Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

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And Sta Stendal do know very well exactly where CB was on 02/05/2015 at 19:00-20:00 and he was NOT at wilhelmshof.
How do you know this? Can you post a link?
All the rest that you will read from JC or even HCW regarding this would just be an attempt to put more blames on CB for stuff that they know for sure he haven't done
How do you know what "they know" for sure he hasn't done?
If the words on the book are indeed what HCW stated to JC then there is no doubt (for me) that they are simply trying all that they can to make CB look like a serial-killer
but all this "mess" of linking to stuff where they clearly know "it wasn't him" will not help BKA/HCW at the long run because they will be "seen" as liers
I'm probably going to regret asking this, but are you able to explain, without rambling, EXACTLY what it is you claim HCW/BKA to be lying about? No paragraphs, just straight to the point. "HCW" said.... and then post the quote that you're claiming is a "lie".

If this whole hissy fit and campaign to discredit JC is all because of the mention of IG in his book, you shoud confine your greivance about that to the IG thread. German authorities HAVE looked into CB over IG though, that's a fact. So it's not exactly irrelevant for JC to talk about it even if YOU consider the potential link to be overstated. Back in February there was a story in the Sun with quotes from the German prosecutors office saying they consider that IG/CB investigation "currently" closed as they'd found no evidence so far to indicate his involvement. But equally, there were no quotes stating he has been fully ruled out either, despite what the headline might have said. The fact they used the word "currently" suggests to me that they haven't fully ruled him out, and we wouldn't necessarily know if the investigators in Stendal are still considering the link. So how do you "know for a fact" that CB had nothing to do with it, please post a link?

Anyway, from what I can see, all HCW said about it to JC was that there was some involvement (by his office in the IG case) but that the case was in the hands of the Stendal police i.e. it's not for him to comment on. The CT case is nothing to do with HCW either, it's the Belgian authorities who were investigating a possible link to CB. We don't know what their thoughts are currently on his possible involvement. Again, HCW told JC pretty much the same thing.

Yes, HCW's office are investigating CB directly for those 4 cases you mentioned. But the other 2 cases mentioned are being investigated by other teams, and none of us really KNOW whether CB is (officially or unofficially) still under consideration for either them. Whether you think it's "right" for JC to bring those cases up is a matter of opinion, but the facts are that CB has been looked into a suspect by LE for both of them at some point. Therefore I don't personally think it's unreasonable to discuss those cases in his book given it's been widely covered in the media already, especially when there is still nothing concrete to say CB definitely "couldn't" have been involved in them. If you "know" different, again, post a link!

I hadn't intended to read JC's book, mainly because I'd been told most of it is stuff we've already covered here. But after all the promotion you've given it, I have actually now bought it, so JC can thank you directly for those 8 bucks. I got it mainly to read the chapter where he interviews HCW to see what HCW ACTUALLY said to him. From what I've read so far, none if it is anywhere near as controversial as what you've made it out to be.

If there is something else you think HCW or JC has said that is a "lie", something that actually relates to MM, the missing child who this thread is supposed to be about, then please spit it out.
 
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From the mentioned article :

A McCann family source told The Sun Online: “Police don’t tell us what’s going on, we’re in the dark because it's an ongoing investigation.

and :

“We don't know what evidence police have."

It confirms what I stated many posts ago (last week or so). Meaning (if Sun article is true) that MM parents were not provided with more info from BKA/HCW as I "suspected".
 
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This stuff is obviously been briefed by FF

It is quite a bizarre situation really, but it also shows why it was strange for HCW to give those comments to JC (if he actually did)

He really ought to give a direct media briefing as to the state of the investigation, at least to clear up what is accurate and what is tabloid whispers.

He's never done that though, has he? On the contrary. He continues to utilise low-quality media that he knows will stir it up to create sensational headlines, with little to no regard for what's fact and what sells. To the point where he himself is regularly misrepresented and made a fool of!

If he had any interest in maintaining a balanced and professional narrative, he just wouldn't do that. Bottom line, no one IMO who claims to have what he says he has CB-related would need to go down (and I emphasise 'down') this route.

