Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[C.greek]

Is this any kind of admission that they still haven't figured out who had the phone on that day?

"The documentary also claims that the mobile phone assigned to him was used by another person."

„Wir haben immer wieder betont, dass wir natürlich nur nachweisen können, dass sich das Handy in der Funkzelle des Tatorts befunden hat“, so Wolters. „Gerade deshalb suchen wir ja fieberhaft nach dem Gesprächspartner, weil uns dieser ggf. sagen könnte, mit wem er telefoniert hat.

"We have repeatedly emphasized that we can of course only prove that the phone was in the range of the crime scene," said Wolters. "That is precisely why we are feverishly looking for the person they were talking to, because he or she could possibly tell us who he was talking to on the phone."

Im Fall Maddie McCann: Das sagt der Staatsanwalt zum angeblichen Brückner-Alibi

 

[SuperdadV8]

Not a nice thing to read

Nope! But unfortuneatly part of reality in the paedo-business! Also in the hurtcore-business, some former members in here denied to be existing....

 

[SuperdadV8]

Is this any kind of admission that they still haven't figured out who had the phone on that day?

"The documentary also claims that the mobile phone assigned to him was used by another person."

„Wir haben immer wieder betont, dass wir natürlich nur nachweisen können, dass sich das Handy in der Funkzelle des Tatorts befunden hat“, so Wolters. „Gerade deshalb suchen wir ja fieberhaft nach dem Gesprächspartner, weil uns dieser ggf. sagen könnte, mit wem er telefoniert hat.

"We have repeatedly emphasized that we can of course only prove that the phone was in the range of the crime scene," said Wolters. "That is precisely why we are feverishly looking for the person they were talking to, because he or she could possibly tell us who he was talking to on the phone."

Im Fall Maddie McCann: Das sagt der Staatsanwalt zum angeblichen Brückner-Alibi

Yes, so it sounds like.

 

[C.greek]

Yes, so it sounds like.

This is disappointing

 

[SuperdadV8]

This is disappointing

Just a matter of time. If the other caller was somebody that probably has been involved, why should he come forward?!

Time will tell!

 

[C.greek]

Just a matter of time. If the other caller was somebody that probably has been involved, why should he come forward?!

Time will tell!

Yes but now this introduces doubts about whether CB actually had the phone on the day. Unless and what I believe happens is that they have evidence for after the abduction which are incriminating for CB (but then again as we said he might be not recognisable 100%). It is such a complex case...

 

[Dlk79]

Is this any kind of admission that they still haven't figured out who had the phone on that day?

"The documentary also claims that the mobile phone assigned to him was used by another person."

„Wir haben immer wieder betont, dass wir natürlich nur nachweisen können, dass sich das Handy in der Funkzelle des Tatorts befunden hat“, so Wolters. „Gerade deshalb suchen wir ja fieberhaft nach dem Gesprächspartner, weil uns dieser ggf. sagen könnte, mit wem er telefoniert hat.

"We have repeatedly emphasized that we can of course only prove that the phone was in the range of the crime scene," said Wolters. "That is precisely why we are feverishly looking for the person they were talking to, because he or she could possibly tell us who he was talking to on the phone."

Im Fall Maddie McCann: Das sagt der Staatsanwalt zum angeblichen Brückner-Alibi

Even if it is, that must surely mean the other evidence is still incriminating enough to charge CB for murder regardless, based on what HCW has said at the end of last year anyway.

HCW's reluctance to mention or discuss any "abduction" aspect (only murder) might well be because they aren't 100% sure that is was CB who actually took her, but they are 100% certain that he was the one who later killed her.

Might be pushing the limit here, but if you were wanting an accomplice to abduct a sleeping child from their bedroom for you and vanish from the scene, MN would be an ideal candidate given his proven track record.

MWT mentioned last year that he'd picked up that the number belonged to another darkweb paedo (after saying it was NM mind you). I suspect that may be the angle he is going to explore in the doc.

 

[tedtink]

Just a matter of time. If the other caller was somebody that probably has been involved, why should he come forward?!

Time will tell!

What if the phone wasn't in CB's hand, but was in an accomplice's hand who'd borrowed CB's phone and was in PDL?
Perhaps CB was waiting 30 minutes away and was actually the other caller?

Perhaps why HCW doesn't seem interested in CB + 5A.

That might explain the 2 blond men checking out 5A too.

JMO

 

[SuperdadV8]

What if the phone wasn't in CB's hand, but was in an accomplice's hand who'd borrowed CB's phone and was in PDL?
Perhaps CB was waiting 30 minutes away and was actually the other caller?

