Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

[SuperdadV8]

We've touched on this before, you don't need be in possession of a vehicle to transfer the ownership to someone else, it's the details you fill in on the log book, and I don't think that could be done online in 2007, you would have to post it to the relevant place, it's the DVLA in the uk
And I do believe it was done on purpose
The log book could of been filled in anytime, days before, but you would have to put the date on of when you want the change of ownership to happen

That's right. AFAIK, AB registered the car on his name. So he didn't need more than the former vehicle registration papers to do that in 2007. These papers must have been in germany already to do that. So i would assume, the car had been either. No CB was needed to do that.

To me that could point out to a planned and permament move back to germany. Like moving the rest of his got into his home country, before may the 3rd 2007. Who knows....

 

[SuperdadV8]

That's a very good documentary series. I noticed a lot of parallels with this case and the sleuthing we've had here.

Thanks for that Dlk79! I was a little bit afraid of being the only one in here, that immediately thought about the case and us in here.

 

[Dlk79]

Just a "horrible" thought, about what personality we are possibly talking about....?

Both sound like typical narcissism to me.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Boths sound like typical narcissism to me.

That's my opinion too. One thing in the Malaga video caught my attention. He apologized for a sh@@y "sound system" in the campervan, pointed out that it wasn't his vehicle so he isn't responsible for that, although he seemed to be the regular user of it at last.

Even if he was ashamed of that fact, although i would assume, that the hitchhikers didn't care, because they had been focused on other things like reaching germany for ten bucks per day.

Typical "show-off" behavior, like many, almost every narcassistic person shows IMO.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

It would take the mind of a murderer to understand a murderer
It would take a mind of a paedophile to understand a paedophile, so I would think

Sometimes only a "monster" can take down another "monster".

 

[Chiatos]

Your'e welcome Chiatos, no problem!

Of course, many things are interpretable. But in germany the process of registering a vehicle is usually called "Die Zulassung". So if you buy a new or used car, you have to go to the authorities to be able to use it in traffic. You hand over proof of insurance, get plates and papers.

This process is "Die Zulassung", what can be translated as "The Permission" to drive it. Otherwise BKA would more likely used the term, "Das Fahrzeug war am Tag nach der Tat in Augsburg angemeldet.".

The used words point out to the process of registration the day after, but not have been already registered. German is kind of tricky with that. Even to us germans sometimes!

I'm back
I'm pretty eigenwijs as we say in Dutch. And I know I'm not a German native speaker so please forgive me for my stubbornness!

BKA: the last known Zulassung after May 3rd was done in Augsburg.
They are emphasizing the location and not establishing an exact date. Only that it was done some time after the day of the disappearance.

Perhaps Janosch can find the exact date. Could be any date after May 3rd.

Not that it makes much difference though......

 

[SuperdadV8]

I'm back
I'm pretty eigenwijs as we say in Dutch. And I know I'm not a German native speaker so please forgive me for my stubbornness!

BKA: the last known Zulassung after May 3rd was done in Augsburg.
They are emphasizing the location and not establishing an exact date. Only that it was done some time after the day of the disappearance.

Perhaps Janosch can find the exact date. Could be any date after May 3rd.

Not that it makes much difference though......

Nothing that has to be forgiven!

I would like to see the difference Chiatos. IF the JAG has been brought to Germany before may the 3rd, it should have been some kind of time before, because it's unlikely, that we are talking about hours or days. Hard to imagine, that CB drove the JAG to Augsburg on may the 2nd and had been in PDL again on the day after.

So something must have happened, around may the 3rd (+/-), that made AB to register a car that he doesn't seemed to own, on his name. It hasn't been reported, that he sold the JAG to AB.

Many theories are possible. Maybe a CB asking him to do that on his name, maybe because he was broke or something like that, or some kind of well planned withdrawal. Removing the JAG to Augsburg, going back to PDL, leaving Portugal for some time, after may the 3rd, removing the T3 from there. It has been reported that he lived in the van after the prison release, so maybe there hasn't been much more stuff that could be moved to germany.

