Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #29

[tedtink]

This is a major problem with all the media.
They can and do put out all sorts of guff and people lap it up and accept it as the truth without further scrutiny.

Yeah, they did the same with the MC'C's remember? But this time we have hoards of folk online seemingly prepared to defend a convicted rapist and child molester - funny that.

 

[sandy_80]

This is a major problem with all the media.
They can and do put out all sorts of guff and people lap it up and accept it as the truth without further scrutiny.

that's pretty much the norm now and not just in true crime
its this mad SM craze where everybody is leaching on whatever gets the short attention span crowd
i was on another crime in another site where the person was announcing this case is solved now ..cause of the headlines .. but to be fair its much worse in other cases recently .. at least you have something going on.. in other cases .. any random sleuth or podcast can put out something and its news line

 

[Carly@lul]

Yeah, they did the same with the MC'C's remember? But this time we have hoards of folk online seemingly prepared to defend a convicted rapist and child molester - funny that.

This is spot on. People believe anything as long as it fits there narrative.

 

[Anxala]

I agree the issue is the tabloids, but that was what I was afraid of way back in '20 when this first broke. Now we have entire documentaries, sofa chat shows, podcasts etc devoted to guilt or otherwise of someone not even charged with any crime. History repeats itself in this case.

Anyway - see you in 5 years

Well, without wanting to be unsympathetic to HCW, the tabloids took their lead from him. He's the one who set the press-friendly tone in the way he made his findings public back in June 2020. Perhaps if he'd been a little less 'open', and a little more circumspect, he wouldn't now feel (if he does?) that he's at the mercy of a press that may turn on him if he goes all quiet and, dare I say it, professional.

I agree with you that he needs to stop talking and get doing and only talk when he's got something worth talking about instead of constantly feeling obliged to offer placating progress reports filled with 'maybes' and 'ifs' and 'buts'.

 

[Dlk79]

Rowley in 2017 said at the heart of this is a young child who has gone missing, Madeleine is way down on the media moral compass.

I don't think the media are the only ones who need to take a good hard look at their moral compass when it comes to CB and the MM case.

CB described himself as the world's most known bad person. At least he can console himself as also being the world's most supported violent rapist and paedophile. The actions of the anti McCann brigade to actively play down how vile an individual this man is, and to declare his innocence without even knowing what the police have on him, is quite appalling IMO.

 

[DrQ]

I've been following the thread discussion on the alleged/circumstantial mobile phone evidence. IMO there is still a lot of murky theories about the alleged crime and type of evidence. I have followed the case, like so many of us, but with CB announced as a suspect I am going to need more information. We have a suspect and multiple countries (IMHO because they share the Euro doesn't mean they agree or have the same judicial system). My guess is that CB is a starting point for suspects; and he may in fact be THE GUY. (fingers crossed) I am also hoping that (IMO) his mobile phone is not the ONLY evidence they have. I have no idea what the laws are for Germany, England, Portugal or if they are similar to USA in circumstantial evidence, burden of proof, reasonable doubt, Intent, or technological evidence. Now that I think of it....DNA laws...don't know. This is the long way of me saying IMO there is a lot more with this case to find out who, what, where, when, why, and how. Hopefully, the discussions continue.

 

[mrjitty]

Yeah, they did the same with the MC'C's remember? But this time we have hoards of folk online seemingly prepared to defend a convicted rapist and child molester - funny that.

It really seems the media learned nothing from that fiasco.

 

[Carly@lul]

I don't think the media are the only ones who need to take a good hard look at their moral compass when it comes to CB and the MM case.

CB described himself as the world's most known bad person. At least he can console himself as also being the world's most supported violent rapist and paedophile. The actions of the anti McCann brigade to actively play down how vile an individual this man is, and to declare his innocence without even knowing what the police have on him, is quite appalling IMO.

what we know is bad enough for everyone to see he’s vile and shouldn’t be living amongst civilised people, and even if he is innocent that’s a big if who cares he’s been named and shamed in the media because I certainly won’t.

 

[Ardoch]

I don't think the media are the only ones who need to take a good hard look at their moral compass when it comes to CB and the MM case.

