snowpea666]

Is there any evidence to say a cadaver dog definitely CANNOT detect a cadaver scent in less time than 90 minutes post-mortem though? Has that been tested to any degree? Because we know that the actual cadaver scent starts to develop after only a few minutes, and that other animals CAN detect it at that point. So the question is whether a good dog also could.

I do treat the theories seperately. When I first suggested a death in the apartment at the hands of CB, I wasn't even considering the dog alerts as part of the reasoning. Personally, all I am wondering is if that scenario COULD also explain the alerts. I have no strong confidence that it could, but at the same time, can it be ruled out altogether based on what we know? Equally though, yes, the alerts may be something entirely unrelated to MM's death altogether.

Worth a look I think Cadaver Scent Project

 

[redplanet]

This study was done and it is interesting
Cadaver Scent Project

Interesting.
52 samples.
Longest PM interval tested = 4320 minutes.
Shortest PM interval tested = 70 minutes.
Shortest PM interval alerted = 85 minutes.
IMO this study is interesting but gives no statistically significant results for very short PM intervals, and it would be not valid to try to extrapolate the results to include PM intervals of say 5 or 15 minutes, which is presumably what might be relevant in the current case.

 

[peanutJelly]

Buying drugs without money, straight outta Compton...eehm PRISON?

He was looking for shelter IMO! But by whom.....

He fled from something!!!

This is more worth exploring than the dog theories. IMO
The Italy connection is one that has always felt incongruous to me with his previous travels. He was clearly running away, but why Italy? Who was he running to that he thought could offer shelter/protection?

 

[redplanet]

I would rather ask what 'motivated' OG to take a team of victim recovery dogs to that area of PDL in 2014?
Surely they didn't just go on a whim.

If OG planned to round up a flock of stray sheep in PdL they would have taken sheep-dogs.

 

[tedtink]

IMO it was more odd, that there has been relief of the suspect reported, because the arrest was linked to the drug sentence....

Why Italy? IMO thats a missing link...

Italy 2018
"Brueckner had first turned up there on September 19 asking for new ID documents."
"We agreed a time with the consulate and set our trap on September 28, said Lt Papa"
Madeleine McCann suspect 'walked into police trap dirty and unshaven with bible'

Coincidence?..... This is the same year HCW said they found out MM was dead.

Where was CB staying for those 11 days ? YMCA?

 

[tedtink]

If OG planned to round up a flock of stray sheep in PdL they would have taken sheep-dogs.

We have a comedy entertainment interval tonight!
Neapolitan please

 

[altojack]

I would rather ask what 'motivated' OG to take a team of victim recovery dogs to that area of PDL in 2014?
Surely they didn't just go on a whim.

I didn't realise the dogs Eddie and Keela were victim recovery dogs. Do you mean missing people by this?
I was sure I'd read on their webpage that they were actual cadaver dogs. Trained to find blood and remains.

They've done quite a lot of searches in USA and had success. I'll try to find their site.

 

[altojack]

I found this quite interesting.

Martin Grime - IMDb

 

[tedtink]

I didn't realise the dogs Eddie and Keela were victim recovery dogs. Do you mean missing people by this?
I was sure I'd read on their webpage that they were actual cadaver dogs. Trained to find blood and remains.

They've done quite a lot of searches in USA and had success. I'll try to find their site.

My post referred to when OG sent dogs to PDL in 2014 - Not Eddie and Keela in 2007

Madeleine McCann police dig scrubland near holiday apartment in Praia da Luz
The four dogs have helped police search for April Jones and Madeleine McCann

 

[Victoria Chambers]

You have alleged that GA was sneaking around the apartments "with a dead dog in his vehicle"
Are you sure that you actually read your source correctly?

The truth of the lie. Chapter 7.

 

[redplanet]

The truth of the lie. Chapter 7.

IMO you have misunderstood the text. It is completely clear IMO that the dog was not in the car when he went to PdL the next morning. Please read the words in your post "when I get back, I discuss it ..." and examine it with chronological care from there.