It has been reported, that a witness stated, she had been told that she won't see him for a while. Other witnesses told that he turned up again much later.

If the reported statements are true, it could have been a planned "operation" IMO. The other option could be, that someone else, a second person, drove the JAG to germany close before the dissapearence maybe. That should have been somebody that has been close to him and is not known yet. Somebody that is even reading in here maybe.

 

[misty48]

Taken from BKA appeal..
"At the time in question, the suspect used a dark coloured Jaguar XJR 6. We do not hold any information on the specific registration of the vehicle before the offence was committed."
Is it possible this was a stolen vehicle, hence the Portuguese registration number being unknown?

What happened to the black Jag he was seen driving in 2005 by his ex-girlfriend & the neighbour's daughter in Luz?
Kate and Gerry McCann jogged near suspect's home daily after Maddie went missing

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

My "personal" "sleuthing" on CB is now completed.

CB is no longer a person of interest to me.

Furthermore I'm returning to the starting point when i was thinking that CB will NOT be charged with the MM case and that IF CB ends up charged with "something" it will be one or more of the other 3 cases in "Algarve - Portugal" that BKA is actively investigating him for with the cooperation of Portuguese PJ.

While PJ is cooperating on those with BKA they are aparently not exactly "on the same path" regarding MM case.

This ended up been a "goose chase" for me and I did end up wasting huge amount of time on CB already.

I will try to avoid long comments from now on in this thread but i will comment if anything new is presented by HCW and/or if i feel the need to comment regarding any aditional subject.

Happy sleuthing.

 

[Dlk79]

My "personal" "sleuthing" on CB is now completed.

CB is no longer a person of interest to me.

Furthermore I'm returning to the starting point when i was thinking that CB will NOT be charged with the MM case and that IF CB ends up charged with "something" it will be one or more of the other 3 cases in "Algarve - Portugal" that BKA is actively investigating him for with the cooperation of Portuguese PJ.

While PJ is cooperating on those with BKA they are aparently not exactly "on the same path" regarding MM case.

This ended up been a "goose chase" for me and I did end up wasting huge amount of time on CB already.

I will try to avoid long comments from now on in this thread but i will comment if anything new is presented by HCW and/or if i feel the need to comment regarding any aditional subject.

Happy sleuthing.

Fantastic! No need for you to comment here any more at all since, by your own admission, you have no interest in this particular case, is there?

 

[SuperdadV8]

As long as prosecuters aren't reporters, i'm hopeful that there won't be too many presentations, that will be commented.

 

[Lilly b]

Taken from BKA appeal..
"At the time in question, the suspect used a dark coloured Jaguar XJR 6. We do not hold any information on the specific registration of the vehicle before the offence was committed."
Is it possible this was a stolen vehicle, hence the Portuguese registration number being unknown?

What happened to the black Jag he was seen driving in 2005 by his ex-girlfriend & the neighbour's daughter in Luz?
Kate and Gerry McCann jogged near suspect's home daily after Maddie went missing

I always thought it was black or dark blue originally, not sure why, think it was in the newspapers, so could he have had use of 2? I'm also sure I linked or put something on to say he CB turned up in Germany with the jaguar being towed a few days after mm went missing, I'm will try and find it

 

[Lilly b]

How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

And it says the jag was registered to someone else the day after mm disappeared, so then that Could be Peter

And this too, sure I've put this on before
He said the detectives were 'fixated' on the Jaguar, which Brueckner had hitched up to his camper van and driven to north Germany. Mr Bischof also told the Mail that Brueckner returned from Portugal 'with expensive things'.

 

[SuperdadV8]

How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

And it says the jag was registered to someone else the day after mm disappeared, so then that Could be Peter

And this too, sure I've put this on before
He said the detectives were 'fixated' on the Jaguar, which Brueckner had hitched up to his camper van and driven to north Germany. Mr Bischof also told the Mail that Brueckner returned from Portugal 'with expensive things'.

That is interesting. Shortly before MM's disappearance he seemed to be a very relaxed guy, as seen in the hitchikers video.