So yes, It is quite bizarre.

If FF is the source of the denials, then he's - imo - only taking his 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' lead from HCW.
 
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He's never done that though, has he? On the contrary. He continues to utilise low-quality media that he knows will stir it up to create sensational headlines, with little to no regard for what's fact and what sells. To the point where he himself is regularly misrepresented and made a fool of!

If he had any interest in maintaining a balanced and professional narrative, he just wouldn't do that. Bottom line, no one IMO who claims to have what he says he has CB-related would need to go this route.

So yes, It is quite bizarre.

If FF is the source of the denials, then he's - imo - only taking his 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' lead from HCW.


I do think a lot of the low quality stuff is just regurgitated bile though, but definitely aimed at the masses. Makes me wonder if there's a particular reason for that from HCW's point of view, as he doesn't seem to be courting the 'broad sheets' nor they him.

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I'm going to attempt to predict the future. This will be my oppinion only so no sources as it didn't happen yet.

In the next few days HCW will talk to the media, like the SUN, etc and he will tell that despite of the fact that it's taking more time than expected they are still getting lots of lead and info so they are confident that CB is the one who took/killed MM, it's just that it will take more time to the investigation on him to bring results and they will keep investigating so they can't make any further comments apart from the fact that they have good reason to say that CB killed MM. He might end up talking that he is confident that they will get a charge for the other 3 PT based crimes but that's it.

Let's see if I will get this one right....

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(...)Bottom line, no one IMO who claims to have what he says he has CB-related would need to go down (and I emphasise 'down') this route.

So yes, It is quite bizarre.

No investigator at all on HCW sittuation would leave MM parents in the situattion he left, assuming what was posted on the newspapers is truth. So i'm "predicting" that the intent will be just to drag this case as long as it's possible without presenting any further evidences.

JMO.
 
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How do you know this? Can you post a link?

How do you know what "they know" for sure he hasn't done?


I'm probably going to regret asking this, but are you able to explain, without rambling, EXACTLY what it is you claim HCW/BKA to be lying about? No paragraphs, just straight to the point. "HCW" said.... and then post the quote that you're claiming is a "lie".

If this whole hissy fit and campaign to discredit JC is all because of the mention of IG in his book, you shoud confine your greivance about that to the IG thread. German authorities HAVE looked into CB over IG though, that's a fact. So it's not exactly irrelevant for JC to talk about it even if YOU consider the potential link to be overstated. Back in February there was a story in the Sun with quotes from the German prosecutors office saying they consider that IG/CB investigation "currently" closed as they'd found no evidence so far to indicate his involvement. But equally, there were no quotes stating he has been fully ruled out either, despite what the headline might have said. The fact they used the word "currently" suggests to me that they haven't fully ruled him out, and we wouldn't necessarily know if the investigators in Stendal are still considering the link. So how do you "know for a fact" that CB had nothing to do with it, please post a link?

Anyway, from what I can see, all HCW said about it to JC was that there was some involvement (by his office in the IG case) but that the case was in the hands of the Stendal police i.e. it's not for him to comment on. The CT case is nothing to do with HCW either, it's the Belgian authorities who were investigating a possible link to CB. We don't know what their thoughts are currently on his possible involvement. Again, HCW told JC pretty much the same thing.

Yes, HCW's office are investigating CB directly for those 4 cases you mentioned. But the other 2 cases mentioned are being investigated by other teams, and none of us really KNOW whether CB is (officially or unofficially) still under consideration for either them. Whether you think it's "right" for JC to bring those cases up is a matter of opinion, but the facts are that CB has been looked into a suspect by LE for both of them at some point. Therefore I don't personally think it's unreasonable to discuss those cases in his book given it's been widely covered in the media already, especially when there is still nothing concrete to say CB definitely "couldn't" have been involved in them. If you "know" different, again, post a link!

