Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

[vermisstekindersuche]

Are you afraid of existing MM-content (or similar) on the web? Let's be honest....

NO. I'm not.

 

[snowpea666]

I don't know why are we still talking about this bute here we go ...

We are because CB could very well have been selling or trading on the Dark web ! I posted without a transcript! just a link, so if people wanted to read they could !, and as we have discussed before could monetary gain have been a factor in the MM abduction and could some of the evidence have come from the DW quite a valid post, you seem to be very well briefed in the workings of the DW? could you please share a link to the site that informs people to the DW trading, esp from 2007/8 Thanks

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Are you afraid of existing MM-content (or similar) on the web? Let's be honest....

If MM were to be "that" important to me that in turn would justify the risk to do so and if i were to be afraid of the existence of that sort of content that would lead to mean suffering abuse for a long period of time (MM) I would go there myself(pedo forums) and I would check all of those places up untill not a single one left even if i were to end up either crazy or in jail or both.

LEA/Interpol/Europol have the DUTY to do that for us. I wouldn't go and risk my life for someone that doesn't mean for me any more than ALL the other ones that are there suffering abuse.

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to known facts, there had been many cases of RECORDED abuse of victims in many ways. Children, elder women, animals, self stimulation, according to the suspect.

The question is maybe, if we are talking about keeping footage for own "pleasure", or to make money....

"Market places" need goods that have to be traded....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

According to known facts, there had been many cases of RECORDED abuse of victims in many ways. Children, elder women, animals, self stimulation, according to the suspect.

The question is maybe, if we are talking about keeping footage for own "pleasure", or to make money....

"Market places" need goods that have ro be traded....

The "problem" with that is 1) We don't even know if CB did indeed killed/kidnapped MM and 2) If he were to trade/sell those videos they would have been found by now. It was back in 2007 ...

Unless he did trade just with friends, people from his group, etc but he was arrested several times, searched, photages of MM were never found with him (not that we know about at least) so ... what are the odds ?

If BKA were to find MM fotage / videos with CB don't you think the MM parents would be informed ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...) could you please share a link to the site that informs people to the DW trading, esp from 2007/8 Thanks

Could you be more specific ? What do you mean by this ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

According to known facts, there had been many cases of RECORDED abuse of victims in many ways. Children, elder women, animals, self stimulation, according to the suspect.

On this case this is a GOOD THING because it means that THIS SUSPECT do store EVIDENCE that can lately be used.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I don't know why are we still talking about this bute here we go ...

This :

Hurtcore - Wikipedia

IF MM movies/pictures were to be available on the DarkWeb it would have to be classifyed as "Hurtcore" so It would not be for the majority of "consumers" of the DarkWeb pedo forums/sites.

Then once that content were "available" and "traded" it would live on inside the DarkWeb pedo forums dedicated to "Hurtcore" "forever". Meaning they would be re-using the same content over and over again and that same content would be published and know all over all DarkWeb pedo forums dedicated to the "theme".

LEA would only need to register those sites and check the content. Even on pay-per-view "movies" it would exist some form of "preview" so that the buyers were to know what they are buying. No pedo/psycho/whatever would be spending a huge amount of $$$ in something like this if they were buying "blindly"; they would want to see the victims.

Even on the Hurtcore Peter Scully case the victims were "related" or near him; he did went to kidnapp a "stranger" to produce his videos. Majority of child /abuse will NOT be "Hurtcore" and depict children that are very close to the criminals as they have access to the child and want to produce content that doesn't look like the child is in pain.

So the alleagtions that MM was used to produce child don't have any "ground" as nothing was found up untill now that we know of. I think that if LEA DID had found something like this by now all the press and other police forces would know because of the "popularity" of MM.

NOW, WHAT CAN HAPPEN is that IT MIGHT and this is a BIG MIGHT be some "indirect content" related to MM on the DarkWeb / pedo forums.

I DIDN'T BOTHER to go any further on this because it would go COMPLETLY outside the scope of my goals but even if there aren't any DIRECT content like pictures or videos it might be INDIRECT CONTENT like PM messages with text where for example a pedo do confess to another pedo that he did kill/rape MM, etc. There might even be stories posted there like people claiming that they did this and that to a ficticional person and that person ends up to be MM.

BUT this goes on the "speculation" caregory only.

I would be quite "easy" even for someone without LEA "tools" to simply use TOR (it's legal in most countries) and "hack" the darkweb forums related to pedo content to obtain the database of those sites with private messages. Then a simple name search would reveal if there was something of significance. It would be time consuming but possible.

Another stuff to check would be to verify the text content to see if "stories" do have a solid background that doesn't look a story when properly checked. Those would be "indirect" stuff.