CB described himself as the world's most known bad person. At least he can console himself as also being the world's most supported violent rapist and paedophile. The actions of the anti McCann brigade to actively play down how vile an individual this man is, and to declare his innocence without even knowing what the police have on him, is quite appalling IMO.

Spot on.
Hearing comments from people in the light of this news (regardless of his guilt or innocence) ignoring it and going straight to blaming others.

 

[RichardKimble]

Yeah, they did the same with the MC'C's remember? But this time we have hoards of folk online seemingly prepared to defend a convicted rapist and child molester - funny that.

He's been duly convicted of those and served and is serving a sentence, we've heard allegations unsubstantiated at that of being a murderer, does not the due process of law mean he is innocent of that with out even so much as being questioned about it ?

 

[katydid23]

He's been duly convicted of those and served and is serving a sentence, we've heard allegations unsubstantiated at that of being a murderer, does not the due process of law mean he is innocent of that with out even so much as being questioned about it ?

We know he is guilty of brutally raping an elderly woman, sexually assaulting children , dealing in child , and breaking into and burglarising dozens of apartments, etc.

So knowing all of that, I really have a hard time seeing him as an innocent victim, and I have no problem discussing him as a likely suspect in MM's tragic case.

Once someone has been living the life of violent sex offender, they might no longer be given the benefit of being 'assumed' innocent, in other similar crimes. People will automatically look at them as possible suspects until they can be cleared---and rightfully so. JMO

 

[Davieson]

We know he is guilty of brutally raping an elderly woman, sexually assaulting children , dealing in child , and breaking into and burglarising dozens of apartments, etc.

So knowing all of that, I really have a hard time seeing him as an innocent victim, and I have no problem discussing him as a likely suspect in MM's tragic case.

Once someone has been living the life of violent sex offender, they might no longer be given the benefit of being 'assumed' innocent, in other similar crimes. People will automatically look at them as possible suspects until they can be cleared---and rightfully so. JMO

Are any of these latter claims ( highlighted) anything than tabloid sensationalism ?
Has he been charged or convicted for such crimes ? I'm sure you can provide evidence for this, particularly the etc bits

 

[katydid23]

Are any of these latter claims ( highlighted) anything than tabloid sensationalism ?
Has he been charged or convicted for such crimes ? I'm sure you can provide evidence for this, particularly the etc bits

I don't have any msm links at hand, but I should be able to find some. I know that they found a load of child in his old property after his arrest. And it was well known by Portuguese authorities that he made a living burglarising resorts. That is one big reason he was being looked at in MM's case, in that he was known for casing these kinds of resorts and stealing from tourists.
The elderly woman he raped was actually a burglary victim, that he took the opportunity to assault.

But if you want to just stop at "he is guilty of brutally raping an elderly woman and sexually assaulting children" then my post still works just fine. I stand by it.

 

[Davieson]

I don't have any msm links at hand, but I should be able to find some. I know that they found a load of child in his old property after his arrest. And it was well known by Portuguese authorities that he made a living burglarising resorts. That is one big reason he was being looked at in MM's case, in that he was known for casing these kinds of resorts and stealing from tourists.
The elderly woman he raped was actually a burglary victim, that he took the opportunity to assault.

But if you want to just stop at "he is guilty of brutally raping an elderly woman and sexually assaulting children" then my post still works just fine. I stand by it.

Something other than tabloid would be useful, particularly statements attributed to known sources, such as police statements. Thank you.

 

[katydid23]

Something other than tabloid would be useful, particularly statements attributed to known sources, such as police statements. Thank you.

I certainly don't have a police statement. But I do know he has an extensive criminal background.
Here is a link for the child :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chilling-footage-madeleine-mccann-suspect-22269050

Chilling footage shows the 'secret lair' of the prime suspect in the disappearance and suspected murder of Madeleine McCann.

The dilapidated factory site in northern Germany was once owned by Christian Brueckner, the 43-year-old paedophile suspected of abducting and murdering Maddie 13 years ago.