 

[misty48]

Here's some information I hadn't seen before, which adds weight to the theory Madeleine's abduction was not a one-man crime. The original Bild article about AB is behind a paywall so I can't check the accuracy.

Maddie case: Investigators follow new trail - Christian B. is not extradited
*snipped*
Missing Maddie: Investigators had been tracking Christian B. for years
Update of June 5, 6:10 p.m .: Christian B., the suspect in the Maddie McCann case , has been under investigation for several years. The police are said to have searched the apartment of a former roommate, Alexander B., in 2018.

Two years ago, Alexander B., with whom Christian B. lived after Maddie's disappearance, was first questioned about a capital crime by the suspect


The flatmate said he knew nothing of Christian B.'s crimes , reports Bild . He only told him about a diesel theft in Portugal. The suspect had boasted of his actions before (update from 3:00 p.m.).

A year later, the investigators then spoke to the acquaintance directly about Maddie . He was informed that he would be investigated if Christian B. was kidnapped and murdered.
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I also (wrongly) believed CB & AB only became acquainted when the Jag was re-registered but it seems they had known each other for several months. (Sorry if the following article has been posted here previously way back in June)
Fall Madeleine McCann: Das sagt der Mitbewohner von Christian B. über den Maddie-Verdächtigen

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

The dead dog was not in the car when GA went to PdL the next morning, but had been in the car to be taken to the bin in the previous 24 hours. According to the book quote above. So, there presumably would have been dead dog scent.

 

[redplanet]

Here's some information I hadn't seen before, which adds weight to the theory Madeleine's abduction was not a one-man crime. The original Bild article about AB is behind a paywall so I can't check the accuracy.

Maddie case: Investigators follow new trail - Christian B. is not extradited
*snipped*
Missing Maddie: Investigators had been tracking Christian B. for years
Update of June 5, 6:10 p.m .: Christian B., the suspect in the Maddie McCann case , has been under investigation for several years. The police are said to have searched the apartment of a former roommate, Alexander B., in 2018.

Two years ago, Alexander B., with whom Christian B. lived after Maddie's disappearance, was first questioned about a capital crime by the suspect


The flatmate said he knew nothing of Christian B.'s crimes , reports Bild . He only told him about a diesel theft in Portugal. The suspect had boasted of his actions before (update from 3:00 p.m.).

A year later, the investigators then spoke to the acquaintance directly about Maddie . He was informed that he would be investigated if Christian B. was kidnapped and murdered.
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I also (wrongly) believed CB & AB only became acquainted when the Jag was re-registered but it seems they had known each other for several months. (Sorry if the following article has been posted here previously way back in June)
Fall Madeleine McCann: Das sagt der Mitbewohner von Christian B. über den Maddie-Verdächtigen

TY. Interesting. That english language page however does contain some confusing mistranslations/typos.
Example
"He was informed that he would be investigated if Christian B. was kidnapped and murdered."
should be
"He was told that the case of her kidnapping and murder against Christian B. was being investigated"
See this german page
Maddie McCann: Hatte Christian B. einen Komplizen? Neue Details enthüllt | Welt

 

[redplanet]

The dead dog was not in the car when GA went to PdL the next morning, but had been in the car to be taken to the bin in the previous 24 hours. According to the book quote above. So, there presumably would have been dead dog scent.

Eddie did not alert to dead dog scent.

 

[misty48]

TY. Interesting. That english language page however does contain some confusing mistranslations/typos.
Example
"He was informed that he would be investigated if Christian B. was kidnapped and murdered."
should be
"He was told that the case of her kidnapping and murder against Christian B. was being investigated"
See this german page
Maddie McCann: Hatte Christian B. einen Komplizen? Neue Details enthüllt | Welt

That makes more sense. "A year later the investigators spoke to the acquaintance directly on Maddie". We all need to be polyglots.