Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #28

[JB1510]

Madeleine McCann: Friends speak out on suspect Christian B 'Unimaginable'

 

[C.greek]

It could be that 100 files have were "connected" to him from 'other' paedo's computers (raids) or that were connected to him on the DW.

ETA............

"Investigators found child pornographic material on numerous seized USB sticks. About 100 files are said to come from the suspect himself. However, it is not known whether there is also a reference to the missing Maddie McCann on the memory cards. Christian B. denies the crime. theformer chief investigator, on the other hand, again made bad allegations *"

Maddie McCann: Christian B. im Fokus der Ermittler – schlimme Chatverläufe aufgetaucht

JMO

The mention of 'chat logs'confused me...

 

[Dlk79]

Further on this caveat contradicts the headline.

A spokesperson for the Public Prosecutor’s Office in Braunschweig said: "It is correct that we hope to solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. It remains to be seen whether we will be able to do this. The investigations are currently ongoing.

The wording of the comment sounds like it's a response to a direct question put to the BKA by the Press. Probably about whether it's true they are about to charge CB.

In fairness, "IF" the rumours are true, a random BKA spokesman isn't going to give anything away in that manner, or provide any fuel to that fire by giving an evasive statement. They just give a "nothing" statement, telling us the same thing they have for the last 20 months.

If and when charges are raised, they will communicate it through official channels, not in response to a hack question.

 

[tedtink]

"A number of potential links have since arisen - including an alleged conversation about Madeleine in a chatroom before police began honing in on him in 2013.
It is not clear if it is the same chat as the one where he divulged his kidnapping fantasies."
Maddie suspect's disturbing chat history exposes his paedophile fantasies



We did wonder about the 'mm' reference in the skype chat.
I wonder if Panikspatz was tracked down and is a key witness who is being kept under wraps?

JMO

 

[C.greek]

"A number of potential links have since arisen - including an alleged conversation about Madeleine in a chatroom before police began honing in on him in 2013.
It is not clear if it is the same chat as the one where he divulged his kidnapping fantasies."
Maddie suspect's disturbing chat history exposes his paedophile fantasies



We did wonder about the 'mm' reference in the skype chat.
I wonder if Panikspatz was tracked down and is a key witness who is being kept under wraps?

JMO

It could be possible that panikspatz is the one who gave the initial tip about CB? their chat is supposed to have taken place in sept 2013. When was the summoning?

 

[C.greek]

Is it accurate that Rtl News reported that charges are immiment? If so, how trustworthy is RTL and the media in Germany?

Today (Thursday), German news channel RTL reports that German prosecutors are preparing to bring charges against the incarcerated man.

It claimed: “The public prosecutor's office is sure that they know the real perpetrator and is about to press charges: It should be Christian B.”

However, the path to conviction may not be a simple one.

Madeleine McCann breakthrough looms: 'Charges' on cards as police issue new update on case

 

[tedtink]

It could be possible that panikspatz is the one who gave the initial tip about CB? their chat is supposed to have taken place in sept 2013. When was the summoning?

2013

 

[Dlk79]

It could be possible that panikspatz is the one who gave the initial tip about CB? their chat is supposed to have taken place in sept 2013. When was the summoning?

The TV appeal took place in October 2013. According to JC's book, he claims 'several' callers put forward CB's name. He then mentions one 'key' witness in particular who gave reasons of why he thought CB might be involved. This person was said to be a "former friend" who worked for a swimming pool company near PDL back in 2007.

The summons CB was handed was dated 4th November 2013 and it ordered him to attend the police station on November 6th for questioning in relation to the MM case, where he would be expected to provide an exact account of his "timings and movements" for the entire month of May 2007.

Later in the book HCW confirms to JC that CB did attend the interview, answered their questions and did not seem suspicious at the time. Presumably therefore, CB has already given police an account of where he claims to have been throughout May 2007.

 

[mrjitty]

The wording of the comment sounds like it's a response to a direct question put to the BKA by the Press. Probably about whether it's true they are about to charge CB.

In fairness, "IF" the rumours are true, a random BKA spokesman isn't going to give anything away in that manner, or provide any fuel to that fire by giving an evasive statement. They just give a "nothing" statement, telling us the same thing they have for the last 20 months.

If and when charges are raised, they will communicate it through official channels, not in response to a hack question.

This is actually much more the type of statement I would expect them to make.

 

[Dlk79]

From Jon Clarke's book, for anyone interested:

p298 to p300

The appeal had a similar response in Germany with the McCanns’ televised appeal resulting in 500 tip offs with some intriguing names being thrown into the ring. Among those was Brueckner, who had apparently been fingered by ‘several’ of the callers, one of whom claiming that in 2007 he had been working for a swimming pool company based near Praia da Luz.

