Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[Pixie Child]

As recently has October, no photo: :However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof that Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

Maddie McCann lawyers '100% convinced' German sex offender murdered her

Without a body or forensics, they will rely on the cumulative effect of the rest of the evidence.

BKA can place CB close to OC that night. They will show he had a history of breaking, entering & assaulting in the area. They have a number of potential eye witnesses in the lead up and ‘confession’ like statements.

They may be able to prove his call to another paedophile that night. If so, they may have his coms with that paedophile which might suggest he was involved with the abduction & killing. They will also have details of any transfer of money to CB.

Speculative but if Paraguayan police are right, that paedophile was recently arrested, they are going through his hard drives currently. They may be able to prove he was in Portugal or directing CB. He may also be charged re MM and many other offenses. He may be the bigger fish & we don’t know if he has even been extradited yet.

They don’t need a body or forensics if coms & cash prove the case.

 

[frank-cole]

As recently has October, no photo: :However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof that Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

Maddie McCann lawyers '100% convinced' German sex offender murdered her

The summary from the tabloid is slightly off & doesn’t fully reflect HCW’s comments. He didn’t deny photographic or video evidence. He said they don’t have a video of the act or a photo of MM dead & CB on camera. He was very specific when talking about pic/vid evidence. Actually IMO it gives a clear indication on the evidence they may well have. Either a photograph or video of MM deceased without CB in frame. That’s the only evidence I can think of that would make them 100% certain, be circumstantial & require further corroboration of CB’s presence at the scene. I think they’ve now received the evidence they were quite specific about during the appeals & that’s further corroboration that not only puts CB’s phone at the scene, but also puts CB at the scene.

Just my opinion but I’m convinced that the BKA have pic/vid evidence of MM deceased. Which is absolutely tragic

 

[Zuleika]

25/12/2021
Scotland Yard 'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE': Bespoke Met Police unit is treating tragedy as a missing person case - despite German authorities insisting snatched girl is dead
Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

Grange is still in an 'active' phase of their probe, using £350,000 from a special grant awarded by the Home Office until 2022 to exhaust all further enquiries

 

[frank-cole]

25/12/2021
Scotland Yard 'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE': Bespoke Met Police unit is treating tragedy as a missing person case - despite German authorities insisting snatched girl is dead
Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

Grange is still in an 'active' phase of their probe, using £350,000 from a special grant awarded by the Home Office until 2022 to exhaust all further enquiries

Thanks. The article basically summarises SY’s position throughout the investigation. The BKA haven’t shared their concrete evidence with SY, which is why they can’t be as assured as the BKA.
I can understand the secrecy & systematic approach by the BKA. They don’t want to compromise their murder investigation. But I do feel very sorry for the McCann’s, it must be incredibly upsetting to be told their daughter is dead, but not know the reasons for this. I doubt SY, the PJ or the McCann’s will know what the concrete evidence is until CB is charged with MM’s murder. I think there will be multiple charges in the next few months, including for Hazel’s horrific sexual assault. IMO he will be convicted for all charges, but I think they’ll want a conviction in Hazel’s case before they charge CB in the MM case.

Normally in a missing persons case, SY would label people they’re investigating as ‘persons of interest’. In this case they’ve labelled CB as a suspect. The terminology is telling IMO

 

[Lilly b]

The summary from the tabloid is slightly off & doesn’t fully reflect HCW’s comments. He didn’t deny photographic or video evidence. He said they don’t have a video of the act or a photo of MM dead & CB on camera. He was very specific when talking about pic/vid evidence. Actually IMO it gives a clear indication on the evidence they may well have. Either a photograph or video of MM deceased without CB in frame. That’s the only evidence I can think of that would make them 100% certain, be circumstantial & require further corroboration of CB’s presence at the scene. I think they’ve now received the evidence they were quite specific about during the appeals & that’s further corroboration that not only puts CB’s phone at the scene, but also puts CB at the scene.

Just my opinion but I’m convinced that the BKA have pic/vid evidence of MM deceased. Which is absolutely tragic

I agree with what you say, I also think a pic or film, that would suggest that she is not alive, but not conclusive 100%, from what they have seen, maybe 98%, and that's why they said, she could still be alive, if you get me

 

[Betty_Boop88]

The summary from the tabloid is slightly off & doesn’t fully reflect HCW’s comments. He didn’t deny photographic or video evidence. He said they don’t have a video of the act or a photo of MM dead & CB on camera. He was very specific when talking about pic/vid evidence. Actually IMO it gives a clear indication on the evidence they may well have. Either a photograph or video of MM deceased without CB in frame. That’s the only evidence I can think of that would make them 100% certain, be circumstantial & require further corroboration of CB’s presence at the scene. I think they’ve now received the evidence they were quite specific about during the appeals & that’s further corroboration that not only puts CB’s phone at the scene, but also puts CB at the scene.