It shouldn't be that hard for LEA/Interpol/Europol to locate ALL pedo forums as they would need to be found to pedos as well.

LEA do pose as pedos and they are on the DarkWeb since the beginning of time of encrypted forums, etc ...

I would say that if normal people were to check those type of nasty abuse stuff they would way more likely enconter CHILDREN THAT THEY DO KNOW in REAL LIFE and NOT MM (OR ANY OTHER MISSING CHILD FOR THAT MATTER).

It's somewhat HORRIBLE to say this but the ones that are abused/filmed for the content then be uplodaded even on clearnet sites are NOT missing children that disapear without explanation but instead ARE for example your neighbour kids that have a normal happy life without anyone knowing that they are been exploited by their own parents. The fact that all it's so "dark" and "hidden" and that all of this is so "forbidden" that will land you in jail in many places even if you look just for a moment to a single picture of abuse makes it possible for your neighbours or even members of your family to be right now raping their x-yo daughter/son and upload it to the net without YOU that are there, so close to them ever in life suspect that all of this is happening.

Then think as well on MM family and friends and people who knew her. Do you think it's reasonable to "assume" that there are content of her on DarkWeb without a solid ground for saying so ? What if it were your child ? If your child were to be missing would you like to go to a forum like this one that are suposed to be supportive and helpfull to the missing person and start to read stuff like this, like people imagining ways MM could have been exploited and start to think of long abuse and even torture like Peter Scully case victims without any solid ground ?

You guys did post latest news about CB. He is been investigated ONLY over 4 crimes now. You guys did post the links and I did post the links as well.

1 Crime is the MM killing the other 3 crimes are the Portuguese/Rapes in Algarve and child abuse in Algarve (showing his sexual organ, etc)...

PJ in portugal will cooperate with BKA over the 3 "Algarve" crimes that CB is under investigation for. Looks like PJ will not change what they think about MM.

Doesn't matter. So far there are no news/reports that CB is "linked" to ANY child "ring" even if he was using the darkweb and participating in pedo forums.

As i stated milion times if there were to be MM content it would have been found and the family would have known by now.

To be fair with you guys - I'M SURE there are MM content of the DarkWeb but as TEXT/POSTS.

Think, darkweb does "hide" and "host" several pedo forums, MM is very popular among pedos so naturaly there "might" be content like random posters saying that they would like to do this or that; even so I BET that the majority of posters would not want to wish for a little girl to be abducted and killed, majority would most likely even consider other options like the theory that is not allowed in this forum about MM parents, and so on ...

LEA/INTERPOL/EUROPOL is there to do their job. Speculating about what might exist will not help anyone in solving the crimes. Saying that someone did suffer this or that based on speculation or saying that just because this CB piece of junk did A and B he could very well have done C and D doesn't mean that he indeed have done it.

It's up to BKA now to show us if CB is indeed the one that did kill MM. Going past what they did already state that CB is been investigated for is a "long step" forward even when right now we don't even know if he will EVEN BE QUESTIONED (even less charged) with MM case ...

Just my toughts.

As far as i am following this medium, you are the first one to mention things like "Hurtcore" in that extensive way!

Please tell us about your opinion about it. Is it real or modern day fantasy?

Please let us know abd share your knowledge!

 

[snowpea666]

I know we have all seen and read this but it is maybe worth another look ? Madeleine McCann suspect's best friend believes he abducted her and sold her
Mr Tatschl, 46, claimed that Brueckner, 43, also boasted about “selling kids” – although there has been no evidence found of this so far – and he fears Madeleine was sold to a sex ring.

He claimed: “He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids, maybe to Morocco.

“I think he probably sold Maddie to someone. Maybe a sex ring. I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend. I know he did it.”

Mr Tatschl claimed that Brueckner was obsessed with the dark web and suspects he used it to deal in and drugs.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The "problem" with that is 1) We don't even know if CB did indeed killed/kidnapped MM and 2) If he were to trade/sell those videos they would have been found by now. It was back in 2007 ...

Unless he did trade just with friends, people from his group, etc but he was arrested several times, searched, photages of MM were never found with him (not that we know about at least) so ... what are the odds ?

If BKA were to find MM fotage / videos with CB don't you think the MM parents would be informed ?

Nobody ever assumed, that CB maybe uploaded something to the darkweb around 2007, that is related to MM.

But what about third parties, that even did it later, after CB got rid of his former "missteps" ?

What is your explanation of BKA getting aware of CB? A phone call?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

As far as i am following this medium, you are the first one to mention things like "Hurtcore" in that extensive way!