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The letter, which I have a copy of, was addressed to his kiosk, at 33 Altstadtring, a busy ring road that runs around central Braunschweig. Dated November 4, 2013, it was headed ‘Summons as a witness’. I assume it must have been delivered by hand, as the date he was ordered to appear at the city’s police headquarters was just two days later on Wednesday, November 6, at 1pm. Addressing him as ‘Herr Christian Stefan Brueckner’, it announced that the investigation concerned ‘Events relating to the crime scene of missing Madeleine McCann (in Portugal)’, adding ‘Need for preliminary investigation of Christian. B. Request sent November 1, 2013.’ It said that he would be required to give his exact movements and timings ‘from midnight on May 1, 2007 until midnight on May 31, 2007’. He would need to advise them if he was unable to attend.

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According to Bjorn R, a friend of Brueckner’s at the time, he found the letter hilarious. He told the Mirror that Brueckner mocked detectives about interviewing him and bragged that they had ‘zero evidence’ on his links to the Maddie case. ‘He laughed about the summons,’ Bjorn told journalist Patrick Hill. ‘He was just waving this piece of paper about. It was like a little trophy to him. After a couple of weeks we started winding him up about it saying, “Maddie’s downstairs in the cellar. Come on Christian get Maddie out of the cellar.” He’d smirk and laugh and then say, “Leave me alone, leave me alone. Just because I was in Portugal for 12 years, they send me this. Just because I was living there at the time and also in that timeframe I was close by. Just because I was living out of a van.” ‘He kept going on about it and waving the paper around saying, “I have nothing to do with this, they are trying to get me.” It was like he had rehearsed what he was saying. He said that he went to answer the summons and he told police that he had nothing to do with it. I asked him, “But why say that as you’re only a witness?” He just said, “Let’s have a party!” ‘He told me, “They asked me a load of questions and I answered them.” Then he said: “They’ve got nothing on me. They can’t get me.”

P.404 to p405

He also admitted that the first tip on Brueckner had come into the BKA police department in 2013 and, in retrospect, it could have been handled better. ‘I only know it was a tip off from the UK without any details,’ explained Wolters. ‘There was no concrete reason or suspicion. No-one said how he might be involved. It was just; “take a look at Christian B.” So, the British police didn’t know anything. They just thought, “What is this? Who is this?” In Germany there was no investigation at the time into Christian B and because the BKA didn’t know Christian B, they gave it to the Braunschweig Police department, and they then spoke with him as a witness and they only asked him a few questions. And basically he answered the questions and did not seem suspicious, so they sent the information to the BKA, and the BKA sent this to the British police. And then nothing happened.’ When pressed on why they hadn’t done a bit of probing first, cross-checking with his previous record, other federal regions of Germany or other European countries, he skirted around it. ‘Look, we had no concrete evidence, nothing to go on, so we had to approach him in a very open way and write to him to tell him what it was about,’ he said. ‘And he insisted he had nothing to do with the crime and so that was that, done and dusted. Because one couldn’t hold anything against him. One could not confront him with any findings. ‘Looking at it today, with hindsight yes it was unfortunate, but at the time we didn’t have any knowledge.’

 

[mrjitty]

@SuperdadV8

Do you have the original RTL link for the prosecutor spokesperson statement? If this was on TV, it could be hard to find. I wonder if the express has recycled it

 

[mrjitty]

From Jon Clarke's book, for anyone interested:

p298 to p300

The appeal had a similar response in Germany with the McCanns’ televised appeal resulting in 500 tip offs with some intriguing names being thrown into the ring. Among those was Brueckner, who had apparently been fingered by ‘several’ of the callers, one of whom claiming that in 2007 he had been working for a swimming pool company based near Praia da Luz.

....

The letter, which I have a copy of, was addressed to his kiosk, at 33 Altstadtring, a busy ring road that runs around central Braunschweig. Dated November 4, 2013, it was headed ‘Summons as a witness’. I assume it must have been delivered by hand, as the date he was ordered to appear at the city’s police headquarters was just two days later on Wednesday, November 6, at 1pm. Addressing him as ‘Herr Christian Stefan Brueckner’, it announced that the investigation concerned ‘Events relating to the crime scene of missing Madeleine McCann (in Portugal)’, adding ‘Need for preliminary investigation of Christian. B. Request sent November 1, 2013.’ It said that he would be required to give his exact movements and timings ‘from midnight on May 1, 2007 until midnight on May 31, 2007’. He would need to advise them if he was unable to attend.

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According to Bjorn R, a friend of Brueckner’s at the time, he found the letter hilarious. He told the Mirror that Brueckner mocked detectives about interviewing him and bragged that they had ‘zero evidence’ on his links to the Maddie case. ‘He laughed about the summons,’ Bjorn told journalist Patrick Hill. ‘He was just waving this piece of paper about. It was like a little trophy to him. After a couple of weeks we started winding him up about it saying, “Maddie’s downstairs in the cellar. Come on Christian get Maddie out of the cellar.” He’d smirk and laugh and then say, “Leave me alone, leave me alone. Just because I was in Portugal for 12 years, they send me this. Just because I was living there at the time and also in that timeframe I was close by. Just because I was living out of a van.” ‘He kept going on about it and waving the paper around saying, “I have nothing to do with this, they are trying to get me.” It was like he had rehearsed what he was saying. He said that he went to answer the summons and he told police that he had nothing to do with it. I asked him, “But why say that as you’re only a witness?” He just said, “Let’s have a party!” ‘He told me, “They asked me a load of questions and I answered them.” Then he said: “They’ve got nothing on me. They can’t get me.”