Just my opinion but I’m convinced that the BKA have pic/vid evidence of MM deceased. Which is absolutely tragic

And while we’ve been here discussing windows and wind, we may be glossing over something more important. HCW is quoted as saying:

“There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann.”
He added to the Sunday Times: “In each case the person has come into the person’s apartment or property by breaking and entering, often not through the door.”

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I believe HCW chooses his words very carefully. Parallels, so more than one similarity. Can we take this to mean that not just the method of breaking in is similar?
DM and HB were raped, they weren’t “abducted and murdered”, so that isn’t a parallel.

We know CB supposedly recorded DM’s rape; HB has said he recorded hers too.
As you say, Frank, HCW has always used very specific language when it comes to talking about possible media of MM. He’s never once come out and outright denied it.

 

[RichardKimble]

Without a body or forensics, they will rely on the cumulative effect of the rest of the evidence.

BKA can place CB close to OC that night. They will show he had a history of breaking, entering & assaulting in the area. They have a number of potential eye witnesses in the lead up and ‘confession’ like statements.

They may be able to prove his call to another paedophile that night. If so, they may have his coms with that paedophile which might suggest he was involved with the abduction & killing. They will also have details of any transfer of money to CB.

Speculative but if Paraguayan police are right, that paedophile was recently arrested, they are going through his hard drives currently. They may be able to prove he was in Portugal or directing CB. He may also be charged re MM and many other offenses. He may be the bigger fish & we don’t know if he has even been extradited yet.

They don’t need a body or forensics if coms & cash prove the case.

The BKA can place a phone registered to CB, no one saw him, Tannerman is not like him, the Smiths say they don't recognise him as the man they saw that night, as you rightly say its circumstantial at best with a dodgy confession in a pub some 13 yrs ago. If he's the one then he's the one but being such a high profile case circumstantial won't cut it ,the BKA have to be 100% sure ,then some .

 

[RichardKimble]

Thanks. The article basically summarises SY’s position throughout the investigation. The BKA haven’t shared their concrete evidence with SY, which is why they can’t be as assured as the BKA.
I can understand the secrecy & systematic approach by the BKA. They don’t want to compromise their murder investigation. But I do feel very sorry for the McCann’s, it must be incredibly upsetting to be told their daughter is dead, but not know the reasons for this. I doubt SY, the PJ or the McCann’s will know what the concrete evidence is until CB is charged with MM’s murder. I think there will be multiple charges in the next few months, including for Hazel’s horrific sexual assault. IMO he will be convicted for all charges, but I think they’ll want a conviction in Hazel’s case before they charge CB in the MM case.

Normally in a missing persons case, SY would label people they’re investigating as ‘persons of interest’. In this case they’ve labelled CB as a suspect. The terminology is telling IMO

DCI Mark Cranwell said this in 2020:“While this male is a suspect we retain an open mind as to his involvement and this remains a missing person inquiry.

 

[Niner]

Off the top of your head - can anyone tell me "when" the attack on Hazel Behan happened - I only have the year 2004 - and was wondering if anyone remembers the exact date - Just want to keep my notes up to date!

TIA!

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Off the top of your head - can anyone tell me "when" the attack on Hazel Behan happened - I only have the year 2004 - and was wondering if anyone remembers the exact date - Just want to keep my notes up to date!

TIA!

Chief suspect in Maddie disappearance to be charged over rape of Irish woman


“Hazel Behan, 37, was working as a holiday rep on the Algarve in Portugal in June 2004 when she suffered a violent assault just two weeks before her 21st birthday.”

Best I can do for you, Niner.

ETA - as she’s a victim, I don’t think we’re allowed to Sleuth when that 21st birthday actually was.

 

[Niner]

Chief suspect in Maddie disappearance to be charged over rape of Irish woman


“Hazel Behan, 37, was working as a holiday rep on the Algarve in Portugal in June 2004 when she suffered a violent assault just two weeks before her 21st birthday.”

Best I can do for you so far, Niner.

Thanks a bunch - at least I have the month now!

 

[Hygge]

Thanks a bunch - at least I have the month now!

Hi, in the Irish Independent it says 15 of June 2004

 

[Niner]

Hi, in the Irish Independent it says 15 of June 2004

and Thank you!

 

[JB1510]

Off the top of your head - can anyone tell me "when" the attack on Hazel Behan happened - I only have the year 2004 - and was wondering if anyone remembers the exact date - Just want to keep my notes up to date!

TIA!

If you haven’t already heard it , this is the audio
interview HB did in 2015 .
Link is halfway down the page . Interesting that HB also ran a kids club
maybe CB spotted her there or knew of her from there .
Tubridy floored by ‘bravery’ of woman sharing her harrowing rape ordeal live on air

Pleased to see the wheels starting
to move with justice in this case and can only see it as
being part of a MUCH bigger picture .I’d forgotten about
the possible Paraguayan connection, so many details to
go through.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

Indeed it is, I'm drawing comparisons, the PJ thought they had the perpetrators, SY were of the same mind in 2014, why should this new suspect be any more guilty than those previously when Wolters admits to only circumstantial and no forensics or even photos.