Please tell us about your opinion about it. Is it real or modern day fantasy?

Please let us know abd share your knowledge!

Read the article that was posted before mine :

Peter Scully - Wikipedia

Among those who acquired the video was one of the biggest-ever purveyors of child , Scully's fellow Australian Matthew David Graham, better known by his online pseudonym Lux. Apprehended at age 22, he ran a series of "hurtcore" child sites.[11][12] Graham said he got the video so he could use it to attract more viewers to his network of websites.

 

[snowpea666]

Could you be more specific ? What do you mean by this ?

You seem very sure that people on the DW dont EVER buy, pay to view etc , yes I know many are shared between each other, in the link I posted it says 10.000 was the going rate to view such things etc, CB was money mad, all Im saying could money have been a motive or driving force behind the abduction of MM ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

I know we have all seen and read this but it is maybe worth another look ? Madeleine McCann suspect's best friend believes he abducted her and sold her
Mr Tatschl, 46, claimed that Brueckner, 43, also boasted about “selling kids” – although there has been no evidence found of this so far – and he fears Madeleine was sold to a sex ring.

He claimed: “He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids, maybe to Morocco.

“I think he probably sold Maddie to someone. Maybe a sex ring. I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend. I know he did it.”

Mr Tatschl claimed that Brueckner was obsessed with the dark web and suspects he used it to deal in and drugs.

I already post this several days ago.

If CB is somehow involved in MM "kidnapping" I think it's more likely that he did kidnapped her to someone else, because of that "Horrible job to do" comment, etc ... Assuming only.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Read the article that was posted before mine :

Peter Scully - Wikipedia

Among those who acquired the video was one of the biggest-ever purveyors of child , Scully's fellow Australian Matthew David Graham, better known by his online pseudonym Lux. Apprehended at age 22, he ran a series of "hurtcore" child sites.[11][12] Graham said he got the video so he could use it to attract more viewers to his network of websites.

So, you would admit, that "Hurtcore" could be a common content, that has been discussed or even traded at the darkweb?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Nobody ever assumed, that CB maybe uploaded something to the darkweb around 2007, that is related to MM.

But what about third parties, that even did it later, after CB got rid of his former "missteps" ?

What is your explanation of BKA getting aware of CB? A phone call?

Not a phone call. Maybe friends/girlfriend wanting to get reward for "solving" MM crime by blaming CB ? Also BKA was already aware of CB at least since 2013 in relation to MM.

 

[snowpea666]

As far as i am following this medium, you are the first one to mention things like "Hurtcore" in that extensive way!

Please tell us about your opinion about it. Is it real or modern day fantasy?

Please let us know about share your knowledge!

For sure, I left a link, but it was only about a perp, and the monetary value etc, not the workings in and out of such vile practices

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

You seem very sure that people on the DW dont EVER buy, pay to view etc , yes I know many are shared between each other, in the link I posted it says 10.000 was the going rate to view such things etc, CB was money mad, all Im saying could money have been a motive or driving force behind the abduction of MM ?

Yes, I think it could.

I didn't say people don't trade/sell/buy on DarkWeb. That market for weapons, drug, etc that you guys told about that was closed did trade.

What I'm saying is that it's "stupid" to buy/sell child as you will get busted and that same content will be available anyway sooner or later.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Not a phone call. Maybe friends/girlfriend wanting to get reward for "solving" MM crime by blaming CB ? Also BKA was already aware of CB at least since 2013 in relation to MM.

You are still and repeatedly avoiding my questions! I was asking for general facts and you seem to link everything to CB.

That doesn't look effective to me....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

You seem very sure that people on the DW dont EVER buy, pay to view etc , yes I know many are shared between each other, in the link I posted it says 10.000 was the going rate to view such things etc, CB was money mad, all Im saying could money have been a motive or driving force behind the abduction of MM ?

10.000 was what people did pay to see something that now is "commun knowledge".

People could even pay 100.000 to see exclusive MM content back at 2007 but by now that content would have been in public domain like those same videos that you talk about are.

There are pedos out there that would pay a fortune for MM abuse content. I'm not saying that there are not.

On those pedo forums people / pedos do request that sort of MM content for sure. So if there were to be some it would have been presented there for sale or it would have been leeked out already.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

So, you would admit, that "Hurtcore" could be a common content, that has been discussed or even traded at the darkweb?

Yes, but would be know, not secretive. It would be hated by the majority of pedophiles and "banned" from the majority of pedo sites.

Only a very few pedo sites would have an Hurtcore section and there would be only 2 or 3 sites only dedicated to that. But again it would be visible to anyone using the TOR network and LEA/BKA would have access to it as well.