I hadn't intended to read JC's book, mainly because I'd been told most of it is stuff we've already covered here. But after all the promotion you've given it, I have actually now bought it, so JC can thank you directly for those 8 bucks. I got it mainly to read the chapter where he interviews HCW to see what HCW ACTUALLY said to him. From what I've read so far, none if it is anywhere near as controversial as what you've made it out to be.

If there is something else you think HCW or JC has said that is a "lie", something that actually relates to MM, the missing child who this thread is supposed to be about, then please spit it out.
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This is kind of heartbreaking and should be kind of close to the current situation IMO.

This is why i keep saying that if all of this is "real" and not a media/press fabrication HCW/BKA attitude toward the MM parents are "cruel" to say the least. If HCW does know that CB did kill MM even if he doesn't have evidence he could share what he does have with MM parents. No reason not to do so even if he had to leave some stuff to tell, at least some briefing with exclusive info for them, would be the reasonable to ask, even more from BKA that did went to the trouble of calling RH father 20 years later to tell that CB might be involved in the boy case.... there is no excuse not to tell to MM parents something more than what they get from the press. JMO.
 
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I can't understand the attitute of some of WS members toward me. This is upsetting me really badly as it's a subject that honestly I would rather not had to be talking about over and over again. I don't know why some of you guys keep insisting on this stuff knowing that it disturbs me and that because of WS rules I can't defend what i'm stating as my posts will get deleted because I do have to use MSM links only and I don't want to ID myself. I don't want to go any further with this talk so I will try to do my best with WS rules.

This :

quote - How do you know this? Can you post a link?

and :

quote - The fact they used the word "currently" suggests to me that they haven't fully ruled him out, and we wouldn't necessarily know if the investigators in Stendal are still considering the link.


JC book was based on interview in June, so later on AUGUST this was posted on MSM :

Vermisstenfall Inga: Staatsanwaltschaft Stendal bei ihrer Linie | Stendal

" In the missing Inga Gehricke case, the Stendal public prosecutor sticks to its line. A spokeswoman does not see any new approaches at the moment."

Again this was posted on 08/2021

So please if you have ANY MSM links that show that Sta Stendal is still investigating the little Inga case AT ALL please do post here.

If not lets just change subject. It's really upsetting me. And it's only "speculation" without any solid/credible source. I did post 2 diferent MSM sources from 02 and 08 of this year with 2 prossecuters of StaStendal stating the case is close. If you have any reasonable official source at all to say otherwise please post (preferable if its a declaration from someone at Sta Stendal or little Inga family and not some shaddy book). Thanks.
 
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I know you haven’t read the book on principle, but JC did contact Stendhal prosecutors and talked about their reply to him. It’s not MSM so I can’t link, but they told him that ‘after additional research’, they have ‘no new facts’ and there are ‘no indications’ that CB was in the vicinity when IG went missing. As @Dlk79 rightly said, not once has it been said that he is completely cleared and I’m sorry, but your link doesn’t state that either - just that they don’t see any new approaches. It’s a cold case. And a cold case that HCW is not involved in, so as he told JC, he knows CB has been investigated for it but that’s all he knew and he directed JC to speak to Stendhal. Nothing untoward there.

It would be very poor policing if they didn’t keep an open mind on all possibilities and as there is a complete lack of evidence in that case, they can’t rule CB’s involvement out definitively. They can’t definitively rule out anyone that was in Germany at the time. Lack of evidence does not equal lack of guilt.

If whatever your ‘inside knowledge’ on the case is indicates that CB is completely cleared then that’s absolutely fine. But until we other mere mortals here on the thread are given that exact information via the prosecutors press office, we’re in the dark.

Absolutely no one is going out of their way to upset you on here, people’s issue so far is that you speak of fact but can’t provide proof, and we understand why. But you’re best not having any input at all if you can’t provide sources as it’s against TOS. We’re all here with the same goal, seeking truth. We can’t take one person’s word over what we’ve been told by the prosecutors.

It may seem very pedantic to you, but thems the rules.

Besides, this isn’t even the place to be discussing this, so can we get back to the topic at hand?
 
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