Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[SuperdadV8]

No charges would mean they have not enough imo, we're fast approaching 5 yrs of investigating CB, 2017 10 yr appeal was the catalyst for HB to contact SY its said , the appeal in 2020 was a last throw of the dice imo.

Well then, no need to be afraid of the future!

 

[tedtink]

That's an interesting point. (Strategic trials) @JB1510

HCW said there were 'similarities'.

@SuperdadV8 IF CB is prosecuted for the rape of HB can HCW (in German law) refer back to the rape of DM, ( or CB previous conviction) during a trial?
I mean, compare CB's modus operandi in the case of DM to that of HB? (Point of entry, mask wearing, tights, sadistic beating's, access through appt window etc?)

We did wonder whether HCW did have CB ( disguised) and MM together, perhaps the torture, which is similar, has been filmed, like CB said on the Skype Chat?

Then if CB is prosecuted for MM would HCW be able to present those similarities (MO) in Court? DM - HB, during CB's trial for MM?

 

[Anxala]

I've been saying this for 18 months.

It seems to me you'd want to have the victims supporting the appeal seeing they have the greatest media profile, yet they are not even promoting it.

Not really sure what is happening behind the scenes of course.

I think it's impossible to make any real sense of anything to do with this current investigation, 19 months in, in the ongoing absence of knowing what the BKA claims to have/view as definitive proof of CB's 'involvement' with MM.

While not doubting the sincerity of the BKA's investigation, it still feels to me like it remains crucially short of something vital to its claims.

As usual. JMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

I know!! I also did not want to comment on the window/door discussion but I felt like this picture does not show it that impossible for a well known 'climber'and burglar who usually entered through the windows... maybe that was not the exit point as well, considering carrying MM. But it doesn't appear as if BKA are all so perplexed by 5a. Their focus is elsewhere, once they confirmed CB to be in the vicinity.

IMO, the pic on the right shows that a man is easily able to climb through that window (with what appears to be plenty of head space at the top)

from: Maddie officers 'reconstruct' bedroom snatch

 

[C.greek]

I think it's impossible to make any real sense of anything to do with this current investigation, 19 months in, in the ongoing absence of knowing what the BKA claims to have/view as definitive proof of CB's 'involvement' with MM.

While not doubting the sincerity of the BKA's investigation, it still feels to me like it remains crucially short of something vital to its claims.

As usual. JMO.

A body that is...

And on this topic i found this wiki article intersting List of murder convictions without a body - Wikipedia

It appears in such no-body cases, circumstantial evidence is used in trial. It is just a matter of collecting the most possible..imo

 

[C.greek]

Its quite possible, but in the Madeleine case, the prime suspect of what we know is not under investigation for any other child murders, he's a convicted rapist,

Which would suggest HB not CB with the BKA having not talked to CB.

You don't need to have a form for murdering to murder someone. As we know from other cases, sexually motivated crimes easily escalate

 

[Tekno]

Something I’ve been intrigued with, is Mr Wolters’ reply to this question. Paraphrased. Are they able to place CB inside 5A when Madeleine went missing. Wolters’ reply was that he’s not going to comment on that because it will just raise more questions. Could it be that they identified something linking CB to 5A, prior to the night when Madeleine disappeared? Or, that he was receiving MM on the outside of 5A?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Something I’ve been intrigued with, is Mr Wolters’ reply to this question. Paraphrased. Are they able to place CB inside 5A when Madeleine went missing. Wolters’ reply was that he’s not going to comment on that because it will just raise more questions. Could it be that they identified something linking CB to 5A, prior to the night when Madeleine disappeared? Or, that he was receiving MM on the outside of 5A?

I wouldn't insist on the possibilities of the abduction, because there might be, as GA said, no evidence that places CB in 5A.

In the new documentary i wrote about earlier, Feldhaus asked HCW of what crime he accuses CB.



Quote: "We accuse CB of having murdered MM in PDL in 2007".

Not more, not less!

So it doesn't really matter if CB has been in 5A or how the little girl left the apartment, as long as they can prove the killing itself.

So if they can't put CB into 5A it would possibly be enough to put him into PDL the night, what points out to the phone mast ping. The verdict of the killing must be based on other evidence IMO.

There might be no concrete evidence that puts CB in 5A between 9.15pm and 10.00 pm and no concrete evidence that a recognizable CB killed her on screen or a body that has been found. But there must be something else and that must go far beyond a testimony of another crooked guy. No judge in germany would allow a public inquiry just based on simple hearsay!!!

