Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #29

[sandy_80]

many many cases has a main POI without them being charged..in many cases he can be never publicly identified and it ends this way ..
its very important to note.. that in this case you have no body.. no crime scene.. no dna ..so how are you going to incriminate anyone ?
a witness ? no witness had witnessed anything substantial..
a confession ? unless it contains something that couldn't be known except by the criminal..can it be reliable ?
this leaves an audio or video evidence of sorts .
or something that belonged to the victim in his custody
.that's all i can think off

 

[Dlk79]

MWT saying the MM doc airing dates in the UK will be announced soon.

 

[RichardKimble]

Entertains me how people are rubbishing this alibi without having any idea of what it is, other than what the tabloids report.

Gets me also why Wolters responds to the press about a lack of alibi, why not ask CB himself .

 

[Davieson]

Gets me also why Wolters responds to the press about a lack of alibi, why not ask CB himself .

Does he only get one shot at questioning Brueckner, after which he has to charge or 'release'

 

[tedtink]

DBM

 

[tedtink]

Gets me also why Wolters responds to the press about a lack of alibi, why not ask CB himself .

Does he only get one shot at questioning Brueckner, after which he has to charge or 'release'

Are these questions or statements old chap?

 

[RichardKimble]

Does he only get one shot at questioning Brueckner, after which he has to charge or 'release'

According to press reports he has beeen posed a couple of questions, so who know's.

 

[Davieson]

Are these questions or statements old chap?

A question. Sorry I missed the question mark.

 

[Anxala]

That could put the cat among the pigeons. So many have decided he has no alibi.

For me, it's not about whether or not CB has an alibi and/or whether or not it stacks up.

He may well have one, if not more, and they may well cause the ripple you suggest. We can't know either way until we know the nature of these alleged alibis and the credibility of those who've provided them.

It's way more to do with my personal inability to engage with MWT's ego and the self-serving nature of pretty much everything he does and his unwillingness to commit to this alibi 'shocker' while still using it as the primary selling point of his 'much awaited' shocker.

 

[Dlk79]

MWT announced the broadcast date of the MM doc. 11th May at 9pm.

 

[Trivento]

MWT announced the broadcast date of the MM doc. 11th May at 9pm.

The day before her birthday ... doesn't seem like tactful timing..

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Prosecutor HCW said: “If I had an alibi and was accused of this, I would say it. But I have heard no such claims from Brueckner or his lawyer.”

He is wrong. First, there are no formal charges. Second, the burden of proof is on HCW/BKA.

That is why I think they have nothing more than a profile and a alleged phone call.

 

[Dlk79]

He is wrong. First, there are no formal charges. Second, the burden of proof is on HCW/BKA.

That is why I think they have nothing more than a profile and a alleged phone call.

In what way is he "wrong"? He is just stating his opinion of what he would do if he were in the same situation as CB. If the BKA publicly accused you of MM's murder and you had an alibi to disprove it, you'd say nothing would you and wait to see if they charged?

As for believing the BKA have nothing but the phone call and a profile... I think that's naive. Can you rationalise how you come to that conclusion with regard to the following I provided last time you posed this as a possibility? -

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #28

 

[SuperdadV8]

"....While the clarification in the Maddie case remains open, the suspect should soon come into focus again because of other allegations. In addition to the murder investigation, Christian B. is being investigated for other sexual offenses, said Braunschweig public prosecutor Wolters. It is about two abuse cases and three rape allegations. According to Wolters, these investigations should be completed soon. Prosecutors are expected to provide information on this in May....."

Die Hoffnung bleibt - 15 Jahre nach Maddies Verschwinden

So, we do have two abuse cases. Maybe the known beach- and playground attacks on children.

But three rape cases? One should be Hazel B., but what about the other two cases? Could it be, that they are referring to the ominous HB and MS video testimonies?

 

[mrjitty]

In what way is he "wrong"? He is just stating his opinion of what he would do if he were in the same situation as CB. If the BKA publicly accused you of MM's murder and you had an alibi to disprove it, you'd say nothing would you and wait to see if they charged?

RSBM

Your top criminal lawyer would advise you to do exactly that.

e.g. if your alibi depends on other people who are lying or misremembering, that could be crucial information to have. HCW is being disingenuous to say that someone who is accused publicly, should disclose key details of their defence, while the state keeps its evidence secret.

I'd actually do what FF attempted. Get aspects of the alibi out there, without saying anything can be used by the state against me.

 

[mrjitty]

He is wrong. First, there are no formal charges. Second, the burden of proof is on HCW/BKA.

That is why I think they have nothing more than a profile and a alleged phone call.

They have the "confession" or "confessions", and they can maybe also prove he had done burglaries at OC, or at least at other resorts in the area.

I suspect that is pretty much their entire case.

 

[mrjitty]

RSBM

I don't know whether you listened to Jon Clarke’s recent podcast but he made an interesting point about the possible motive for pursuing the other charges first.

He mentioned that the HB rape would classify as a category one offence, and that due to his offending history, if he were found guilty of that one, he would most likely receive a preventetive detention order on the basis of posing a serious danger to the public. It would then mean that the chances of him ever being released from prison would be very low. "If" that were to happen, and if CB "was" involved in MM's disappearance, might he then be prepared to confess to it?

In the letters CB wrote to Jutta Rabe, he claims the police have already spoken to him in prison and effectively offered him a deal. Basically that if he told them everything (including what happened to MM's body), they would place him in this special prison for high profile offenders where he would be protected and receive a higher standard of care.

