Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

[axelcruze]

Meurtre du petit Jonathan : Martin Ney, un redoutable prédateur

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Maybe a different thread could be started for these theories.

HCW has never indicated any of this stuff is relevant to the case and frankly it is a bit disturbing to have to wade through pages of it.

Fully agree as well. Also people should familiarize themselfs with the Europol "Global Victim Identification" database. IF HCW were to have MM abuse content he would have the obligation to report to Europol so that the mentioned abuse content could be added to ICSE database. I told this many times now.

Details of the Global Alliance Against Child Sexual Abuse Online can be found here :

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/s...s-2014/ga_report_2014_-_united_kingdom_en.pdf

(for the ones interested)

But its up to you guys to believe in what you want.

Goes without saying it would be very bad if MM abuse content were to exist and the MM parentes were not informed righ away. Same if the content were to be keept in secret and not added to ICSE ...

 

[Trivento]

Fully agree as well. Also people should familiarize themselfs with the Europol "Global Victim Identification" database. IF HCW were to have MM abuse content he would have the obligation to report to Europol so that the mentioned abuse content could be added to ICSE database. I told this many times now.

Details of the Global Alliance Against Child Sexual Abuse Online can be found here :

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/s...s-2014/ga_report_2014_-_united_kingdom_en.pdf

(for the ones interested)

But its up to you guys to believe in what you want.

Goes without saying it would be very bad if MM abuse content were to exist and the MM parentes were not informed righ away. Same if the content were to be keept in secret and not added to ICSE ...

Perhaps there are certain exceptional cases / circumstances where the open sharing of material ( eg. pics / videos ) between police / law agencies , you are talking about , does not happen , or if it does , it is done on a strictly private / limited basis...and the MM case is such a situation....

 

[tedtink]

DBM

 

[Deleted member 268165]

How and when did CB go to Germany with the Jaguar after Madeleine's crime?
Thanks.

 

[C.greek]

I know I am almost 3 days late in quoting this but this shows that HCW never suggested that they have no evidence CB killed MM as was reported in British tabloids.

Fall Maddie: Ermittler halten 44-Jährigen weiter für tatverdächtig

 

[tedtink]

How and when did CB go to Germany with the Jaguar after Madeleine's crime?
Thanks.

Not direct quotes from AB, but...........

'Mr Bischof also said he agreed to take on the registration of Brueckner's Jaguar, which is at the centre of the police inquiry, as a 'favour'.
Brueckner arrived at his house in Augsburg, near Munich, shortly after the three-year-old vanished.
He said the detectives were 'fixated' on the Jaguar, which Brueckner had hitched up to his *camper van and driven to north Germany'


How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Not direct quotes from AB, but...........

'Mr Bischof also said he agreed to take on the registration of Brueckner's Jaguar, which is at the centre of the police inquiry, as a 'favour'.
Brueckner arrived at his house in Augsburg, near Munich, shortly after the three-year-old vanished.
He said the detectives were 'fixated' on the Jaguar, which Brueckner had hitched up to his *camper van and driven to north Germany'


How Madeleine suspect slept in my attic | Daily Mail Online

Many thanks.

 

[redplanet]

How and when did CB go to Germany with the Jaguar after Madeleine's crime?
Thanks.

Did the Jag have a towing hitch?

 

[Dlk79]

Many thanks.

Although, it should be noted there have been several contradictory statements about the Jag from this same newspaper.

The first is this statement in which it is claimed the Jag was already in Germany when MM went missing.

Mr Wolters played down the significance of the Jaguar despite Scotland Yard appealing for information about it.

He said the car was in Germany when Madeleine went missing and information about it was released only to jog memories. 'The vehicles are not of direct interest for the Madeleine case,' he said.
Madeleine McCann's parents told by German prosecutors that she is dead

And, they also state in some articles that CB handed the Jag over to AB while CB was in prison. But CB wasn't ever in prison in 2007, he was released in December 2006.