That's why there are still parts of the jigsaw missing, that have to be put togehter, not to allow FF a job that will be too simple!

All i wrote is just a simple case of deductive logic....

 

[Betty_Boop88]

That's an interesting point. (Strategic trials) @JB1510

HCW said there were 'similarities'.

@SuperdadV8 IF CB is prosecuted for the rape of HB can HCW (in German law) refer back to the rape of DM, ( or CB previous conviction) during a trial?
I mean, compare CB's modus operandi in the case of DM to that of HB? (Point of entry, mask wearing, tights, sadistic beating's, access through appt window etc?)

We did wonder whether HCW did have CB ( disguised) and MM together, perhaps the torture, which is similar, has been filmed, like CB said on the Skype Chat?

Then if CB is prosecuted for MM would HCW be able to present those similarities (MO) in Court? DM - HB, during CB's trial for MM?

Quote: "We accuse CB of having murdered MM in PDL in 2007".

Not more, not less!

So it doesn't really matter if CB has been in 5A or how the little girl left the apartment, as long as they can prove the killing itself.

So if they can't put CB into 5A it would possibly be enough to put him into PDL the night, what points out to the phone mast ping. The verdict of the killing must be based on other evidence IMO.

There might be no concrete evidence that puts CB in 5A between 9.15pm and 10.00 pm and no concrete evidence that a recognizable CB killed her on screen or a body that has been found. But there must be something else and that must go far beyond a testimony of another crooked guy. No judge in germany would allow a public inquiry just based on simple hearsay!!!

That's why there are still parts of the jigsaw missing, that have to be put togehter, not to allow FF a job that will be too simple!

All i wrote is just a simple case of deductive logic....

IMO, these posts will be highly significant in the end.

ETA - @SuperdadV8 I like your lava lamp

 

[C.greek]

I was reading the horrible story of the murder of 7 year old Danielle van dam in the US, by a neighbour who abducted her at night from her bedroom.

A witness stated that the side door was left open and "the prosecutor Jeff Dusek theorized that Westerfield might have entered this way; he emphasized, however, that the prosecution did not have the burden to demonstrate how the kidnapping was done, only that it was done."
And ETA that no forensics at all of the murderer were found in the house from where Danielle was abducted.

Moreover, in other cases of children murdered by a stranger, that stranger was most often than not a convicted pedophile or at least after they investigated them they found images of child abuse on their computers. So CB should have been looked at way more closely in the first days after MM's disappearance. It is not an excuse they they knocked on his door and he was not there!! They should have fully investigated all known pedophiles in the vicinity the days after MM was gone. Now 10-15 years after the crime there will be no forensics from the crime scene...be that CB's or whoever else's van, jaguar, home.

 

[SuperdadV8]

IMO, these posts will be highly significant in the end.

ETA - @SuperdadV8 I like your lava lamp

Thanks Betty! Once for the reminder, not to have reacted onto Ted's question yet, twice for the compliment on the lava lamp.

ETA: It is mine and it stays mine!

 

[SuperdadV8]

@tedtink

Sorry for the late response!

Of course, a similar modus operandi is a strong verdict for a court. And i mentioned a possible modus operandi as a key to solve this case pretty early. Until today, we have a single case (DM) with a special modus operandi linked to CB.

IF the prosecutors could link CB to the HB rape with a legally binding sentence, it should be kind of "easy" to convince the court, that possible evidence in the MM case with the same modus operandi points out to CB as the most likely perp!

But not just if there might be existing footage, even if there are a few confessions of CB made to witnesses over the years, of having done the same with MM.

The fact is, that CB seemed to be somebody that liked to put his deeds on tape. So IF he raped and tortured DM and HB with a same modus operandi, there should be some footage of both crimes. I personally believe (not more, not less!) that he sold it on the darkweb and the web doesn't forget anything.

IF i'm right and CB did the same to children like MM, there must be footage of it somewhere around the virtual world, or somewhere dug up in shabby places.

JMO

ETA: And the virtual world has been dug up in the last 3 - 4 years with thoroughness, but that huge amount of data needs years (!) to be inspected IMO.

 

[C.greek]

@tedtink

Sorry for the late response!