You sound like you are new to the case. This has been discussed ad nauseam. The German prosecution’s job is not to entertain rando anons on teh netz. They keep cards close to the lederhosen. There is no need to stick the neck out, for an obscure prosecutor and become an international laughing stock unless they were indeed 100% sure not only to investigate but to announce to the world.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

As recently has October, no photo: :However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof that Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

Maddie McCann lawyers '100% convinced' German sex offender murdered her

Re-read what you have posted carefully. They have no idea the exact method used to kill her, that does not presuppose they have no picture of body, say with wounds made by weapon unknown. They have no photo of CB actively participating but not that he was in sole possession for example of a photo of her body. 100% certain she is dead and that CB was involved.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

25/12/2021
Scotland Yard 'detectives believe Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE': Bespoke Met Police unit is treating tragedy as a missing person case - despite German authorities insisting snatched girl is dead
Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann team has 'more open thinking' and is still treating her disappearance as a missing person's investigation – despite German prosecutors insisting she is dead.

Among other theories, the bespoke London unit of officers codenamed Operation Grange is still working on a possibility she may be alive.

Grange is still in an 'active' phase of their probe, using £350,000 from a special grant awarded by the Home Office until 2022 to exhaust all further enquiries

We need to understand that any hard info about MM is, in UK, worth hundred’s of thousands of pounds from the tabloids. Hence the Germans are keeping the increasingly incompetent and corrupt, affirmative action Met out of the loop.

 

[Niner]

If you haven’t already heard it , this is the audio
interview HB did in 2015 .
Link is halfway down the page . Interesting that HB also ran a kids club
maybe CB spotted her there or knew of her from there .
Tubridy floored by ‘bravery’ of woman sharing her harrowing rape ordeal live on air

Pleased to see the wheels starting
to move with justice in this case and can only see it as
being part of a MUCH bigger picture .I’d forgotten about
the possible Paraguayan connection, so many details to
go through.

Thanks - I'll check it out!

 

[C.greek]

As late as May 2021 HCW denied rumours that the BKA were going to charge CB with HB's horrific rape.

They kept the evidence close to their chest...
Prosecutor disputes claim McCann suspect to be charged with Irish woman’s rape




Also in 2020 the Portuguese reopened HB's case and they ruled out CB's involvement! Even though the below is from Daily Mail, it appears to have quotes and translations of reputable Portuguese sources!

Police have ruled out Christian Brueckner as suspect in rape of Irish holiday rep | Daily Mail Online

I am astonished by the Portuguese's reluctance and the closing down of cases so easily...

Another thing that struck me in thid daily mail article that i don't recall being discussed is the information from Portugal's prosecutor's office that they had received 5 international requests for judicial cooperation about CB, 4 of which related to MM...

"A spokesman for the Faro District of the Portuguese Public Prosecution Service said in a statement released late last night/on Tuesday night: 'In the last few days, several news articles have been published linking the German national suspected of involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance to other court cases that took place in the Faro district.

'In order to clarify the matter, the Public Ministry has been examining its records and has so far managed to collect the following information.

'The Maddie suspect was convicted of disobedience in one case and of theft in another.

'Five requests for international judicial cooperation were also found in which the name of the suspect is mentioned.

'One of the requests is related to a case actioned against unknown people and closed in February 2006, and four related to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.'"

They are being very careful and systematic.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

As late as May 2021 HCW denied rumours that the BKA were going to charge CB with HB's horrific rape.

They kept the evidence close to their chest...
Prosecutor disputes claim McCann suspect to be charged with Irish woman’s rape




Also in 2020 the Portuguese reopened HB's case and they ruled out CB's involvement! Even though the below is from Daily Mail, it appears to have quotes and translations of reputable Portuguese sources!

Police have ruled out Christian Brueckner as suspect in rape of Irish holiday rep | Daily Mail Online

I am astonished by the Portuguese's reluctance and the closing down of cases so easily...

Another thing that struck me in thid daily mail article that i don't recall being discussed is the information from Portugal's prosecutor's office that they had received 5 international requests for judicial cooperation about CB, 4 of which related to MM...

"A spokesman for the Faro District of the Portuguese Public Prosecution Service said in a statement released late last night/on Tuesday night: 'In the last few days, several news articles have been published linking the German national suspected of involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance to other court cases that took place in the Faro district.

'In order to clarify the matter, the Public Ministry has been examining its records and has so far managed to collect the following information.

'The Maddie suspect was convicted of disobedience in one case and of theft in another.

'Five requests for international judicial cooperation were also found in which the name of the suspect is mentioned.

'One of the requests is related to a case actioned against unknown people and closed in February 2006, and four related to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.'"

They are being very careful and systematic.

I accept I might be wrong (we’re not on a certain *other* Maddy forum here) but I have a feeling ze Jermans have a hell of a lot more than they let on.

Notice that even though CB is a prolific criminal - he is NOT good at covering his tracks. He gets caught all the time. Methinks he left a lot more clues in MM case than we realize and once the sweaty, greasy oafs from the PJ were pushed aside, real work began.