'At some point I reached the conclusion that he was involved with drugs,' he added, and was in prison in Portugal for two or three months, during which time he handed over the Jaguar car to him.

'When he came out, he was back here quickly, I didn't know more at the time,' he says. Later, he gave the car over to an acquaintance in Munich. 'He always made surprisingly quick decisions,' he added.
Christian Brueckner is linked to FOURTH unsolved case

 

[tedtink]

Did the Jag have a towing hitch?

He could have used a towing dolly or trailer.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I doubt these reports about towing a second vehicle to germany. According to the malaga pic, the T3 has a trailer hitch (of course!).

Even if not impossible, towing a heavy Jag with or without using a trailer over thousands of miles with that 75 horsepower T3 seems not practicable to me. Some T3 are allowed to tow up to 2000/2500 kilos by using a trailer. The old Jag including a trailer could reach that limitation very likely. Without a trailer a T3 is allowed to tow around 700 kilos.

According to the BKA pics, the Jag has no trailer hitch so the Jag couldn't tow the T3.

So if the jag still had been in Portugal and both vehicles left the country togehter, a second driver would have been necessary IMO.

 

[Chiatos]

@Janosch @SuperdadV8 ;
Re-reading BKA, I'm starting to believe that the Jaguar was not necessarily reregistered on the 4th of May. Could also have been later than that date.

It says: Kennzeichen: Die letzte bekannte Zulassung nach dem Tattag war bei der Stadt Augsburg.
In English: the last known registration after the day of the offence was in Augsburg.
It does not say: the last known registration (took place) on the day after the offence ...

BKA also says that it does not know the Jaguar's registration prior to the day on which MM disappeared.
So they don't/didn't know where it was registered and therefore who at that time was the rightful owner?

 

[SuperdadV8]

@Janosch @SuperdadV8 ;
Re-reading BKA, I'm starting to believe that the Jaguar was not necessarily reregistered on the 4th of May. Could also have been later than that date.

It says: Kennzeichen: Die letzte bekannte Zulassung nach dem Tattag war bei der Stadt Augsburg.
In English: the last known registration after the day of the offence was in Augsburg.
It does not say: the last known registration (took place) on the day after the offence ...

BKA also says that it does not know the Jaguar's registration prior to the day on which MM disappeared.
So they don't/didn't know where it was registered and therefore who at that time was the rightful owner?

In my opinion, the used terms point out to a registration or re-registration on the day after the disappearance. Otherwise the BKA would have used an other ductus, like "Zur Tatzeit war das Fahrzeug in Augsburg zugelassen" what would mean, at the time of the disappearance the vehicle was registered in Augsburg.

If you know what i mean. So if you asked me, the re-registration of the JAG the day after the disappearance to AB, could have been some kind of a try to cover tracks. IMO the Jag must have been in Germany at the time, because a registration requires to hand over the former "papers" of the vehicle.

So if he brought one of his cars to germany before the disappearance and left shortly after with the T3, it looks like some kind of planned behavior to me.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I'm just watching the very interesting true crime Netflix broadcast called "Don't @@@@ with cats". It's about a convicted psychotic and narcassistic murderer called Luka M..

Although i'm not a shrink, i would like to see some slight similarities according to the things we seem to know so far.

- gathering attention (Malaga trip)
- pretenting to be important (running around in suits, driving Jags whilst sleeping in vans)
- killing animals, whilst into keeping pets (Neuwegersleben?)
- pretending to be the victim (DM rape case)
- challenging the "investigators" (prove it, holy water statement)
- boasting with horrible plans online (paedo-chat)

This, together with a sophisticated behavior of covering traces (lifestyle, scuba glasses, leotards, maybe changing condoms)

Just a "horrible" thought, about what personality we are possibly talking about....?