Of course, a similar modus operandi is a strong verdict for a court. And i mentioned a possible modus operandi as a key to solve this case pretty early. Until today, we have a single case (DM) with a special modus operandi linked to CB.

IF the prosecutors could link CB to the HB rape with a legally binding sentence, it should be kind of "easy" to convince the court, that possible evidence in the MM case with the same modus operandi points out to CB as the most likely perp!

But not just if there might be existing footage, even if there are a few confessions of CB made to witnesses over the years, of having done the same with MM.

The fact is, that CB seemed to be somebody that liked to put his deeds on tape. So IF he raped and tortured DM and HB with a same modus operandi, there should be some footage of both crimes. I personally believe (not more, not less!) that he sold it on the darkweb and the web doesn't forget anything.

IF i'm right and CB did the same to children like MM, there must be footage of it somewhere around the virtual world, or somewhere dug up in shabby places.

JMO

If you are right, then the prosecutors are taking one crime at a time in order to lead to the finale. Their MO which appears then is very methodical.

 

[SuperdadV8]

If you are right, then the prosecutors are taking one crime at a time in order to lead to the finale. Their MO which appears then is very methodical.

Right! Everything else would be pretty dumb and make no sense at all.

 

[Trivento]

Something I’ve been intrigued with, is Mr Wolters’ reply to this question. Paraphrased. Are they able to place CB inside 5A when Madeleine went missing. Wolters’ reply was that he’s not going to comment on that because it will just raise more questions. Could it be that they identified something linking CB to 5A, prior to the night when Madeleine disappeared? Or, that he was receiving MM on the outside of 5A?

This has made me think of something…

As is mentioned in this video link there were burglaries at same block shortly before MM disappearance.
One was appartment directly above 5A ( a week before )...so if someone climbed up there ….they would possibly have had to touch some of structure of 5A somewhere..
If they didn’t have gloves on , although that seems unlikely …..could have left prints below on 5A…perhaps prints that have been logged after MM taken..?
And if that climbing burglar was CB…?…

Of course this wouldn’t change the scenario that still possible and indeed likely ( imo ) that CB also involved in events of the 3rd May…

 

[SuperdadV8]

This has made me think of something…

As is mentioned in this video link there were burglaries at same block shortly before MM disappearance.
One was appartment directly above 5A ..so if someone climbed up there ….they would possibly have had to touch some of structure of 5A somewhere..
If they didn’t have gloves on , although seems unlikely , could have left prints below on 5A…
And if that climbing burglar was CB…?…

Of course!

IF CB snatched MM, he must have known that she has been in 5A.

Hard to think he moved back to germany because of a burglary.

Moving to germany because of a bigger crime makes much more sense. CB did that more than once (changing countries after crimes that lead to a sentence that has to be served in prison) according to all of the existing reports!

And in 2007 he moved for the first time, before there has been any trial or arrest warrant!

 

[C.greek]

Hard to think he moved back to germany because of a burglary.
Moving to germany because of a bigger crime makes much more sense. CB did that more than once (changing countries after crimes that lead to a sentence that has to be served in prison) according to all of the existing reports!

And in 2007 he moved for the first time, before there has been any trial or arrest warrant!

Are we certain he moved back to Germany himself after MM's disappearance? We know he deregistered the jaguar but him moving to Germany comes from witness statements?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Are we certain he moved back to Germany himself after MM's disappearance? We know he deregistered the jaguar but him moving to Germany comes from witness statements?

Maddie suspect told of 'horrible job to do in Praia' night before toddler vanished

After leaving PDL he seemed to have turned up in Augsburg, according to Alexander B..

 

[tedtink]

It's been reported that CB was the person who found LW in the summer of 2007. (Local to PDL)

I don't know how accurate the link below is, it was also posted on the thread in 2020. Dresden is mentioned too.

'His movements in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance had been a mystery, with some suggestions that he had returned to Germany.

But it is now clear as police descended on the town of Praia da Luz, Brueckner decamped and drove his VW camper van to a remote village surrounded by farmland some 60 kilometres away.'


Could the village/farm be the one that JC talked about in his book?

JMO



Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'terrified' villagers

 

[RichardKimble]

A body that is...

And on this topic i found this wiki article intersting List of murder convictions without a body - Wikipedia

It appears in such no-body cases, circumstantial evidence is used in trial. It is just a matter of collecting the most possible..imo

The list is short in Germany, one of them even being a miscarriage, they just don't do them.