Shortly after her disappearance with a massive media coverage, he seemed to be anxious and nervous?

 

[Trivento]

Although, it should be noted there have been several contradictory statements about the Jag from this same newspaper.

The first is this statement in which it is claimed the Jag was already in Germany when MM went missing.

Mr Wolters played down the significance of the Jaguar despite Scotland Yard appealing for information about it.

He said the car was in Germany when Madeleine went missing and information about it was released only to jog memories. 'The vehicles are not of direct interest for the Madeleine case,' he said.
Madeleine McCann's parents told by German prosecutors that she is dead

And, they also state in some articles that CB handed the Jag over to AB while CB was in prison. But CB wasn't ever in prison in 2007, he was released in December 2006.

'At some point I reached the conclusion that he was involved with drugs,' he added, and was in prison in Portugal for two or three months, during which time he handed over the Jaguar car to him.

'When he came out, he was back here quickly, I didn't know more at the time,' he says. Later, he gave the car over to an acquaintance in Munich. 'He always made surprisingly quick decisions,' he added.
Christian Brueckner is linked to FOURTH unsolved case

It is interesting to see on timeline of the Mail article that it says CB sold his campervan shortly after disappearance of IG in 2015 , and relocated to Portugal .
Seems to be distancing himself from a vehicle after an event and moving from one country to another , similar to MM case .
Is also so curious I think how IG went missing on almost exactly same calendar day of year as MM.
Too many coincidences perhaps...?

 

[Chiatos]

How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

And it says the jag was registered to someone else the day after mm disappeared, so then that Could be Peter

And this too, sure I've put this on before
He said the detectives were 'fixated' on the Jaguar, which Brueckner had hitched up to his camper van and driven to north Germany. Mr Bischof also told the Mail that Brueckner returned from Portugal 'with expensive things'.

I suspect that something has gone lost in translation by the media.
Luckily we have access to the original source concerning the Jag.
The original source is BKA itself:
BKA - Fahndung nach Personen - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN am 03.05.2007 in Praia da Luz / Portugal – Zeugen gesucht

It says:
die letzte bekannte Zulassung nach dem Tattag war von der Stadt Augsburg
BKA has translated this correctly in their own English version (same link): The last known registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration.
It does not say: The last known registration the day after the offence was (in) a city of Augsburg (registration).

What BKA is saying is that the Zulassung was done in Augsburg. It could have been done on any day after the disappearance.
Could have been on May 4th, or 5th, or even on the 10th, whatever.
I'm sure that BKA knows on what date the Zulassung has taken place. That's important.

Up to now newspapers have mentioned Bernhard P. and son Flavio as the buyers of CB's van.
Now all of the sudden they mention a certain Peter W.? With no explanation?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

It is interesting to see on timeline of the Mail article that it says CB sold his campervan shortly after disappearance of IG in 2015 , and relocated to Portugal .
Seems to be distancing himself from a vehicle after an event and moving from one country to another , similar to MM case .
Is also so curious I think how IG went missing on almost exactly same calendar day of year as MM.
Too many coincidences perhaps...?

I will be comment on this as it does mention Inga Gehricke.

First you should re-check your facts. CB did sell the Westfalia campervan that was in ALGARVE shortly after our little Inga went missing. CB did return shortly to PT-ALVARVE to SELL the campervan that was there and was a item of interest on the MM investigation. CB then was seen on his habitual places on Germany like on the allotments near Hanover, etc.

It was NOT simmilar to MM case at all, what it does look like to me is that IF he was indeed the one killing MM then he did "fear" that the investigation over little Inga would bring back again "searches" on him, so he decided to get rid of a caravan that was in Algarve.

Now, he did return to Germany again; when he was mentioned on the news as a prime suspect on MM case recently a woman that owns the allotment where CB did park his caravan by the time little Inga went missing did ask BKA and talked to the press that she wanted for the place to be searched as she was afraid that she was living on a place where little Inga could have been burried. This is because CB was seen there on the days after little Inga went missing. He didn't "flee" to Portugal like he did on MM case.