It is where German police allegedly found USB sticks and hard drives with more than 8,000 child abuse images buried next to the remains of a dead dog, and girls' swimsuits inside a motorhome owned by the suspect.

 

[Davieson]

I certainly don't have a police statement. But I do know he has an extensive criminal background.
Here is a link for the child :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chilling-footage-madeleine-mccann-suspect-22269050

Chilling footage shows the 'secret lair' of the prime suspect in the disappearance and suspected murder of Madeleine McCann.

The dilapidated factory site in northern Germany was once owned by Christian Brueckner, the 43-year-old paedophile suspected of abducting and murdering Maddie 13 years ago.

It is where German police allegedly found USB sticks and hard drives with more than 8,000 child abuse images buried next to the remains of a dead dog, and girls' swimsuits inside a motorhome owned by the suspect.

Thank you.
The operative word being alleged. Nothing about dealing in .

 

[katydid23]

Thank you.
The operative word being alleged. Nothing about dealing in .

If they found "USB sticks and hard drives with more than 8,000 child abuse images" then I would say he was dealing in child . Otherwise how and why would he have so many images?

ETA:
But besides that, why are we even discussing how many of his sick crimes he is guilty of? Is it that much worse than brutally raping an elderly woman and sexually assaulting children?
Is there any big difference whether he also dealt in child as opposed to illegally having 8000 images of child abuse images?

Are you saying there is some redeeming quality if he wasn't dealing child even though he is GUILTY of the other vile charges?

 

[Dlk79]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-no1-suspect-swapped-26085855

The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case swapped child abuse images and depraved online messages with an undertaker.

The mortician gave “a full confession” when quizzed by German police and admitted he was a “regular customer” of convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner.

It is understood material he handed over to officers now forms part of evidence being used against Brueckner.

The undertaker, also a convicted sex offender, cannot be named for legal reasons – but he has spoken to the makers of a new documentary about the case, being shown tomorrow night on German TV channel Sat.1.

The film’s lead investigator Jutta Rabe told the Sunday People: “I’m not sure what he paid but he confirmed they regularly swapped material, all of which he has handed over to detectives.


Quick reminder of CB's convictions. Crimes he has actually been caught for and found guilty of in court:

04/05/1992 - Theft and driving without a licence (Court of Wurzburg)
09/11/1992 - Theft (Court of Wurzburg)
06/05/1993 - Theft and driving without a licence (Court of Wurzburg)
13/10/1994 - Child sexual abuse (Court of Wurzburg) - 2 counts - one of a 6yr old and one against a 9yr old.
27/12/2005 - Driving without insurance and violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Pforzheim)
26/10/2006 - Disobedience (Court of Lagos)
21/12/2006 - Diesel theft (Court of Portimao)
17/11/2010 - Falsification of documents (Court of Hannover)
06/10/2011 - Drug dealing/Trafficking (Court of Niebull)
28/01/2013 - Theft (Court of Hannover)
14/03/2013 - Violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Braunschweig)
15/07/2015 - Attempted theft (Court of Braunschweig)
16/02/2016 - Child sexual abuse and possession of child (Court of Braunschweig)
08/06/2016 - Drink driving, driving without insurance and falsification of documents (Court of Helmstedt)
27/02/2017 - Grevious Bodily Harm for an assualt on his then girlfriend. (Court of Braunschweig)
Dec 2019 - Rape of 72-year-old woman (Court of Braunschweig)

 

[tedtink]

He's been duly convicted of those and served and is serving a sentence, we've heard allegations unsubstantiated at that of being a murderer, does not the due process of law mean he is innocent of that with out even so much as being questioned about it ?

There’s a large cohort out there who think CB is some kind of patsy being fitted up for this case, who are relentlessly and explicitly pushing their agenda, others, as we’re well aware of, (easy to spot) are covertly doing the same and trolling across multiple Internet forums.
IMO even if CB is convicted of this crime, some will never accept it due to their relentless, irrational, deluded pursuit of the Mc’C’s.

jmo

 

[sandy_80]

rest assured .. pinning a case this HUGE on anyone is just not possible ..
even if he is the worst person alive