P.404 to p404

He also admitted that the first tip on Brueckner had come into the BKA police department in 2013 and, in retrospect, it could have been handled better. ‘I only know it was a tip off from the UK without any details,’ explained Wolters. ‘There was no concrete reason or suspicion. No-one said how he might be involved. It was just; “take a look at Christian B.” So, the British police didn’t know anything. They just thought, “What is this? Who is this?” In Germany there was no investigation at the time into Christian B and because the BKA didn’t know Christian B, they gave it to the Braunschweig Police department, and they then spoke with him as a witness and they only asked him a few questions. And basically he answered the questions and did not seem suspicious, so they sent the information to the BKA, and the BKA sent this to the British police. And then nothing happened.’ When pressed on why they hadn’t done a bit of probing first, cross-checking with his previous record, other federal regions of Germany or other European countries, he skirted around it. ‘Look, we had no concrete evidence, nothing to go on, so we had to approach him in a very open way and write to him to tell him what it was about,’ he said. ‘And he insisted he had nothing to do with the crime and so that was that, done and dusted. Because one couldn’t hold anything against him. One could not confront him with any findings. ‘Looking at it today, with hindsight yes it was unfortunate, but at the time we didn’t have any knowledge.’

One thing this case shows, is how difficult it is for police to operate across borders.

It's all very well for the Met to say “take a look at Christian B.” but for locals cops unfamiliar with the case, what shall they look for or ask? And in terms of "looking in to his background" what police department has resource to do this kind of work unless they have a big open file?

If you can open a murder investigation, then sure you have resource.

 

[SuperdadV8]

@SuperdadV8

Do you have the original RTL link for the prosecutor spokesperson statement? If this was on TV, it could be hard to find. I wonder if the express has recycled it

What statement do you mean in particular Jitty?

 

[mrjitty]

What statement do you mean in particular Jitty?

According to The Express, supposedly RTL reported this quote. But we aren't sure if it is a new quote or an old one.

A spokesperson for the Public Prosecutor’s Office in Braunschweig said: "It is correct that we hope to solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. It remains to be seen whether we will be able to do this. The investigations are currently ongoing.

"Whether this will lead to an indictment, I cannot say today. At the moment Christian B. is our only suspect.

"The German police in the form of the BKA is doing an excellent job in the investigation."

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to The Express, supposedly RTL reported this quote. But we aren't sure if it is a new quote or an old one.

Sounds like a very old statement from HCW from around autumn 2020. There is no new statement from HCW known to me. I will take a look, maybe i'll find it!

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to The Express, supposedly RTL reported this quote. But we aren't sure if it is a new quote or an old one.

It must be a kind of "mashup" from quotes from the past, because i can't find an article, that contains both aspects.

But:

HCW quoted from the beginning that at the end of the investigation they are going to put everything they have on the table and will decide, wether they will charge CB, or not. He did it in the latest documentary again.

The statement according to the good work of the BKA is known to me as well, but i'm not able to fathom if CB made it as an reaction to the the portugese claims that the german prosecutors have nothing in their hands, or to CB's second drawing regarding the "clairvoyant in the courtroom" situation. I'm not sure.

But i also forgot to mention another info from the latest documentary. CB contacted a local newspaper much earlier. In the DM rape trial, he wrote letters to a local newspaper from Brausnchweig, claiming his innocence. That earlier attempt of media manipulation was new to me!

So HCW could use the media a a kind of strategy, just being better than CB in this game.

 

[C.greek]

@SuperdadV8

Do you have the original RTL link for the prosecutor spokesperson statement? If this was on TV, it could be hard to find. I wonder if the express has recycled it

I checked the german allmystery forum and they have been saying that they heard it on RTL news! Not directly by the BKA nor in a press article but that they did hear this statement...

 

[SuperdadV8]

I checked the german allmystery forum and they have been saying that they heard it on RTL news! Not directly by the BKA nor in a press article but that they did hear this statement...

Please be careful with that forum. Not comparable with this forum, regarding to the content that is allowed to be posted, and that's not. It's like facebook for "investigators".

 

[C.greek]

Please be careful with that forum. Not comparable with this forum, regarding to the content that is allowed to be posted, and that's not. It's like facebook for "investigators".

I know, agreed. No sources or anything... but some members do insist they heard it on the news. Is there any way to check that though? It could be important imo

 

[SuperdadV8]

I know, agreed. No sources or anything... but some members do insist they heard it on the news. Is there any way to check that though? It could be important imo

Again, please do not give anything about the things, that have been posted in this forum! Just gossip there. I had to beg for being deleted sooner than in the 14 days deadline...