Regarding the day little Inga went missing, it was a Saturday, while MM went missing during the week - even if the Mccanns were on vacations.

CB is currently under investigation for 4 crimes only, meaning all links to other missing children are no longer under investigation by BKA.

With all of the "pointers" that i did post already and when someone does look at HCW actitute toward CB, wanting for people to came to BKA and tell if they were victims of CB, like on the original BKA anouncment posted, don't you guys think that IF there were a slight possibility that CB were to be "linked" to Inga, HCW wouldn't have already gone to the news and asked for people on Wilhelmshof to "remember" if they seen something like CB nearby ? Wouldn't there be requests for people even near Hanover to try to remember if they did saw any car, etc that were to be in the possession of CB ?

Same way BKA did for a child in PT they would have done as well for Inga IF there were to be the slightest possibility for CB to be linked to this crime as well.

BKA does know very well where CB was when little Inga did went missing, same as they know very well that searchig the Hanover allotments wouldn't bring anything of relevance. They did search and they did found nothing that would concearn Inga, same as they did search back on 2016 and found nothing as well.

The "problem" with your line of thinking is that "when someone only have an hammer all of the problems do look like nails".

You guys can think whatever you want BUT if CB is going to be charged it will be for the 3 crimes in Algarve and most likely MM case.

Don't expect him to be charged for crimes that he is not even been investigated for.

 

[Trivento]

I will be comment on this as it does mention Inga Gehricke.

First you should re-check your facts. CB did sell the Westfalia campervan that was in ALGARVE shortly after our little Inga went missing. CB did return shortly to PT-ALVARVE to SELL the campervan that was there and was a item of interest on the MM investigation. CB then was seen on his habitual places on Germany like on the allotments near Hanover, etc.

It was NOT simmilar to MM case at all, what it does look like to me is that IF he was indeed the one killing MM then he did "fear" that the investigation over little Inga would bring back again "searches" on him, so he decided to get rid of a caravan that was in Algarve.

Now, he did return to Germany again; when he was mentioned on the news as a prime suspect on MM case recently a woman that owns the allotment where CB did park his caravan by the time little Inga went missing did ask BKA and talked to the press that she wanted for the place to be searched as she was afraid that she was living on a place where little Inga could have been burried. This is because CB was seen there on the days after little Inga went missing. He didn't "flee" to Portugal like he did on MM case.

Regarding the day little Inga went missing, it was a Saturday, while MM went missing during the week - even if the Mccanns were on vacations.

CB is currently under investigation for 4 crimes only, meaning all links to other missing children are no longer under investigation by BKA.

With all of the "pointers" that i did post already and when someone does look at HCW actitute toward CB, wanting for people to came to BKA and tell if they were victims of CB, like on the original BKA anouncment posted, don't you guys think that IF there were a slight possibility that CB were to be "linked" to Inga, HCW wouldn't have already gone to the news and asked for people on Wilhelmshof to "remember" if they seen something like CB nearby ? Wouldn't there be requests for people even near Hanover to try to remember if they did saw any car, etc that were to be in the possession of CB ?

Same way BKA did for a child in PT they would have done as well for Inga IF there were to be the slightest possibility for CB to be linked to this crime as well.

BKA does know very well where CB was when little Inga did went missing, same as they know very well that searchig the Hanover allotments wouldn't bring anything of relevance. They did search and they did found nothing that would concearn Inga, same as they did search back on 2016 and found nothing as well.

The "problem" with your line of thinking is that "when someone only have an hammer all of the problems do look like nails".

You guys can think whatever you want BUT if CB is going to be charged it will be for the 3 crimes in Algarve and most likely MM case.

Don't expect him to be charged for crimes that he is not even been investigated for.

Thanks for passing on your opinions.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Thanks for passing on your opinions.

Thanks for reading as well.

 

[Trivento]

Thanks for reading as well.

Regarding the dates of the disappearances , I was highlighting the similarity of 2nd May to 3rd May...not the day of week though.