Perhaps why HCW doesn't seem interested in 5A.

My assumption is that HCW has no proof of CB in 5A, except some reported confessions to third parties of having snatched her. But it doesn't matter, because it's not an abduction case, but a murder case.

 

[mrjitty]

It's a direct quote though...

If only the criminal law provided a method by which the accused could give his version to police in a recorded interview with counsel present

 

[mrjitty]

Would we know though of the evidence if CB were charged?! Or would we need to wait for the trial?

Trial is what I am talking about.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

HB testimony and story "verified" (independently, separately) by notes/texts taken from CB's places in Germany?! Then BKA asking CB's ex-girlfriends for other supporting/complementary letters/correspondence he had written to them...Fantasy? Fictional? Can the circunstantial evidence be "just this"?!

 

[snowpea666]

What if the phone wasn't in CB's hand, but was in an accomplice's hand who'd borrowed CB's phone and was in PDL?
Perhaps CB was waiting 30 minutes away and was actually the other caller?

Perhaps why HCW doesn't seem interested in CB + 5A.

That might explain the 2 blond men checking out 5A too.

JMO

CB could have been waiting 30/40 mins away in Foral with NF, who could also be his alibi ?

 

[C.greek]

HB testimony and story "verified" (independently, separately) by notes/texts taken from CB's places in Germany?! Then BKA asking CB's ex-girlfriends for other supporting/complementary letters/correspondence he had written to them...Fantasy? Fictional? Can the circunstantial evidence be "just this"?!

What are you talking about?

 

[RichardKimble]

Just a matter of time. If the other caller was somebody that probably has been involved, why should he come forward?!

Time will tell!

I think time as told, it was 20 odd months ago the appeal went out, it can't be said after Wolters said concrete evidence, its advanced to charges.

 

[RichardKimble]

My assumption is that HCW has no proof of CB in 5A, except some reported confessions to third parties of having snatched her. But it doesn't matter, because it's not an abduction case, but a murder case.

But like I said before, how did CB and Madeleine come together ? that matters imo in the overall scheme of things.

I think you are in Germany ( is that right) in the uk there are at time various true crime series following live police investigations, like recent 24 hrs in police custody on ITV , the police don't just say he /she murdered the victim, all kinds of investigations are undertaken to prove how and when the perp and victim came together lest there is a hole in the prosecution, beyond reasonable doubt, no one can say that is the case here that is why its where its at 20 months on from an appeal and a long way on from where SY said one last critical line of enquiry.

 

[mrjitty]

Can the circunstantial evidence be "just this"?!

My "carnival of mirrors" theory is similar to this. They had human intel which was very credible, and the more they looked, the more they found circumstantial evidence. This convinced them that their theory of the case was correct, but they hadn't found the critical evidence to go to trial - i.e. the body

I've been reading about other missing bodies and it is interesting how often when police "know who did it" due to the circumstances, yet lack proof: 1) of death; and 2) forensics to prove the suspect is the killer

In these cases, the evidence can be more indirect. e.g motive, story not making sense, efforts to cover up and it's the totality of the evidence that is important

Personally i doubt the existence of any smoking gun

 

[mrjitty]

But like I said before, how did CB and Madeleine come together ? that matters imo in the overall scheme of things.

I think you are in Germany ( is that right) in the uk there are at time various true crime series following live police investigations, like recent 24 hrs in police custody on ITV , the police don't just say he /she murdered the victim, all kinds of investigations are undertaken to prove how and when the perp and victim came together lest there is a hole in the prosecution, beyond reasonable doubt, no one can say that is the case here that is why its where its at 20 months on from an appeal and a long way on from where SY said one last critical line of enquiry.

I think the "how" is the content of the human intel.

I've speculated before that in his "confession" he might have given something away that a fantasist could not have known - that places him in 5A

 

[onemoremiletogo]

What are you talking about?

Just speculating if BKA may have found "the same story" told to them by HB in any letters/notes they may have found in CB's abandoned places in Germany. Maybe details that only the killer could know.
Do not recall where but I remembered something reported related with then BKA asking ex-girlfriends for notes from him. In the attempt to get another piece of the puzzle?!
Don't they have more than this?

 

[RichardKimble]

I think the "how" is the content of the human intel.

I've speculated before that in his "confession" he might have given something away that a fantasist could not have known - that places him in 5A

That then becomes hearsay, but roll with it, what could possibly be known to just to CB about 5a that is not known to the world ?