I'm not necessarily saying I concur with that theory, but I can certainly see the logic behind it. At the moment, CB's motivation is to get released from prison as soon as possible. If the option of ever being released is all but removed from him, what is his motivation then? To lead as cushy a prison life as he possibly can? To revel in the notoriety of being one of world's most famous villains?

I agree that obtaining the body is top priority for the investigators in any murder case. So if CB made a full confession and could also lead them to the remains, that would be the ideal scenario for all concerned IMO.

This argument makes a lot of sense to me. You go with the cases you think you can prove, even as proxies for other stuff you know he did. Key point is to get him banged up for as long as possible.

There is also another reason why getting a conviction in the HB rape might assist their evidence in the MM case which I've mentioned before - The autobiographical books the BKA allegedly uncovered. "If" the books do exist, and CB really has documented the sinister crimes he carried out, then you'd think it likely these cases will be mentioned in there if he was indeed involved in them - The HB rape in 2004, DM in 2005 and MM in 2007.

I guess its possible but sounds pretty complicated.

 

[Dlk79]

"....While the clarification in the Maddie case remains open, the suspect should soon come into focus again because of other allegations. In addition to the murder investigation, Christian B. is being investigated for other sexual offenses, said Braunschweig public prosecutor Wolters. It is about two abuse cases and three rape allegations. According to Wolters, these investigations should be completed soon. Prosecutors are expected to provide information on this in May....."

Die Hoffnung bleibt - 15 Jahre nach Maddies Verschwinden

So, we do have two abuse cases. Maybe the known beach- and playground attacks on children.

But three rape cases? One should be Hazel B., but what about the other two cases? Could it be, that they are referring to the ominous HB and MS video testimonies?

Yes, it's the rapes seen on video by MS and HB. It was mentioned by HCW in the following Mail article and in some German outlets.

Madeleine McCann's parents 'welcome' news German rapist Christian Brueckner has 'arguido' status | Daily Mail Online

Christian Brueckner is also under investigation for two further rapes carried out in Portugal close to where she vanished.

Hans-Christian Wolters, from the Brunswick prosecutor’s office in Germany, revealed that Bruekner faces investigation over the cases.

Wolters, from the Brunswick prosecutor’s office in Germany, said: ’We haven’t spoken in depth about the other two cases, but I confirm we are looking into them.

‘These are two further rape cases and are in addition to the sexual assault on a little girl at the beach and the case of Hazel Behan.

‘These two rape cases are from evidence provided at Brueckner’s trial in 2019 from two witnesses who said they found footage on a video camera of him attacking these two women.

‘We have not been able to identify either of the victims.

‘We actually hope to have these cases all closed within the next few weeks and then it will be possible to consider charges for these'


In another of the articles, HCW said there will be an update/announcement at the end of May about the progress of these 5 potential charges.

The additional 2 charges are significant IMO and it hasn't really been mentioned before. Despite the victims not having been identified by BKA, HCW stil appears optimistic they can close these cases in the next couple of weeks and possibly raise charges for them. I cannot see how they could possibly hope for a conviction on those charges if the only evidence they have is the testimony of HB and MS seeing the video. They must have something else to support those cases.

That's why I think that CB has documented these crimes in his books and a big part of what the BKA are doing here is getting a court to agree that these writings are factual confessions. If they can do that, it masively supports their MM case if there are writings about her too.

 

[Davieson]

That'll be interesting, unidentified, women , so no forensics and non-existent videos.

 

[tedtink]

Yes, it's the rapes seen on video by MS and HB. It was mentioned by HCW in the following Mail article and in some German outlets.

Madeleine McCann's parents 'welcome' news German rapist Christian Brueckner has 'arguido' status | Daily Mail Online

Christian Brueckner is also under investigation for two further rapes carried out in Portugal close to where she vanished.

Hans-Christian Wolters, from the Brunswick prosecutor’s office in Germany, revealed that Bruekner faces investigation over the cases.

Wolters, from the Brunswick prosecutor’s office in Germany, said: ’We haven’t spoken in depth about the other two cases, but I confirm we are looking into them.

‘These are two further rape cases and are in addition to the sexual assault on a little girl at the beach and the case of Hazel Behan.

‘These two rape cases are from evidence provided at Brueckner’s trial in 2019 from two witnesses who said they found footage on a video camera of him attacking these two women.

‘We have not been able to identify either of the victims.

‘We actually hope to have these cases all closed within the next few weeks and then it will be possible to consider charges for these'


In another of the articles, HCW said there will be an update/announcement at the end of May about the progress of these 5 potential charges.

The additional 2 charges are significant IMO and it hasn't really been mentioned before. Despite the victims not having been identified by BKA, HCW stil appears optimistic they can close these cases in the next couple of weeks and possibly raise charges for them. I cannot see how they could possibly hope for a conviction on those charges if the only evidence they have is the testimony of HB and MS seeing the video. They must have something else to support those cases.

That's why I think that CB has documented these crimes in his books and a big part of what the BKA are doing here is getting a court to agree that these writings are factual confessions. If they can do that, it masively supports their MM case if there are writings about her too.

I also wonder if CB documented DM’s rape and if ‘das buch’ 1 or 2 was part of the evidence in that case too?
If so, maybe it has already been accepted by the court as a confession and this is why HCW feels he can press ahead with the other rapes.
HCW has never mentioned ‘das buch’ and IIRC it was GA that blabbed about it around about the same time he was negatively commenting on the DM rape.

jmo