 

[Chiatos]

In my opinion, the used terms point out to a registration or re-registration on the day after the disappearance. Otherwise the BKA would have used an other ductus, like "Zur Tatzeit war das Fahrzeug in Augsburg zugelassen" what would mean, at the time of the disappearance the vehicle was registered in Augsburg.

If you know what i mean. So if you asked me, the re-registration of the JAG the day after the disappearance to AB, could have been some kind of a try to cover tracks. IMO the Jag must have been in Germany at the time, because a registration requires to hand over the former "papers" of the vehicle.

So if he brought one of his cars to germany before the disappearance and left shortly after with the T3, it looks like some kind of planned behavior to me.

I'll bother you some more ...
In fact BKA is not saying:
Zur Tatzeit war das Fahrzeug in Augsburg zugelassen.

BKA is saying: Kennzeichen: Die letzte bekannte Zulassung nach dem Tattag war bei der Stadt Augsburg.
In English: the last known registration after the day of the offence (=May 3rd) was in Augsburg.
It does not say: the last known registration (took place) on the day after the offence ...

 

[Dlk79]

I'm just watching the very interesting true crime Netflix broadcast called "Don't @@@@ with cats". It's about a convicted psychotic and narcassistic murderer called Luka M..

Although i'm not a shrink, i would like to see some slight similarities according to the things we seem to know so far.

- gathering attention (Malaga trip)
- pretenting to be important (running around in suits, driving Jags whilst sleeping in vans)
- killing animals, whilst into keeping pets (Neuwegersleben?)
- pretending to be the victim (DM rape case)
- challenging the "investigators" (prove it, holy water statement)
- boasting with horrible plans online (paedo-chat)

This, together with a sophisticated behavior of covering traces (lifestyle, scuba glasses, leotards, maybe changing condoms)

Just a "horrible" thought, about what personality we are possibly talking about....?

That's a very good documentary series. I noticed a lot of parallels with this case and the sleuthing we've had here.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I'll bother you some more ...
In fact BKA is not saying:
Zur Tatzeit war das Fahrzeug in Augsburg zugelassen.

BKA is saying: Kennzeichen: Die letzte bekannte Zulassung nach dem Tattag war bei der Stadt Augsburg.
In English: the last known registration after the day of the offence (=May 3rd) was in Augsburg.
It does not say: the last known registration (took place) on the day after the offence ...

Your'e welcome Chiatos, no problem!

Of course, many things are interpretable. But in germany the process of registering a vehicle is usually called "Die Zulassung". So if you buy a new or used car, you have to go to the authorities to be able to use it in traffic. You hand over proof of insurance, get plates and papers.

This process is "Die Zulassung", what can be translated as "The Permission" to drive it. Otherwise BKA would more likely used the term, "Das Fahrzeug war am Tag nach der Tat in Augsburg angemeldet.".

The used words point out to the process of registration the day after, but not have been already registered. German is kind of tricky with that. Even to us germans sometimes!

 

[Lilly b]

I'll bother you some more ...
In fact BKA is not saying:
Zur Tatzeit war das Fahrzeug in Augsburg zugelassen.

BKA is saying: Kennzeichen: Die letzte bekannte Zulassung nach dem Tattag war bei der Stadt Augsburg.
In English: the last known registration after the day of the offence (=May 3rd) was in Augsburg.
It does not say: the last known registration (took place) on the day after the offence ...

We've touched on this before, you don't need be in possession of a vehicle to transfer the ownership to someone else, it's the details you fill in on the log book, and I don't think that could be done online in 2007, you would have to post it to the relevant place, it's the DVLA in the uk
And I do believe it was done on purpose
The log book could of been filled in anytime, days before, but you would have to put the date on of when you want the change of ownership to happen

 

[Lilly b]

That's a very good documentary series. I noticed a lot of parallels with this case and the sleuthing we've had here.

It would take the mind of a murderer to understand a murderer
It would take a mind of a paedophile to understand a paedophile, so I would think